Revolving door GM???

[woodbuck27]

I don't think it likely that Driver will play till he's 50.

Well your right.

Yet it was prudent that TT select a player with his top pick yesterday, that had a great chance to be productive where we had need for 2008 not two three years from now. More importantly not where we are strongest based on position analysis. ie last season @ DL specifically DT, and this season WR. We are fine at WR.We're not fine at FS, RDE, RB, TE, CB and @ SAM.

? for you, et all:

1. Is Poppinga's position not in need of an upgrade?

2. Do you absolutely love Nick Collins @ FS?

3.Was Lee's last season @ TE one that really encourages our strength @ TE?

4. How long in the tooth is KGB? 4b.Where does he play? 4c. How long since we drafted a quality DE and 4d. Wouldn't one fit now on the RHS of OUR DL?

TT selected with his 1st pick @ #36 another WR ( one that gets good ink yet, possibly a one year wonder. Then @ #56 a QB? WHY?? No need according to all the praise fr. TT and MM. Go to Packers.Com and read what they say on definite starting status of QB Aaron Rodgers.

In my view of yesterday and all the work we do here as fans and support for OUR Packers. We should have expected more:

The Shadow !

Why go there when that does little to upgrade OUR team considering REAL needs?

Yes again TT chose a defensive back with his third pick ( our 2nd, second rounder) that may have upside when there we're CB's available yesterday possibly readymade in Colledge football to replace one of OUR starters @ CB Harris or Woodson if necessary ie injury?

We don't see strength at CB and that implies to me that TT select the b BPA early at CB. TT should have selected for OUR 'D' with that first pick. Trade down or not aside. He traded down and got us a fourth. He had many solid choices with that 36th pick that would have made a lot of fans really happy.

A WR and that one with only two off the board. Come on.

I'm not taking this down on you personally. This is where we hammer this stuff out respectfully I trust.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[cpk1994]

You might be right. I do like Driver, Jennings AND Jones though. Jones showed great hands and very good short area burst to get open and get YAC. I think he's a player - a solid #2 WR.

Nelson might be reserved to a backup/ST role in year one and two. Maybe that's not such a bad thing. We shouldn't be counting so heavily on rookies anyway. In the long term, Driver goes and Nelson steps in. I did say I liked the pick long term. Acctually, I love the pick. I think he's going to be a great Packer. Maybe it's not even bad short term if you buy into the "rookies shouldn't be counted on as starters" thing. I know a lot of coaches prefer letting rookies earn the starting role over a year or two, not just handing it to them on day one.

I've tried to figure out how to use everyone, and it's hard to imagine Rodgers running a spread offense in the NFL. It's a lot of pressure. Maybe I shouldn't be thinking about how to get a rookie on the field right now. Maybe I should just chill out and let him work his way in with ST's, a reserve role and injuries.

The thing is though, Rodgers DID run those spread sets against the Cowboys and handled it fine. That part is not an issue.

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: Revolving door GM???

I see most everyone is fairly giddy over day 1, but...

I like the Brohm pick, but that has as much to do with the fact that I don't like Rodgers - in general I give GM's a pass on QB's - they're next to impossible to project.

I will agree that QBs are hard to predict.

Anyway, the Nelson and Lee picks are troubling to me - Nelson b/c TT creates another log jam situation, and Lee b/c he seems to fit the Packers preferred template for evaluating college CB's - raw physical ability, little experience, and virtually no production. PFW's write up of Lee sounds eeirly like Ahmad Carroll... Carroll, Antwan Edwards, et al... the Packers don't have a very good track record of evaluating college corners.

Now I begin to disagree with you. First, Lee had 22 starts under his belt at Auburn in the SEC. That is not inexperience, that is almost two years of starts. he had over a 100 tackles, and 4 picks as senior, thats production, you seemed to miss out on that. He has experience returning kicks, and he is a demon covering kicks something that he will add right away when he steps on the field. He isn't going to root out Harris or Woodson, so he is going to contribute right away on special teams.

Nelson is all production without a name, similar to Greg Jennings, and Murphy, tough blue collar receivers that just simply catch the ball and score touchdowns. He isn't going to come in and compete with Jennings or Driver, but he is going to push Jones, and move either Martin or Robinson off the roster. He is a BPA on Thompson's wish list. The Packers use a lot of 4 receiver sets so he is going to add to the offense right away.

The Nelson pick speaks to another problem - building a bloody team. This is two years in a row... The Harrell pick pushed Williams off the roster - will the Nelson pick push Jennings off the roster after '09???

Pushed an over priced rotation guy off the roster for a second round pick. Thompson did a very fair thing for Williams he sent him to a team willing to give him 6 million a year on a multi-year deal. Harrell didn't contribute as much as you want in 2007, but to consider a pick a washout because of their first year is ridiculous. Thinking that Jennings is going to be bumped off this roster after 2009 is just as ridiculous. Jennings is going to be the number one receiver for the next ten years for Green Bay. If you haven't noticed Thompson is banking money just for fellas like Jennings, Hawk, maybe Grant, and other players already on the roster. Nelson is going to be on this roster to contribute not force somebody off this roster. Driver is still playing great but he is in his 30s has who knows how much tread is left on those tires, one serious ankle, or knee injury will most likely end any value left in his career. Nelson and Jones are players that will slowly move up the roster. Jennings is here to stay, period.

So how does this make the team better??? Harrell clearly isn't better than Williams, so not only did we lose a better player at a position of strength already, we wasted a 1st round pick that could have been used at another position.

Nelson makes this team better because it gives the offense another weapon for a young QB. what don't you understand about that? This team is not have holes that need a starter immediately. You make a move that is going to add to your roster, not only for 2008 but for four or five seasons.

Harrell was 2007. He will be competing for a starting spot and at least a position in the top three defensive tackles. he makes this team better because he projected to be one of the best defensive linemen in the country going into the 2006 college football season. He fought through some tough injuries and should be ready to go in 2008. You judge him too quickly

So here comes Nelson... let's say he's a hell of a player - ok, great. A lot of people are already projecting Jennings to a big payday in '10 FA and what are the odds that TT will pay him? probably not good; so, we let Jennings walk, Driver will be strictly a possesseion guy by then; James Jones showed some ability last year, I'd imagine Jones won't be happy as a 4th receiver and will make up his mind fairly quickly to bolt as soon as FA allows.

[b]Again why does Jennings leave? Why isn't he going to get paid? I mean unless 2007 was a total mirage, but the Packers would be fools to let a receiver that is already one of the top 20 in the NFL go. With plenty of 4 and 5 receiver sets there will be plenty of balls to go around in the Packers offense. No one needs to go any where unless Driver retires. Comparing Jenning's talent and contributions to William's contributions and ability is a reach. Jennings is way more talented and way more valuable

TT created a mess at DT last year and not only wasted a 1st round pick, he ran off a damn good player in Williams. Now he drafts Nelson, and will likely run off Jennings, Jones, or both.

Thats your opinion but I think you are being way to over dramatic about this. I was actually happy we had Harrell after Jolly, and Cole went down for the season, and Pickett missing the last two games of the season. I really wouldn't call that a mess.

The Brohm and Rodgers picks could also be used as object lessons in Teddism... We're told Rodgers was "a steal", "too much value to pass up", blah, blah, blah - does anyone really think the guy will lead us to a SB??? Of course not.

Again, why all the drama? How do you know if Rodgers is the one to lead us to a Super Bowl? He has sat behind Favre for three years. I certainly didn't expect him to take Favre's spot while Favre was still playing. So the jury is still out on him either way you slice it.

Either way you slice it - one of the two of them is a wasted pick. If Brohm becomes the starter, then TT wasted the '05 1st round pick. If Rodgers stays the starter (something I seriously doubt) and Brohm rides the bench, the best we could hope for would be a trade in 3-4 years - so did we spend a 2rd rd pick this year essentially to trade it for a future 2nd or 3rd round pick. More wheel spinning than team building.

Packers only have one legit qb on the roster before they selected Brohm. when they selected Rodgers they had Favre and Nall and Favre kept mentioning retirement every third sentence. So a competent back up and an eventual starter was the call, probably the right call at this point considering the Packers now have a groomed replacement for Favre ready to go. Brohm now fills the role that has been vacated with the Rodgers becoming the starter and Favre retiring. It is really quite simple.

I think Brohm has a much better chance than Rodgers so I'm not viewing the day as a total loss, but the drafting of Nelson, regardless of whether he turns out to be a player or not, speaks to what I consider to be a fundamentally debilitating flaw in TT - complete and total tunnel vision with respect to each and every player, regardless of position, and without any regard to building a roster.

I think you are way off base with your analysis of Thompson's tunnel vision theory, but everyone has their own opinions on Ted Thompson and the draft certainly brings them all out.

In the end, TT's philosophy seems to be self-torpedoing... draft the highest rated guy on your board, regardless of whether that means you have to move another good guy off your roster on the other end.

I guess if that means moving Robinson or Martin off your roster then you are right, only if you consider them good players. Lee replaces Walker, Brohm's position I already went over. So this theory really doesn't stand up.

I've said this before - I think it is entirely possible that TT is a great talent evaluator, that can continually supply a franchise with good talent, but will likely never be able to build a championship team.

He built an NFC North Champion, and a team that was one game away from the Super Bowl, he has earn my trust, which I am sure means very little to Ted Thompson.

[Tony Oday]

Our offense isnt a QB intensive system in the fact that you need a strong arm QB to run it...when Favre tried his old ways he got hammered. Cue Rogers in against the Cowboys and he executed correctly.

Can Rogers last all year? Yeah just as well as his line protects him! Good god he has some mobility and played the rest of his first game on a broken ankle? Isnt that something to get a gold star? Its not like he is going down to Hammy issues or something.

Poppigna in my mind will make another jump this year and hope he pushes hard.

WR is a strength however in two plays you could be down two WR and we all know that, Jennings has been hurt in the past and Driver gets hammered across the middle he wont stay healthy forever.

I like the draft thus far because one thing TT has done is made all the naysayers wrong...

[packerbacker1234]

First off - Nelson WONT BE pushing Jennings off the roster. Like it or not, Jennings, especially last season, has shown that he is a top flight WR in the NFC. In fact, even Driver commented how he thought Jennings should of been in the probowl instead of himself, but thats all name recognition. Jennings was a no name going into this year, and still is relativly unknown nationally. It took driver many, many good years before finally getting recognition.

Nelson may turn out to be great and all, but Jennings job shouldn't be in ANY jeopardy. Will he be due a payday soon? Sure, and I think if we keep managing the cap like he keeps doing, we can afford everyone's payday. Afterall, the one thing you can't say thompson hasn't done in recent memory is give players there due payday. He did it with Barnett and Harris already. Ryan Grant, if he has another good year, will most likely get his the next season, and Jennings should be coming along right with it. Driver wont be around forever, and a Jones/Nelson battle to take the 2nd starting WR spot should be the bigger concern. I like Jones, and sure Nelson looks promising, but this pick clearly shows that the packers are not comfortable, down the road, with Martin/Robinson becoming our slot WR. Essentially, thats what this pick is for - when driver retires we have THREE very solid WR's hitting their primes.

The pick at CB is always a question. Most picks PERIOD are busts in the NFL, and CB is a tough choice. While there are some that make it (obviously) the vast majority of CB picks are a complete bust.

QB was frankly just a need. Like rodgers or not, he has to stay on the field, and following a legend usually leads to you being out of town after two years. We just went one game from the super bowl. If rodgers fails to get us a playoff birth, he could easily be ran out of town (frankly, with this team, we should be in the playoffs this year, and if we don't it will all be on Rodgers because Favre is the only significant difference from last season to this one).

[Scott Campbell]

The Brohm and Rodgers picks could also be used as object lessons in Teddism... We're told Rodgers was "a steal", "too much value to pass up", blah, blah, blah - does anyone really think the guy will lead us to a SB??? Of course not.

PackerRats Classic.

[swede]

PackerRats Classic.

That is some deep tunnel mining, son.

[Deputy Nutz]

I can't believe I was defending Thompson.

[Scott Campbell]

That is some deep tunnel mining, son.

There's gold in them there hills.

[bobblehead]

I can't believe I was defending Thompson.

And you were right. Your football knowledge is unquestionable. Your posting style is entertaining. the only criticism would be that you were too attached to our franchise QB to see the big picture. No crime, and I hope you continue posting.

[Freak Out]

Where the hell is Packnut and the girls I wonder?

[Bretsky]

Hey, I made sense in here........lol.......


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[swede]

KYPack is gone a few months now also.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And you were right. Your football knowledge is unquestionable. Your posting style is entertaining. the only criticism would be that you were too attached to our franchise QB to see the big picture. No crime, and I hope you continue posting.

I agree. I want to see you have the same passion for Aaron that you had for Brett (e.g. throwing cups against the wall at the bar after he threw a killer interception against the Bears).

[Lurker64]

The important thing to remember about the draft is that absolutely everybody is wrong all the time about the draft.