Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

[Patler]

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

[Charles Woodson]

Could go ethier way. Brett's shit sure isn't helping the situation though.

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Perhaps.

But it is highly unlikely a green as grass Rodgers is going to get the Packers to a home playoff game in January...so putting the cart in front of the horse in that regard seems kind of dumb.

Favre threw one bad toss against the Giants. He also played just as well as Manning in the rest of the game, especially considering Favre had no running game supporting him. He played incredibly well the week before in cold weather...clearly not bitterly cold like the NFCC game.

The difference wasn't Favre/Manning...it was the Giants OL compared to our OL. They could pound the ball down our throats...and we couldn't manage to gain a yard.

[sheepshead]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

duh?

[Patler]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

But it is highly unlikely a green as grass Rodgers is going to get the Packers to a home playoff game in January...so putting the cart in front of the horse in that regard seems kind of dumb.

Maybe they just have a lot of faith in the strength of the rest of the team. Maybe they think Rodgers is good enough that he will not cause them to lose, and the team is good enough that they will not need Favre to win.

[Patler]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The difference wasn't Favre/Manning...it was the Giants OL compared to our OL. They could pound the ball down our throats...and we couldn't manage to gain a yard.

Can't the same be said for the difference in the Seattle/GB game? GB ran consistently and extremely well the entire game. Seattle didn't.

Maybe Rodgers would have achieved no worse results in either game.

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

Maybe they just have a lot of faith in the strength of the rest of the team.

Again...the same team that fell apart against the Giants just as much, and probably more, than Favre did?

I don't see the logic here as being very sound. If you took a poll of all NFL GMs on this situation...just asking them who was the better option for GB at QB in 2008, the overwhelming choice would be Favre. They would LAUGH at the notion that Rodgers is a better choice having no experience. These GMs try to get by with QBs like Tavaris Jackson or Rex Grossman or Mark Brunell or any of the numerous guys that can't even hold a candle to Favre.

If they had a QB of Favre's stature in their system, they'd hold onto him like gold.

Honestly...are some of you actually trying to convince yourself otherwise?

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

Can't the same be said for the difference in the Seattle/GB game? GB ran consistently and extremely well the entire game. Seattle didn't.

C'mon Patler. You know damn well that Favre's leadership in the face of a 14-0 deficit was huge. He took the Packers down the field for a score with his arm doing all the work.

THAT was what really set up the Packer running game in the Seattle game. THAT was what gave the team confidence to rack up 6 straight TD drives.

And no...I don't think Rodgers could provide that kind of leadership under pressure in 2008. Perhaps down the road...but not in 2008.

[packinpatland]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Perhaps.

But it is highly unlikely a green as grass Rodgers is going to get the Packers to a home playoff game in January...so putting the cart in front of the horse in that regard seems kind of dumb.

Favre threw one bad toss against the Giants. He also played just as well as Manning in the rest of the game, especially considering Favre had no running game supporting him. He played incredibly well the week before in cold weather...clearly not bitterly cold like the NFCC game.

The difference wasn't Favre/Manning...it was the Giants OL compared to our OL. They could pound the ball down our throats...and we couldn't manage to gain a yard.

And the fact that the play calling seemed to forget who Ryan Grant was....and that we had a running game.

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

And the fact that the play calling seemed to forget who Ryan Grant was....and that we had a running game.

Exactly.

Laying the bulk of the blame on Favre for the loss to the Giants is lunacy. Sure, he deserves plenty of blame for that final throw...it was a turd. But numerous other turds were laid that day well before Favre's final throw...and all contributed to the loss. There were poor coaching decisions, dropped passes, poor blocking...you name it.

Let's be honest...the Packers as a team were not as experienced or mentally tough as the Giants, and it showed.

That is why I can't understand the notion that getting rid of Favre is in the best interest of the team. The team gained a ton of experience in that run last year...and is ready to reload in 2008. So you decide to throw that all away and put an untested QB in to lead them...so we are back to square one?

It makes no sense to me. None.

[Carolina_Packer]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

[Patler]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

C'mon Patler. You know damn well that Favre's leadership in the face of a 14-0 deficit was huge. He took the Packers down the field for a score with his arm doing all the work.

THAT was what really set up the Packer running game in the Seattle game. THAT was what gave the team confidence to rack up 6 straight TD drives.

And no...I don't think Rodgers could provide that kind of leadership under pressure in 2008. Perhaps down the road...but not in 2008.

Naw, the passing game didn't set up the running game, it was already set to go. They had run two plays, picked up 8 on the first and 6 on the second before Grant fumbled in their second possession. Grant had a 4 yard gain on the second play of the first scoring drive. He had carried 3 times for 18 yards and Favre had thrown only 2 passes at that point, the pass on the first possession that Grant fumbled, and one to Jennings on the first play of the scoring drive. Favre only threw three more passes in that drive. He threw just 4 in total in the drive, and three of the 4 completions were more of the "catch and run" variety that others could have thrown.

Favre's leadership was important, but after 16 games as a starter, another talented QB can also be a leader.

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

Naw, the passing game didn't set up the running game, it was already set to go.

True...because of Seattle's undersized front 7.

If we could face that kind of defense outside of their friendly home environment every week of the year, I wouldn't mind making Flynn our starting QB.

Make no mistake...we need a far stronger performance from our OL on a consistent basis to be a true title contender.

[cpk1994]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

[Patler]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

Make no mistake...we need a far stronger performance from our OL on a consistent basis to be a true title contender.

Can't disagree with that at all. And now it looks like we may have to have concerns about the D-line as well, Williams gone, Jolly possible gone or at least distracted, Harrell having back surgery...... How good is Muir??????