NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[PackerTimer]

I haven't heard ANY of the companies that [Favre] does endorsements for announce they are dropping him. When an athlete does something that the general public views as bad that is usally one of the first things you here. I don't think Brett will have any trouble getting future endorsements if he chooses to.

If there is no trade and this thing gets ugly, I wouldn't be surprised if this hurts Favre's marketability, at least in the short term. He's painting himself as a victim here, and it's not playing well with a lot of the public.

I am sure that a lot of the public is aware of what Favre has had to put up with in the last few years also. Thompson pushing out a legend who not onlyl wants to continue playing, but who also has proved that he is easily still one of the top 5 at his position, does nothing to help the franchise as far as bringing in talent. Not that we have to worry about that with Thompson anyway. You would think that the thought of trading Favre for a draft pick would have Thompson licking his chops and drooling all over the place just thinking about bringing in another Justin Harrell.

13-3?

Shadow what is that suppose to mean.

Probably that he brought enought talent for a 13-3 and NFC Championship Game run. Unfortunately for some on here, it wasn't Favre alone who got us there. He was big part of it, but TT has done a heck of a job rebuilding this team.

No it was not Favre alone that got the Pack to 13-3 last year,nor was it TT. Regardless of how much talent there was on that field last year,if you deny Brett Favre was one of the biggest factors of 13-3 you are dillusional.

It's equally delusional to pretend that TT had nothing to do with that success. I've seen people do that. I have not seen anybody pretend that BF had nothing to do with it. People are a little upset over his actions right now. But ask myself or any one of those people and they'll acknowledge what he did for this team not only last year but for the last 16. The difference is we don't see that as some sort of entitlement or right to act the way he is now.

[Gunakor]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

How are the Packers losing money on this? Because more people would buy Favre jerseys than Rodgers jerseys? Lambeau is sold out for the next 600 millenia, so the money will keep rolling in. On top of that, the NFL's shared revenue system remains in place for the next couple of seasons at least. Being in a small market does not matter. The money will be there. That doesn't worry me at all.

If you have to ask how this is costing GB money you wouldn't understand. Do you think TICKET sales is the only source of income.

You didn't answer my question. And you totally didn't read the second sentence of my response, which is I'm sure something along the lines of what you are getting at. Trust me, if Rodgers is the starter then plenty of people will spend plenty of money on Rodgers merchandise. What else could you be talking about? The media circus surrounding this deal could only bring in MORE money. Any of the other sources of income aren't going to change significantly. If at all. Fan support will remain strong regardless. So what money are you talking about that Ted is losing here?

[cpk1994]

Favre is really losing this battle with the media.

You don't watch ESPN, do you? I have never seen so much ass-kissing in my life.

I am not saying the media is the one judging, I am the one judging, and unbelievably Ted Thompson is actually sounding more balanced and level headed than Favre. Thompson is making more sense in the matter. Thats what I am saying.

And thats great, but as long he has ESPN kissing his ass and sniffing his jock, he will never lose the battle with the media.

[Bretsky]

I'm betting Bretsky would get pretty turned on by that.


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[Bretsky]

No it was not Favre alone that got the Pack to 13-3 last year,nor was it TT. Regardless of how much talent there was on that field last year,if you deny Brett Favre was one of the biggest factors of 13-3 you are dillusional.

That's what makes it so interesting to me. The Packers didn't have to move on from a good thing. They chose to. I think they are excited about the guy they have and me being an "actions speak louder than words" guy, I think it is a positive sign to Packer fans that the next QB is going to be a good one.

Very true; and if TT ditches Favre and AROD miserably fails and we are not winning there will be several volunteers to throw TT under the bus and several volunteers to drive it

[MJZiggy]

I am certain it has been posted on one of the 756 other BF threads and I will not be accused of starting 757!

Interesting are the comments by posters on the first page:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/PKR07/807150546/1058/PKR01

E.g. "Sell your tickets" hahahaha!

I know one or two posters here that would fit right in over on that thread!

I know one or two posters here that should buy those tickets!

[The Shadow]

I haven't heard ANY of the companies that [Favre] does endorsements for announce they are dropping him. When an athlete does something that the general public views as bad that is usally one of the first things you here. I don't think Brett will have any trouble getting future endorsements if he chooses to.

If there is no trade and this thing gets ugly, I wouldn't be surprised if this hurts Favre's marketability, at least in the short term. He's painting himself as a victim here, and it's not playing well with a lot of the public.

I am sure that a lot of the public is aware of what Favre has had to put up with in the last few years also. Thompson pushing out a legend who not onlyl wants to continue playing, but who also has proved that he is easily still one of the top 5 at his position, does nothing to help the franchise as far as bringing in talent. Not that we have to worry about that with Thompson anyway. You would think that the thought of trading Favre for a draft pick would have Thompson licking his chops and drooling all over the place just thinking about bringing in another Justin Harrell.

13-3?

Shadow what is that suppose to mean.

Well, when a football team goes 13-3 and is one bad pass away from going to a Super Bowl, the GM must have had at least some modicum of success with bringing in talent.

[MJZiggy]

Favre is really losing this battle with the media.

You don't watch ESPN, do you? I have never seen so much ass-kissing in my life.

I am not saying the media is the one judging, I am the one judging, and unbelievably Ted Thompson is actually sounding more balanced and level headed than Favre. Thompson is making more sense in the matter. Thats what I am saying.

And thats great, but as long he has ESPN kissing his ass and sniffing his jock, he will never lose the battle with the media.

There is every potential for him to lose that battle as soon as the fans decide that this whole thing is BS and get tired of hearing about it. And since actual Packer fans are getting sick of hearing it and Caliendo makes a living off of a man-crush for Favre, there has to be some potential for the public to tire of the drama.

[MJZiggy]

Here is something that's been bothering me all day: Favre thinks M3 and TT pressured him to retire? Pressured him to decide? Even if he hadn't had another month to think about it before his draft deadline, he's Brett Freaking Favre. He could have simply said, "no, I'm not ready to decide yet."

If the team had made any move to do ANYTHING about it, they'd have been crucified by the media.

He could have stepped onto that press conference stage amongst all the swirling doubts at the time and said, "ya know what, I know I came here to retire, but I just can't." The press would have called him a drama queen and the fans would have rejoiced. TT or M3 might have expressed an opinion, but no one held a gun to his head to either decide or hold that press conference. The blame for that decision does not fall on TT. Sorry. If Favre wants to play the "big boy" card in interviews, then he needs to man up and not blame TT for his own wrong decisions.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ziggy,

I just got home. What the heck is going on with United in the SuperLiga? I'm hoping for a dramatic comeback. I know it doesn't anything, but I want the MLS teams to win bad.

[MJZiggy]

I don't know. I don't have it on.

[Bretsky]

Chris Mortenson interviewed tonight

He thinks cooler heads will prevail, and the Packer Brass will decide that in 08 they are better off with the combo of Favre Rodgers instead of Rodgers Brohm.
Interesting take

[Pacopete4]

Chris Mortenson is annoying.. a lot of the stuff he reports seems to be really dumb, but he actually seems like a nice guy so I'll give him a break I guess

[PackerTimer]

Chris Mortenson interviewed tonight

He thinks cooler heads will prevail, and the Packer Brass will decide that in 08 they are better off with the combo of Favre Rodgers instead of Rodgers Brohm.
Interesting take

I think Mort is reaching. Did he mean some sort of QB by committe thing? I don't see Favre accepting that at all after his comments the last few nights. I also don't see him getting the job handed to him. I don't think we'll see Favre in a Packer uniform or any uniform for that matter this year.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Chris Mortenson interviewed tonight

He thinks cooler heads will prevail, and the Packer Brass will decide that in 08 they are better off with the combo of Favre Rodgers instead of Rodgers Brohm.
Interesting take

Ya, I think patching up differences is not a big obstacle.

And I think that a trade that suits both Favre and the Packers does not look likely.