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  • #31
    Mad is gay? Wow, I never woulda guess, what with his Pendejo avatar and all. Of course, those guys like to wear leather chaps...


    (there, that should be enough mentions of MTP IS GAY to get some hits on google)
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    • #32
      Originally posted by vince
      In the Two Minute Warning compilation, the stats reflect opponents' yardage from their #1 and #2 receivers, thus eliminating the potential subjective assignment of which DB is "credited" with the yardage. The assumption is that the starting corners match up with the top 2 receivers...
      So they replace a subjective evaluation with a flat out guess without so much as even looking at the play? That's ridiculous.

      Following that logic the best starting wide receivers can be determined by when and where the starting cornerbacks make tackles, regardless of who they tackle.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by packrulz
        Stats can be made to say whatever you want but I agree with the article that Woody and Harris are getting old, they're still good but declining in skills, they have maybe 2 years left. Plaxico Burress dominated Harris in the NFC Championship game and the Packers need badly for Lee and Williams to step up and prove they can start. I think TT should draft 2 CB's high every year until he can find their replacements. Safety is a concern also, but Bigby/Culver/Rouse are beginning to step up.
        I think the key is having Lee, Williams, Rouse, and Bigby step up, and to have Lee and Williams ready to replace Harris and Woodson. While Harris is good he was burned big time twice last year when it mattered most. The Dallas game and the Giants game Harris sucked and got burned all game long. If Lee can develop well enough during the season I hope he will bench Harris during games when he is getting burned.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by LL2
          I think the key is having Lee, Williams, Rouse, and Bigby step up, and to have Lee and Williams ready to replace Harris and Woodson. While Harris is good he was burned big time twice last year when it mattered most. The Dallas game and the Giants game Harris sucked and got burned all game long. If Lee can develop well enough during the season I hope he will bench Harris during games when he is getting burned.
          I agree with most of that. I don't know about benching him last year, he was far from the only CB to be burned by those WRs last year. T.O. is a top 5 WR when he shows up to play and Burress, when healthy, is a beast. I'm not sure we would have been better off with anyone else on our roster, but I agree that it is worth considering. If he drops off any more, someone better step up.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by LL2
            I think the key is having Lee, Williams, Rouse, and Bigby step up, and to have Lee and Williams ready to replace Harris and Woodson. While Harris is good he was burned big time twice last year when it mattered most. The Dallas game and the Giants game Harris sucked and got burned all game long. If Lee can develop well enough during the season I hope he will bench Harris during games when he is getting burned.
            I think the coaching, and lack of adjustments by them are as much to blame as Harris for him getting burned - by two of the physically stronger receivers in the game.

            One of Harris's strengths is just that - his strength. His speed isn't, and never has been, great, but he's able to compensate for that by overpowering receivers. When he's matched up against someone who's stronger than him (both Plexico and TO are known to be very powerful) it causes problems. Guess what? If he was matched up against D. Boston, alarm bells would be going off then too.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by LL2
              I think the key is having Lee, Williams, Rouse, and Bigby step up, and to have Lee and Williams ready to replace Harris and Woodson. While Harris is good he was burned big time twice last year when it mattered most. The Dallas game and the Giants game Harris sucked and got burned all game long. If Lee can develop well enough during the season I hope he will bench Harris during games when he is getting burned.

              Remember that Dallas game, Chuck didn't play due to a toe injury and Green Bay was playing a soft zone defense with nobody to press Crayton on the other side. While Harris got all the blame, I was consistently seeing TO run across the field thru LB and safety zones and beat them as well. When the ball was thrown to Harris' zone, Harris had one INT and should have had a second one - but the goddamn sideline ref standing farthest from the play whistled the play dead prematurely. I'd agree that Harris didn't have the greatest day of his career that day, but to blame him specifically for thier defensive struggles is a bit unfair. Again, Woodson wasn't even in a uniform and they weren't playing man coverage for the most part.
              Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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