Why Rodgers Will Fail and Why Favre Needs to Come Back

[Tankduke]

Funny thread.

I have never understood the sentiment about running your franchise QB out of town just because you wanna get a look at the new guy you spent a #1 pick on, especially when the franchise didn't miss a game in 17 years while the #1 pick can't even go 4 quarters without being hurt. I also don't understand the idea that the franchise QB doesn't have a right to change his mind and want to give it another year. If the franchise was exhibiting declining skills it would make sense, but since he led the team to the NFC Championship last season, why can't he come back and give it one more shot? I don't understand why he ever retired from an up and coming team that was only one game away in the first place. Its only natural that the "what if's" would begin to set in after the sting of losing to the eventual Super Bowl champs began to subside.

We still don't know if the rumors are even true, but if Brett wants to come back I say let him. Or, think about the prospect that he DOES come back, TT gives him his walking papers, he's signed by the Bears and you are forced to watch Brian Urlacher dismember A-Rod the toothpick QB twice this season while Mr. Durability leads Chicago to the Super Bowl. If he comes back and gets his release from TT that's a distinct possibility.

You may begin your flaming now.

Good post.

[Tarlam!]

How many times do we need to ban this freak before he finally gets lost?

[Tankduke]

\I have never understood the sentiment about running your franchise QB out of town .......

Say what???? Favre wasn't run out of town.

You're delusional.

[Patler]

Motfie, the Dallas gm was an aberration. The Cowboys didn't game plan for Rodgers, so he made a few plays here and there with his feet. Rodgers had a chance to win that game at one point, which he failed miserably.

Of course you are also ignoring that the Packers also did not game plan for using Rodgers. Perhaps when they do they will be better able to use his skills even when the defense knows he will play.

The impact of game planning goes both ways.

[Tankduke]

Motfie, the Dallas gm was an aberration. The Cowboys didn't game plan for Rodgers, so he made a few plays here and there with his feet. Rodgers had a chance to win that game at one point, which he failed miserably.

Of course you are also ignoring that the Packers also did not game plan for using Rodgers. Perhaps when they do they will be better able to use his skills even when the defense knows he will play.

The impact of game planning goes both ways.

What skills? Rodgers doesn't have a strong arm and he's not that accurate. In the Dallas game, he didn't do anything spectacular with his arm; his receivers, particularly Jennings, made him look good.

[Patler]

Motfie, the Dallas gm was an aberration. The Cowboys didn't game plan for Rodgers, so he made a few plays here and there with his feet. Rodgers had a chance to win that game at one point, which he failed miserably.

Of course you are also ignoring that the Packers also did not game plan for using Rodgers. Perhaps when they do they will be better able to use his skills even when the defense knows he will play.

The impact of game planning goes both ways.

What skills? Rodgers doesn't have a strong arm and he's not that accurate. In the Dallas game, he didn't do anything spectacular with his arm; his receivers, particularly Jennings, made him look good.

You mentioned making plays with his feet, his claim to fame in college was exceptional accuracy, his receivers have described a strong arm, but none of that relates to my point that you are looking at only half of the equation.

Even if you assume he has no skills (which of course is absurd for any draft pick let alone a first round draft pick) his performance can be maximized when the Packers game plan takes into consideration that he will be playing.

I will repeat, the impact of game planning goes both ways. You can't argue the opponents side of the game planning issue without considering the same from the Packers perspective. The opponents will game plan to stop a Packer team lead by Rodgers, and the Packers will game plan for offensive success with the team being run by Rodgers. The ultimate outcome may be decided by who uses their resources more successfully.

[Fred's Slacks]

Motfie, the Dallas gm was an aberration. The Cowboys didn't game plan for Rodgers, so he made a few plays here and there with his feet. Rodgers had a chance to win that game at one point, which he failed miserably.

Of course you are also ignoring that the Packers also did not game plan for using Rodgers. Perhaps when they do they will be better able to use his skills even when the defense knows he will play.

The impact of game planning goes both ways.

What skills? Rodgers doesn't have a strong arm and he's not that accurate. In the Dallas game, he didn't do anything spectacular with his arm; his receivers, particularly Jennings, made him look good.

Our receivers made those type of plays all year. Maybe they made Favre look good?

[motife]

What skills? Rodgers doesn't have a strong arm and he's not that accurate..

John Clayton ESPN 06/18/08 :

Rodgers has a very strong arm. He's had the strong arm since he's been in Green Bay. The football explodes off his hand on each throw in practice. Teammates have noticed it for years because they work with or against him in practice.

GB players on Rodgers arm strength :

Watching Packers minicamp without Favre, it's impossible not to notice how impressive Rodgers looks now that No. 12 runs the offense. He has a smooth, polished retreat from center. His feet are in good position for each throw out of three- and five-step drops.

And then you take notice. His right arm sets up naturally, and the ball comes out unnaturally fast. He doesn't possess an old Randy Johnson fastball, but, in baseball terms, his 6-2 body throws the fastball of a 6-5 pitcher. Sticking to baseball comparisons, Rodgers might not generate 99 or 100 mph on the radar gun, but he'd consistently hit 94 and 95, and sometimes 96.

"He has a cannon," wide receiver Greg Jennings said. "We call him the 'Human Jugs Machine.' He throws it like a Jugs machine every time.


"He can make every throw on the football field, and his deep ball is one of the prettiest. Brett had a great deep ball, but Aaron has a beautiful one."

Jennings said there are some throws Rodgers makes that have more velocity than Favre's. As a young receiver, Jennings can only speak about Favre in his later years. "We knew that coming in that Aaron throws a lot harder, so it's not a surprise," the third-year Packer said.

[Tankduke]

Motfie, the Dallas gm was an aberration. The Cowboys didn't game plan for Rodgers, so he made a few plays here and there with his feet. Rodgers had a chance to win that game at one point, which he failed miserably.

Of course you are also ignoring that the Packers also did not game plan for using Rodgers. Perhaps when they do they will be better able to use his skills even when the defense knows he will play.

The impact of game planning goes both ways.

What skills? Rodgers doesn't have a strong arm and he's not that accurate. In the Dallas game, he didn't do anything spectacular with his arm; his receivers, particularly Jennings, made him look good.

You mentioned making plays with his feet, his claim to fame in college was exceptional accuracy, his receivers have described a strong arm, but none of that relates to my point that you are looking at only half of the equation.

Even if you assume he has no skills (which of course is absurd for any draft pick let alone a first round draft pick) his performance can be maximized when the Packers game plan takes into consideration that he will be playing.

I will repeat, the impact of game planning goes both ways. You can't argue the opponents side of the game planning issue without considering the same from the Packers perspective. The opponents will game plan to stop a Packer team lead by Rodgers, and the Packers will game plan for offensive success with the team being run by Rodgers. The ultimate outcome may be decided by who uses their resources more successfully.

Many no skills qbs have been drafted higher than Rodgers in the past. Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, to name a few.

Game planing against a Rodgers led Packer team is as easy as ABC. 8 men in the box on early downs, blitz Rodgers into the stone age on obvious passing downs.

Favre doesn't need the Packers, the Packers need Favre.

[Scott Campbell]

Many no skills qbs have been drafted higher than Rodgers in the past. Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, to name a few.

.......Joey Harrington......

[sheepshead]

Motfie, the Dallas gm was an aberration. The Cowboys didn't game plan for Rodgers, so he made a few plays here and there with his feet. Rodgers had a chance to win that game at one point, which he failed miserably.

Of course you are also ignoring that the Packers also did not game plan for using Rodgers. Perhaps when they do they will be better able to use his skills even when the defense knows he will play.

The impact of game planning goes both ways.

What skills? Rodgers doesn't have a strong arm and he's not that accurate. In the Dallas game, he didn't do anything spectacular with his arm; his receivers, particularly Jennings, made him look good.

You mentioned making plays with his feet, his claim to fame in college was exceptional accuracy, his receivers have described a strong arm, but none of that relates to my point that you are looking at only half of the equation.

Even if you assume he has no skills (which of course is absurd for any draft pick let alone a first round draft pick) his performance can be maximized when the Packers game plan takes into consideration that he will be playing.

I will repeat, the impact of game planning goes both ways. You can't argue the opponents side of the game planning issue without considering the same from the Packers perspective. The opponents will game plan to stop a Packer team lead by Rodgers, and the Packers will game plan for offensive success with the team being run by Rodgers. The ultimate outcome may be decided by who uses their resources more successfully.

Many no skills qbs have been drafted higher than Rodgers in the past. Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, to name a few.

Game planing against a Rodgers led Packer team is as easy as ABC. 8 men in the box on early downs, blitz Rodgers into the stone age on obvious passing downs.

Favre doesn't need the Packers, the Packers need Favre.

These guys had skills, Leaf was very talented--they lacked it between the ears.

[Tankduke]

What skills? Rodgers doesn't have a strong arm and he's not that accurate..

John Clayton ESPN 06/18/08 :

Rodgers has a very strong arm. He's had the strong arm since he's been in Green Bay. The football explodes off his hand on each throw in practice. Teammates have noticed it for years because they work with or against him in practice.

GB players on Rodgers arm strength :

Watching Packers minicamp without Favre, it's impossible not to notice how impressive Rodgers looks now that No. 12 runs the offense. He has a smooth, polished retreat from center. His feet are in good position for each throw out of three- and five-step drops.

And then you take notice. His right arm sets up naturally, and the ball comes out unnaturally fast. He doesn't possess an old Randy Johnson fastball, but, in baseball terms, his 6-2 body throws the fastball of a 6-5 pitcher. Sticking to baseball comparisons, Rodgers might not generate 99 or 100 mph on the radar gun, but he'd consistently hit 94 and 95, and sometimes 96.

"He has a cannon," wide receiver Greg Jennings said. "We call him the 'Human Jugs Machine.' He throws it like a Jugs machine every time.


"He can make every throw on the football field, and his deep ball is one of the prettiest. Brett had a great deep ball, but Aaron has a beautiful one."

Jennings said there are some throws Rodgers makes that have more velocity than Favre's. As a young receiver, Jennings can only speak about Favre in his later years. "We knew that coming in that Aaron throws a lot harder, so it's not a surprise," the third-year Packer said.

All talk and no action. I've seen every Rodgers pass he threw in the few games he managed not to be injured. The guy is a bit above Brooks Bollinger when it comes to arm strength.

[Scott Campbell]

The guy is a bit above Brooks Bollinger when it comes to arm strength.

Jennings contends he throws it a bit harder than Favre.

[Scott Campbell]

All talk and no action.

Well, you do realize he's been asked by the Packers to carry a clipboard for 3 years. How much action were you expecting?

I think many players would have squawked a lot more about riding the pine for that long. Aaron stayed pretty quiet.

[mraynrand]

Tank,

I think Bill Schroeder is a better pro WR than Jordy Nelson and you can't prove me wrong. Get the point?