NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[Pacopete4]

but we can compare Walker/McKenzie to him>>>>> DOUBLE STANDARD! ha

[Gunakor]

you guys are putting way too much in offseason work. A few months of work. Not a big deal.
People have no concept of how bad we could possibly be without Favre. Just look at Miami after Marino left.

Have a great QB doesn't happen in the offseason

Miami didn't have a plan in place for Marino's retirement. The Packers do. They've been grooming his replacement for years now.

It's not just the work that the players have done in the last couple months that is important. What about the work that TT's scouts put in while preparing for the draft? How about the work that MM and his staff have done putting together a new offense tailored to Aaron Rodgers? Is that work not important?

People like you have no concept of how GOOD we could possibly be without Favre. Just look at San Fransisco when Montana retired. And Young wasn't even drafted and groomed by the Niners to be Montana's replacement. He spent several years looking like a shit backup in Tampa before going to San Fransisco. Rodgers has been here from the start, knowing this would one day be his team to lead. He's been preparing for this for several years now. He'll come into this season every bit as prepared as Young came into the first year after Montana. Maybe even moreso.

[Gunakor]

but we can compare Walker/McKenzie to him>>>>> DOUBLE STANDARD! ha

I wasn't the one who made that comparison. Find where I did and quote me please. I never compared the two even once. They are not the same, I never said the were. You mistake me for someone else.

[packinpatland]

Favre is really losing this battle with the media. I don't think any of us here question his ability to still play the game

I think he also is ruining his chances with other teams.

Ya, Favre has a chance of reappearing in 2008 at the same high level he performed in 2007. But GMs are first of all very risk averse. Favre is 39 years old, that is one risk factor, but also he has shown himself to be a little unbalanced this offseason. If I'm a GM, I'm wondering where his head is at.

'Unbalanced' ? I thought he sounded perfectly balanced in that interview. The unbalanced one is TT.......taking out his locker and shipping it to MS? That's just weird.

[Deputy Nutz]

Favre is really losing this battle with the media.

You don't watch ESPN, do you? I have never seen so much ass-kissing in my life.

I am not saying the media is the one judging, I am the one judging, and unbelievably Ted Thompson is actually sounding more balanced and level headed than Favre. Thompson is making more sense in the matter. Thats what I am saying.

[Deputy Nutz]

After last night,

you are on my permanent shit list. your performance last night was disgraceful - questioning my manhood and JustinHarrel's intelligence. Not unlike Brett Favre's pathetic display last night, I think you have now soiled your nest here at packerrats. Leave.

Who do I get to take with me? Make me a list, I must request Sheephead. He is simply such a good time I don't know if I could make it without him.

I am not the first one to question either of those two thing by the way.

[Gunakor]

Favre is really losing this battle with the media. I don't think any of us here question his ability to still play the game

I think he also is ruining his chances with other teams.

Ya, Favre has a chance of reappearing in 2008 at the same high level he performed in 2007. But GMs are first of all very risk averse. Favre is 39 years old, that is one risk factor, but also he has shown himself to be a little unbalanced this offseason. If I'm a GM, I'm wondering where his head is at.

'Unbalanced' ? I thought he sounded perfectly balanced in that interview. The unbalanced one is TT.......taking out his locker and shipping it to MS? That's just weird.

I'm not as concerned with how balanced he seemed in that interview as how UNbalanced he's seemed all offseason. One week he's retired, then a couple weeks later he wants back in, then a week after that he changes his mind again, then a couple months after that wants back in again...

[Packerarcher]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

[Lurker64]

The Packers only lose money if Favre comes back. I understand the hope of the entire Packers organization (not just TT) is that Brett Favre stays retired and eventually becomes happy with that choice. If that's what happens, nobody loses.

[Bossman641]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

I see it the exact opposite way.

Who has more to lose, Favre or the Packers. The Packers. They are already a small market team in an area that is not looked at very favorably by rich, young athletes. Why would the Packers put out the details they have unless they have the material to back them up? That’s a pretty big risk, and quite a gamble to take. If Favre had some big bombshell to drop and frame them as liars, I think he would do it. From his comments, it already looks like he is burning bridges, why would he hold back if he could exploit the organization as liars. Who knows, maybe it is coming tonight.

[Gunakor]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

How are the Packers losing money on this? Because more people would buy Favre jerseys than Rodgers jerseys? Lambeau is sold out for the next 600 millenia, so the money will keep rolling in. On top of that, the NFL's shared revenue system remains in place for the next couple of seasons at least. Being in a small market does not matter. The money will be there. That doesn't worry me at all.

[The Shadow]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

Well, his name, legacy, and reputation are suffering terrible hits.
Money from future endorsements has to be flushing away.
His mystique was always as a player somewhat above the rest.
That is most certainly gone now for good.

[Packerarcher]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

How are the Packers losing money on this? Because more people would buy Favre jerseys than Rodgers jerseys? Lambeau is sold out for the next 600 millenia, so the money will keep rolling in. On top of that, the NFL's shared revenue system remains in place for the next couple of seasons at least. Being in a small market does not matter. The money will be there. That doesn't worry me at all.

If you have to ask how this is costing GB money you wouldn't understand. Do you think TICKET sales is the only source of income.

[Packerarcher]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

Well, his name, legacy, and reputation are suffering terrible hits.
Money from future endorsements has to be flushing away.
His mystique was always as a player somewhat above the rest.
That is most certainly gone now for good.

I haven't heard ANY of the companies that he does endorsements for announce they are dropping him. When an athlete does something that the general public views as bad that is usally one of the first things you here. I don't think Brett will have any trouble getting future endorsements if he chooses to.

[PackerTimer]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

I posted this last night and I truly beleive it. The Packer Management specifacially TT is not telling the whole truth. No matter what the situation/problem is when it comes to a business at the end of things it comes down to money. Sure Brett probably would not mind the 12 mill from playing another year. But he really has nothing to gain by lying,do you honestly think Brett Favre will not be ok $ wise if he does not play this year. However Green Bay looses money big time when something like this happens,even more so if they look like the big bad guys. TT and the Packer organization will put their spin on this to make themselves look better. THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG TIME MONEY ON THIS,and as JH is so fond of saying, for TT this is only a business. People LIE in BIG business everyday,TT is after all an EXECUTIVE not a coach. Beleive who you want,but if nothing else makes you see the light the money issue should. Brett Favre is losing NONE,the Packers well they are now and who knows how much in the future. Not that TT would tell the TRUTH about it,he may want to go 2 for 2 on Exec of the year.

First, I take a completely opposite approach. Favre and his camp have been less than truthful through this whole ordeal. Last night he kept on citing the backup plan. That was NEVER said by TT. Never. Not once. It was a misunderstood quote that he cleared up right away. It's just one more example of the half truths we've been hearing from them all along. They are trying to twist and distort what he said to suit their agenda, i.e, you'll be the backup which is not what he said. It sounds like something you'd hear from McCain and Obama.

Second, I think that maybe......ahhhh......it possibly could be something like 13 million dollars.