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  • #46
    Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
    Didn't mean to single you out Wist. Sorry. I always respected your posting even if I don't agree with parts of it.
    The big thing for me was switching to the 3-4... as I said about QB's, they're just too tough to project; but, other positions, and philosophy - I'll debate that all day long.

    We got lucky with Rodgers... and not just that he turned out to be good, but that he may turn out to be great!!! Wow, really, I can't believe the leap he's made... it's hard to change your delivery, and had he not been able to do that, he would have struggled mightily to succeed. Rodgers still has an unorthodox delivery, having developed into more of a jump/throw... ball comes out of there very quickly. It certainly isn't the delivery he came into the league with.
    wist

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    • #47
      Originally posted by wist43 View Post
      The big thing for me was switching to the 3-4... as I said about QB's, they're just too tough to project; but, other positions, and philosophy - I'll debate that all day long.

      We got lucky with Rodgers... and not just that he turned out to be good, but that he may turn out to be great!!! Wow, really, I can't believe the leap he's made... it's hard to change your delivery, and had he not been able to do that, he would have struggled mightily to succeed. Rodgers still has an unorthodox delivery, having developed into more of a jump/throw... ball comes out of there very quickly. It certainly isn't the delivery he came into the league with.
      At least the delivery is unorthodox good instead of unorthodox bad (**cough**TimTebow**cough**)
      No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
        At least the delivery is unorthodox good instead of unorthodox bad (**cough**TimTebow**cough**)
        or just straight up bad with a side order of whine (***cough**Jay Cutler***cough***)

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        • #49
          Philip Rivers also has a very unorthodox delivery, but it doesn't keep him from racking up impressive stats. Playoff wins are another issue, but I can hardly say that's his fault entirely.
          </delurk>

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Little Whiskey View Post
            or just straight up bad with a side order of whine (***cough**Jay Cutler***cough***)
            Why are you concerned about Cutler? He plays for the Bears, and thus I am happy with bad.
            No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
              Why are you concerned about Cutler? He plays for the Bears, and thus I am happy with bad.
              there were some on this board who thought he should be in GreenBay.

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              • #52
                QB mechanics are overrated and mostly just bs talk. Plenty of good quality QB's don't have the best mechanics. What makes a QB good or great is

                1. arm strength (enough to make the throws needed. He doesn't have to have a rocket)
                2. Vision.
                3. Reading the defense and knowing where to go w/ the ball
                4. footwork. Can fall into mechanics technically, but just dropping back correctly and quickly as well as being able to step up or scramble to buy time.

                How the SOB actually delivers the ball is about as overrated and overstated as it gets.

                Most importantly, an O-line.

                Many teams spend tons of money and high picks on a QB, and then promptly toss him in behind a horrible line. Pretty much a one way ticket to failure and a ruined career. (Carr)

                also

                Stability in your coaching staff. Alex Smith stood ZERO chance and I don't think Rodgers would have fared any better.


                People really should take note on how Rodgers was developed. I think at least 2 years serving as the back up and maybe getting spot duty is ideal. Don't bow to the pressure of getting your high dollar draft pick out there at all costs...because its quite likely its setting him up for failure.

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                • #53
                  Hanie sure was a side armer.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Packers4Glory View Post
                    Many teams spend tons of money and high picks on a QB, and then promptly toss him in behind a horrible line. Pretty much a one way ticket to failure and a ruined career. (Carr)

                    I thought I heard someone call my name!

                    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Packers4Glory View Post
                      1. arm strength (enough to make the throws needed. He doesn't have to have a rocket)
                      2. Vision.
                      3. Reading the defense and knowing where to go w/ the ball
                      4. footwork. Can fall into mechanics technically, but just dropping back correctly and quickly as well as being able to step up or scramble to buy time. .
                      If you don't have much accuracy, the rest doesn't matter that much. Really good accuracy can make up a lack of quality in the other areas too.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                        If you don't have much accuracy, the rest doesn't matter that much. Really good accuracy can make up a lack of quality in the other areas too.
                        Accuracy is just a function of things like footwork, delivery, and anticipation. It's not like quarterbacks have some magical "accuracy" statistic that dictates where the ball will go.
                        </delurk>

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Packers4Glory View Post
                          How the SOB actually delivers the ball is about as overrated and overstated as it gets.
                          I don't entirely agree. The speed of a delivery, I think, would matter a lot. A lightning quick release is way more desireable than a long wind-up given identical accuracy.
                          No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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                          • #58
                            Phillip Rivers said one QB he admired in the league was Aaron Rodgers, for his tight mechanics.


                            For the record, I love his quick sort of "jump" pass. If you ever see pictures of Rodgers throwing, the ball is always coming out at the highest point possible. For a guy who stands 6'2", he has a delivery like he's 6'4".

                            Listening to Aikman the last few weeks and reading what Rivers said, I'm beginning to think AR has near perfect throwing mechanics. His release is quick as a whip. He gets the ball out at the highest possible point over lineman with pinpoint accuracy. He's unique, but his throwing mechanics are respected and admired around the NFL.

                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                              The big thing for me was switching to the 3-4... as I said about QB's, they're just too tough to project; but, other positions, and philosophy - I'll debate that all day long.

                              We got lucky with Rodgers... and not just that he turned out to be good, but that he may turn out to be great!!! Wow, really, I can't believe the leap he's made... it's hard to change your delivery, and had he not been able to do that, he would have struggled mightily to succeed. Rodgers still has an unorthodox delivery, having developed into more of a jump/throw... ball comes out of there very quickly. It certainly isn't the delivery he came into the league with.
                              I think with Rodgers there was not much to change except his carrying point, which was a Tedford thing. So 95% of his delivery was normal or optimal, the high carrying point was the bone of contention. And even McCarthy said simply by not emphasizing it, it will come down naturally.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                              • #60
                                scott mitchell good mechanics?

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