Why Rodgers Will Fail and Why Favre Needs to Come Back

[Tankduke]

So I was AWOL for awhile and decided to log back on with my PackFan#1 account, but for some reason I can’t. So I decided to start this one.

There’s a reason Aaron Rodgers had to wait 5 hours for his name to be called, and that reason is he’s mediocre. One might argue that Favre was a 2nd round pick. But the 2005 qb draft class was weak. No one from that class is having a hall of fame career. In a better year, Rodgers would’ve been a 4th or 5th round pick.

You heard it here first: Rodgers will fail. If he’s not a career backup, he will be out of the league in 3-4 years. Rodgers should be grateful backing up Favre. As long as he’s not being exposed, the paychecks will keep coming in. Start Rodgers and you have Tim Couch all over again.

Rodgers still has 2 years left in his contract. Let him show what he’s made off in his contract year (next year). Suppose that Rodgers actually gives some one other than Thompson a hard on with his play (doubtful), the Packers can always lock him up with the franchise tag.

3/4 of the teams in the NFL would rather have the 38 years old Favre starting for them than the bums they currently have.

Ted Thompson, the definition of egoism and incompetence, drove Favre into an “early” retirement in March. Now Thompson, the definition of egoism and incompetence, is refusing to welcome Favre back. And the legend is holding his arms wide open for Thompson to crawl into!!! Talk about egoism and incompetence!!!

If the Packers want to win Super Bowl 43, they need Brett Favre. Rodgers is not going to lead the Packers to the Super Bowl. Not this year. Not next year. Never.

The opportunity to actually win the SB (not just dream about it) doesn’t come around very often. Will Thompson let it go to waste?

[Lurker64]

Maybe we can get Joey Harrington. He's supposed to take us to the promised land, right?

[oregonpackfan]

I don't think Rodgers will "fail." As I have posted in other threads, I think the Packers' offense may sputter during the first half of the season. You don't replace your starting, HOF quarterback of 16 straight years and expect the offense to hum along as efficiently as before.

I think Rodgers will definitely be a better QB the second half of the season. Even if Rodgers is just "adequate" I think the Packers can go 10-6, win the NFC North division, and make it to the second round of the playoffs.

[PlantPage55]

Is that Grandmaster B as your avatar?

[motife]

I appreciate your thoughts Tank. They are often insightful, even though I may not agree.

Mike McCarthy is more than happy with Rodgers, and his play in the Dallas game was superb. Decision making, accuracy, velocity, and running skills.

With McCarthy, Brett Favre had a better passer rating than he'd had since 1996. The only year close was 2001.

McCarthy made Aaron Brooks almost a Pro Bowl quality talent in New Orleans, until Brooks got the big head.

Here's a quote concerning Favre's 2007 season :

"Favre probably wouldn't have played as well in 2008 and he did in '07. He faded late in the year in each of the last three years. The INT against the Giants was horrific; in fact, his last five series were horrific. Not a very good sign for the future. He folded in the extreme cold twice in a month."

Rodgers "is no rooke QB" according to almost everyone in the locker room.

His strengths are his grasp of the offense, his perceived abilty to play within it, arm strength, confidence and running ability.

No one will know until the games are played. If he keeps turnovers low, he should do fine. It's a gamble, but I agree with Harry Sydney. Enough Favre mind games.

[privatepacker]

I just finished watching the playoff game against Seattle. Wanted to look at maybe the best game I saw Favre in last year. That game I'm not sure Rodgers could have brought the team back from being 14 points down. MM called a great game and there were some individual efforts that were outstanding including Favres'. Outside of that, I think Rodgers will keep this team on track. The defense especially against the pass was marginal to me. If Atari wasn't hitting like a madman then many more passes would have been completed by Hasslebeck. Lots of drops due to some big hits. The two DBs that looked bad were Collins and Walker. Have to see the Giant game if those two stunk it up again.
Anyway, I think Rodgers will run the offense like MM wants and take a few shots downfield when they come. He may not be all pro next year but maybe the year after.

[The Shadow]

Re: Why Rodgers Will Fail and Why Favre Needs to Come Back

So I was AWOL for awhile and decided to log back on with my PackFan#1 account, but for some reason I can’t. So I decided to start this one.

There’s a reason Aaron Rodgers had to wait 5 hours for his name to be called, and that reason is he’s mediocre. One might argue that Favre was a 2nd round pick. But the 2005 qb draft class was weak. No one from that class is having a hall of fame career. In a better year, Rodgers would’ve been a 4th or 5th round pick.

You heard it here first: Rodgers will fail. If he’s not a career backup, he will be out of the league in 3-4 years. Rodgers should be grateful backing up Favre. As long as he’s not being exposed, the paychecks will keep coming in. Start Rodgers and you have Tim Couch all over again.

Rodgers still has 2 years left in his contract. Let him show what he’s made off in his contract year (next year). Suppose that Rodgers actually gives some one other than Thompson a hard on with his play (doubtful), the Packers can always lock him up with the franchise tag.

3/4 of the teams in the NFL would rather have the 38 years old Favre starting for them than the bums they currently have.

Ted Thompson, the definition of egoism and incompetence, drove Favre into an “early” retirement in March. Now Thompson, the definition of egoism and incompetence, is refusing to welcome Favre back. And the legend is holding his arms wide open for Thompson to crawl into!!! Talk about egoism and incompetence!!!

If the Packers want to win Super Bowl 43, they need Brett Favre. Rodgers is not going to lead the Packers to the Super Bowl. Not this year. Not next year. Never.

The opportunity to actually win the SB (not just dream about it) doesn’t come around very often. Will Thompson let it go to waste?

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[gex]

Jesus is droppimg hints that he might want to come back and save us peons, but all the HATERS say is "no thanks we are moving on without you with our science and technology" Don't listen to the HATERS, the selfish ones, the what have you done for me lately crowd. They seem to be the same one's always obsessed with THIS IS MY MONEY, ME,ME.ME. Favre gave everything he could for this franchise year in and year out, the MAN deserves better than the me,me,me, peons saying what they are saying.
Trade Aaron so he can start somewhere if you think he deserves it. You HATERS will be the first caliing for his head when things dont go so well anyways. NO sense of loyalty, fkn neo-cons.

[Brando19]

Jesus is droppimg hints that he might want to come back and save us peons, but all the HATERS say is "no thanks we are moving on without you with our science and technology" Don't listen to the HATERS, the selfish ones, the what have you done for me lately crowd. They seem to be the same one's always obsessed with THIS IS MY MONEY, ME,ME.ME. Favre gave everything he could for this franchise year in and year out, the MAN deserves better than the me,me,me, peons saying what they are saying.
Trade Aaron so he can start somewhere if you think he deserves it. You HATERS will be the first caliing for his head when things dont go so well anyways. NO sense of loyalty, fkn neo-cons.

I get what you're trying to say, but don't ever compare Favre to Jesus. That's just stupid. Jesus gave his life for EVERYONE....Favre won football games for millions of dollars. Again, I understand what you're trying to say, but the Jesus reference is not comparable.

[FritzDontBlitz]

Funny thread.

I have never understood the sentiment about running your franchise QB out of town just because you wanna get a look at the new guy you spent a #1 pick on, especially when the franchise didn't miss a game in 17 years while the #1 pick can't even go 4 quarters without being hurt. I also don't understand the idea that the franchise QB doesn't have a right to change his mind and want to give it another year. If the franchise was exhibiting declining skills it would make sense, but since he led the team to the NFC Championship last season, why can't he come back and give it one more shot? I don't understand why he ever retired from an up and coming team that was only one game away in the first place. Its only natural that the "what if's" would begin to set in after the sting of losing to the eventual Super Bowl champs began to subside.

We still don't know if the rumors are even true, but if Brett wants to come back I say let him. Or, think about the prospect that he DOES come back, TT gives him his walking papers, he's signed by the Bears and you are forced to watch Brian Urlacher dismember A-Rod the toothpick QB twice this season while Mr. Durability leads Chicago to the Super Bowl. If he comes back and gets his release from TT that's a distinct possibility.

You may begin your flaming now.

[Scott Campbell]

\I have never understood the sentiment about running your franchise QB out of town .......

Say what???? Favre wasn't run out of town.

[Tankduke]

Maybe we can get Joey Harrington. He's supposed to take us to the promised land, right?

...In the year after Favre. Favre is not officially retired. Thompson wanted to be like Jerry Krause, so he did something that hasn't been done in professional sport since Krause forced MJ out : the polar bear a put player on the inactive/retired list when that players is still playing at a high level.

[Tankduke]

I appreciate your thoughts Tank. They are often insightful, even though I may not agree.

Mike McCarthy is more than happy with Rodgers, and his play in the Dallas game was superb. Decision making, accuracy, velocity, and running skills.

With McCarthy, Brett Favre had a better passer rating than he'd had since 1996. The only year close was 2001.

McCarthy made Aaron Brooks almost a Pro Bowl quality talent in New Orleans, until Brooks got the big head.

Here's a quote concerning Favre's 2007 season :

"Favre probably wouldn't have played as well in 2008 and he did in '07. He faded late in the year in each of the last three years. The INT against the Giants was horrific; in fact, his last five series were horrific. Not a very good sign for the future. He folded in the extreme cold twice in a month."

Rodgers "is no rooke QB" according to almost everyone in the locker room.

His strengths are his grasp of the offense, his perceived abilty to play within it, arm strength, confidence and running ability.

No one will know until the games are played. If he keeps turnovers low, he should do fine. It's a gamble, but I agree with Harry Sydney. Enough Favre mind games.

Motfie, the Dallas gm was an aberration. The Cowboys didn't game plan for Rodgers, so he made a few plays here and there with his feet. Rodgers had a chance to win that game at one point, which he failed miserably.

[Tankduke]

Re: Why Rodgers Will Fail and Why Favre Needs to Come Back

Ted Thompson, the definition of egoism and incompetence

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Bleeping up the Moss situation. That was Thompson's definition of egoism and incompetence for the 2007 season.

[Tankduke]

I just finished watching the playoff game against Seattle. Wanted to look at maybe the best game I saw Favre in last year. That game I'm not sure Rodgers could have brought the team back from being 14 points down. MM called a great game and there were some individual efforts that were outstanding including Favres'. Outside of that, I think Rodgers will keep this team on track. The defense especially against the pass was marginal to me. If Atari wasn't hitting like a madman then many more passes would have been completed by Hasslebeck. Lots of drops due to some big hits. The two DBs that looked bad were Collins and Walker. Have to see the Giant game if those two stunk it up again.
Anyway, I think Rodgers will run the offense like MM wants and take a few shots downfield when they come. He may not be all pro next year but maybe the year after.

Rodgers an all pro? lol.

Brooks Bollinger will be an all pro before Aaron Rodgers.