Allen to Vikings... "is close to being in place"

[Lurker64]

2 solo tackles one assist and half a sack.

Now he's getting paid about 1.5 million a year to play against us. I wonder if that's worth 4 solo tackles, 2 assists, and one sack?

[Rastak]

As long as the Kampman comparisons are coming up, how about Allen's ability against the run? Is he more like Kampman or KGB in that regards? Teams already know that they most likely won't get much from running up the middle. How does this affect the edge of the DL against the run?

From what I've read he isn't a liability so you can play him every down but I would guess not as good as Kampman against the run. I read he had improved but wasn't exactly a run stopper.

Assuming Allen plays RE for Minn they really don't need him to be a run-stopper, just as long as he's not a complete pushover a la KGB in early 2006. But who is Minn fielding at LE? The SN depth chart says Jayme Mitchell. Can that be right? Is Ray Edwards also in the running?

I heard on the radio that Edwards would move to the left side. Robison maybe splits time. Mitchell is an ok end for spelling someone but you don't want him out there too much. I do like the tandem of Edwards and Robison though. The Vikings DL should be pretty decent this year.

[RashanGary]

The Vikings are better. I don't see it being enough though. Their offense is predictable and stoppable. Their ST's are just OK from what I recall. Their defense might be the best in the NFC.

Allen is a top tier DE. I'd give up two 3rds and a 1st for him right now, but when you add the contract, I don't think it's worth it. The Vikings are taking a huge risk here. It probably won't pay off. Did they get in the same league as the Patriots, Colts, Chargers, Jaguars and Giants (the unstoppable ones that pounced Romo, Favre and Brady en route to the Championship)? I doubt it. TJack is not going to lead them to a SB.

So where does that leave the Vikings? NOT good enough in my opinion. The Patriots weren't good enough adding Moss, Stalworth and Adalius Thomas. The Vikings aren't going to be better than the Pats with TJack at QB and Allen and Barrian added. It's just not going to happen.

[b bulldog]

We are only talking NFC North Nick and Harv, I posted that I was wrong last season about Brett and in all honesty, I think even Brett knows he wouldn't duplicate last season and that was one of the reasons why he retired. brett's washed up and AJ is the best LB in football

[RashanGary]

We are only talking NFC North Nick and Harv, I posted that I was wrong last season about Brett and in all honesty, I think even Brett knows he wouldn't duplicate last season and that was one of the reasons why he retired. brett's washed up and AJ is the best LB in football

The Packers WILL take a step back at QB. Maybe it's a small step back if Rodgers is really good but maybe it's a huge step back if Rodgers doesn't have it. My guess is that it will be a significant step A QB play to C QB play. They should improve on the interior line through growth. They should improve at RB, FB, WR, LB, S. They should be about the same at OT and DL. I think they'll take a step back at CB. All in all, I think they get slightly better as a whole while getting worse at QB. The end result is about a 9 or 10 win team IMO.

I see the Bears getting better. They keep adding talent and not making any disasterous decisions to get worse.

The Lions are awfull.

The Vikings are probably the class of the NFC North. I don't think it sustainable for them, but for at least one year (maybe two), I think they are the favorites.



The Packers are in an average spot. They've got some good, young pieces but they have some big time needs. They need a better stable of DE's. They don't know what htey have at QB. They have aging CB's and OT's. They have some problems. Every team does, but they are pretty serious problems or growing serious problems. Thompson needs to keep piecing solid piece on solid piece and mixing in some Jennings and Grants as well. He needs to keep building one of the deepest teams in the league and eventually 20 good decisions in a row will lead to good things as a whole. I just don't believe champions are built in one off season. I think the Packers are on path, but they need to stay on it if they want to finish it off. The Vikings are taking the wrong approach in my opinion. I think we have better chances at a championship in the next 5 years than they do because I think the way we're building a base will allow us to finish it off when the time comes. I see the Vikings running out of ammo before they get over the top.

[falco]

i think maybe the vikings gave up too much, but I mean come on - who wasn't excited when they thought we might be getting Allen? He's definitely going to make them better.

[Fritz]

As I said in another thread, every year Minnesota wins the NFC North between February and August.

[mngolf19]

As long as the Kampman comparisons are coming up, how about Allen's ability against the run? Is he more like Kampman or KGB in that regards? Teams already know that they most likely won't get much from running up the middle. How does this affect the edge of the DL against the run?

From what I've read he isn't a liability so you can play him every down but I would guess not as good as Kampman against the run. I read he had improved but wasn't exactly a run stopper.

Assuming Allen plays RE for Minn they really don't need him to be a run-stopper, just as long as he's not a complete pushover a la KGB in early 2006. But who is Minn fielding at LE? The SN depth chart says Jayme Mitchell. Can that be right? Is Ray Edwards also in the running?

It will be Edwards with Robison backing up both End spots.

[b bulldog]

The Bears have taken a step back imo, a pretty big one at that. They have no RB, they have an old OL, they have no QB, they have lost their only deep threat to Minny and replaced him with Booker??, they have troubled and disgrunteled LB's, they have slary issues with their best DL and the best KR in the league and their S can never stay healthy.