Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

[The Leaper]

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

Well, Green Bay is more than able to welcome him back under the condition that 2008 is the last hurrah, so there would be no need to have to go through this next year.

Also, the rest of the team already knows that Favre is above them. Are they on the cover of Madden? Are they going to have their number retired inside of Lambeau? The notion that this is some communist system in the NFL where everyone is viewed the same is bullshit. Favre is a legend...and with that comes a level of respect and privilege that others guys probably won't get.

It is the same in any other professional profession...it isn't like football is any different from being a doctor or a police man. There are always people at the bottom of the totem pole and people at the top.

Life ain't fair. Get used to it.

[3irty1]

Its a legit thought.

The reasons why Favre is the ultimate Packer go way beyond his production on the field though. Time stands still at Lambeau and things like toughness, leadership, and clutchness are not just buzzwords in Green Bay.

Rodgers seems to be a leader and a great team mate and played great in what might as well have been the super bowl from Aaron's perspective against the Cowboys. He's as good of a future QB as you could ask for but I still think you go with the proven guy. Plus there's something fitting about having to drag Favre off the field after 16 years of seeing how much he loves what he does.

[MadtownPacker]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

Carolina threw down a well thought out post with ways of working things out and all you can do is repeat you tired ass BS and tell him to stick his head in someones ass???

[cpk1994]

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

Well, Green Bay is more than able to welcome him back under the condition that 2008 is the last hurrah, so there would be no need to have to go through this next year.

Also, the rest of the team already knows that Favre is above them. Are they on the cover of Madden? Are they going to have their number retired inside of Lambeau? The notion that this is some communist system in the NFL where everyone is viewed the same is bullshit. Favre is a legend...and with that comes a level of respect and privilege that others guys probably won't get.

It is the same in any other professional profession...it isn't like football is any different from being a doctor or a police man. There are always people at the bottom of the totem pole and people at the top.

Life ain't fair. Get used to it.

That is elitest BS. THat is plain and simple Brett Favre jock sniffing and ass kissing logic right there. Its is not similar to a Doctor or a policeman. Being a football player requires 52 others to do your job. In other words a TEAM effort. A policeman or a Doctor can to their job by themselvess without help.. Bad comparison.
Regardless of what he has accomplished, no one deserves speical treatment. This is about whats best for the GREEN BAY PACKERS. Whats best for the TEAM, as determined by the people in charge. In running a TEAM, being on the Madden cover makies no fucking dfiierence. Do you think that TT or any GM gives a rats ass who is on that cover? Hell no. In running a TEAM, retiring a RETIRED players number makes no fucking difference. Allowing someone to come back in and take a position after giving it up for retirement, and even after agreeing to give back to him and he changes his mind and refuses a SECOND time, is assinine. You need to quit sniffing Favre's jock. It is leaving you brain damaged.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think you might be onto something, Patler. However, until Rodgers proves he can stay healthy for 16 games, it's a tough opinion to agree with. With Favre, you knew that he'd be there every game--giving you a chance to win. Favre's mannerisms in many of his recent cold weather games had me worried. He used to own cold weather. Recently, it looked like he'd rather be somewhere else.

[cpk1994]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

Carolina threw down a well thought out post with ways of working things out and all you can do is repeat you tired ass BS and tell him to stick his head in someones ass???

I told him to get it OUT of Brett's ass not stick it in. And its only tired to those who believe "Lord Favre' can do no wrong and worship at his altar and sniff his jock.

[Carolina_Packer]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

As well as Brett has been known to rip them, I don't have my head anywhere near there.

It's easy to say, show your toughness TT, be the man, make him sit, blah, blah, blah...guess what? People want to have a great GM, but people don't often wax poetic about what a GM means to a team, unless you are really into GM's vs. players. They are sentimental about players, they wear their jerseys, the follow their careers as the relationship/legacy builds between fans and player. This ain't some washed up guy who can't let it go. If he were Kenny Stabler embarrassing himself with the Saints, I'd be the first one to say I hope he goes, but I don't.

Wanting him back is for a lot of reasons. You look at punishing him for being indecisive and "diva-ish". I think his indecision was inconvenient and likely annoying, and makes it hard to plan, but so what? Hasn't Brett built up enough capital over the years to screw up something and be forgiven? Either you play him because you think he gives you the best chance to win or you trade/release him because you don't. The organization will do what it's inclined to do, but I hope it's neither trade or release. Geez, just be the bigger person, hold out an olive branch and say, this is crazy. Let's just step back from the brink and think about what we are doing. Just because they drew a line in the sand doesn't mean that they can't change their collective minds. I'm sure they are mulling over how this is going to play out for everyone's legacy. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong if to many, many people you are known/perceived as the ones who didn't let Brett come back and play, and couldn't patch things up with him.

If Favre was a washed up guy and the fans knew it, but Brett didn't, well that would be something else. This is a situation that we are in by virtue of having a franchise, all-time HOF'er and I guess that means that we have to live with some of this at the end of his career. Is it fair? Maybe not, but I'll take Brett as a double standard over Rodgers. He's earned more in my bank than Rodgers (and I like Rodgers and think he could be something). Part of it is the history, sure. Part of it is wanting him to play again, but from a purely football standpoint of wins/losses/success, I say bury the hatchet, take a new tact...you don't have to kiss his ass, and you can acknowledge what you haven't liked in all this, but you gotta come up with, we signed you, you can still play, the fans (most) love you as an all-time great and we will not let it go down this way. If Brett's worst crime is indecision and lack of good communication, then forgive him and get him back out there to start. What he's done is not beyond repair, nor should a false line in the sand from management prevent that. See the light on this one, not just to placate Brett or the fans, but as the smartest wins/losses decision you can make. I'd rather err on the side of bringing Brett back and having him lose it and still have Rodgers to take over, rather than making Rodgers the only option now that Brett wants to return.

[3irty1]

I think you might be onto something, Patler. However, until Rodgers proves he can stay healthy for 16 games, it's a tough opinion to agree with. With Favre, you knew that he'd be there every game--giving you a chance to win. Favre's mannerisms in many of his recent cold weather games had me worried. He used to own cold weather. Recently, it looked like he'd rather be somewhere else.

I didn't see anyone else look like they really wanted to be there either. Those were some super cold games. I'm not convinced Favre is a liability in cold weather.

[cpk1994]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

As well as Brett has been known to rip them, I don't have my head anywhere near there.

It's easy to say, show your toughness TT, be the man, make him sit, blah, blah, blah...guess what? People want to have a great GM, but people don't often wax poetic about what a GM means to a team, unless you are really into GM's vs. players. They are sentimental about players, they wear their jerseys, the follow their careers as the relationship/legacy builds between fans and player. This ain't some washed up guy who can't let it go. If he were Kenny Stabler embarrassing himself with the Saints, I'd be the first one to say I hope he goes, but I don't.

Wanting him back is for a lot of reasons. You look at punishing him for being indecisive and "diva-ish". I think his indecision was inconvenient and likely annoying, and makes it hard to plan, but so what? Hasn't Brett built up enough capital over the years to screw up something and be forgiven? Either you play him because you think he gives you the best chance to win or you trade/release him because you don't. The organization will do what it's inclined to do, but I hope it's neither trade or release. Geez, just be the bigger person, hold out an olive branch and say, this is crazy. Let's just step back from the brink and think about what we are doing. Just because they drew a line in the sand doesn't mean that they can't change their collective minds. I'm sure they are mulling over how this is going to play out for everyone's legacy. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong if to many, many people you are known/perceived as the ones who didn't let Brett come back and play, and couldn't patch things up with him.

If Favre was a washed up guy and the fans knew it, but Brett didn't, well that would be something else. This is a situation that we are in by virtue of having a franchise, all-time HOF'er and I guess that means that we have to live with some of this at the end of his career. Is it fair? Maybe not, but I'll take Brett as a double standard over Rodgers. He's earned more in my bank than Rodgers. Part of it is the history, sure. Part of it is wanting him to play again, but from a purely football standpoint of wins/losses/success, I say bury the hatchet, take a new tact...you don't have to kiss his ass, and you can acknowledge what you haven't liked in all this, but you gotta come up with, we signed you, you can still play, the fans (most) love you as an all-time great and we will not let it go down this way. If Brett's worst crime is indecision and lack of good communication, then forgive him and get him back out there to start. What he's done is not beyond repair, nor should a false line in the sand from management prevent that. See the light on this one, not just to placate Brett or the fans, but as the smartest wins/losses decision you can make. I'd rather err on the side of bringing Brett back and having him lose it and still have Rodgers to take over, rather than making Rodgers the only option now that Brett wants to return.

NO he hasn't earned enough capital becuase he has been this fore the last 5 years. As a GM, at some point you have to draw the line. AFter he retire, changed his mind and wanted to play, changed his mind again and said he was still retired, and now changes his mind a THIRD time and wants to play, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. No matter what your accomplishments are. Giving in to him now and reinstalling himas the starte sets a bad predicent. It tells the young guys that less than 100% commitment is not neccessary. That you can come and play whenever you feel like it, and we will leave your position warm for you even at the expense of another player ho has put in the 100% commitment form the beginning. You call it punishing, I call it ending the bullshit once and for all.

[The Leaper]

That is elitest BS. THat is plain and simple Brett Favre jock sniffing and ass kissing logic right there. Its is not similar to a Doctor or a policeman. Being a football player requires 52 others to do your job. In other words a TEAM effort. A policeman or a Doctor can to their job by themselvess without help.. Bad comparison.

Are you nuts? Policemen and doctors rely on others in every aspect of their profession. Claiming otherwise makes you look like a real moron.

Sure, the police officer is the one who gets the bulk of the credit...but the trained dispatcher sitting in some windowless room somewhere is just as important to maintaining law and order as the officer is. Without knowing where crimes are being committed, the police officer is useless.

The same goes for doctors...who rely on other specialists and nurses to do a myriad of tasks that allow the doctors to carry out what they do efficiently and effectively. What good would a doctor be if there wasn't an ambulance driver to get an injured person to the hospital?

[cpk1994]

That is elitest BS. THat is plain and simple Brett Favre jock sniffing and ass kissing logic right there. Its is not similar to a Doctor or a policeman. Being a football player requires 52 others to do your job. In other words a TEAM effort. A policeman or a Doctor can to their job by themselvess without help.. Bad comparison.

Are you nuts? Policemen and doctors rely on others in every aspect of their profession. Claiming otherwise makes you look like a real moron.

Sure, the police officer is the one who gets the bulk of the credit...but the trained dispatcher sitting in some windowless room somewhere is just as important to maintaining law and order as the officer is. Without knowing where crimes are being committed, the police officer is useless.

The same goes for doctors...who rely on other specialists and nurses to do a myriad of tasks that allow the doctors to carry out what they do efficiently and effectively. What good would a doctor be if there wasn't an ambulance driver to get an injured person to the hospital?

A doctor doen't need anyone to give patients physicals. A policeman gives me a speeding ticket without relying on anyone else. They CAN do their job without help for the most part. The QB cannot do his job without help AT ALL. Your argument is still BS.

[texaspackerbacker]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Make that Thompson, McCarthy, and ME. I've been saying all along, the team can do more things and do them more consistently with Rodgers, even being a little bit green than with Favre as he is and was last season--and it's highly unlikely he will be near as good as last season--whoever he might play for.

And I disagree about the Giants game. Our OLine and Defense were what they were all season--good enough to beat almost anybody, but NOT good enough to compensate for a really bad game by Favre--at least not against a fairly good team playing way over their heads.

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

And I disagree about the Giants game. Our OLine and Defense were what they were all season--good enough to beat almost anybody, but NOT good enough to compensate for a really bad game by Favre--at least not against a fairly good team playing way over their heads.

Grant having 13 carries for 29 yards (2.23 avg) is your definition of a running game good enough to beat almost anybody?

A defense giving up 11 catches and 154 yards in poor passing conditions to Plaxico Burress and giving up 134 yards on the ground to the Giants running game is your definition of a defense good enough to beat almost anybody?

Yikes. You must not have been watching the same game I saw.

[Carolina_Packer]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

Carolina threw down a well thought out post with ways of working things out and all you can do is repeat you tired ass BS and tell him to stick his head in someones ass???

I told him to get it OUT of Brett's ass not stick it in. And its only tired to those who believe "Lord Favre' can do no wrong and worship at his altar and sniff his jock.

I don't do dudes, dude. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I've never said Brett was blameless, and yeah, it is annoying to go into off-seasons and wonder if you're going to have him there or not. He's the one who pays the price and puts in all the time and sacrifices his body, and I'm sure that every year that you get closer to the end of your career it's that much harder to decide because your brain may say, don't do it, but your heart might be more into it. Unfortunately it's taken him longer this year to make up his mind. I'm sure there was no malice, like, "let's see how much I can piss off the Packers and make them wait." I presume that TT and MM still think he can play, so that hasn't changed. The only thing that really has is his commitment level. So, are we really going to have Brett out the door over something that didn't have to rise to the level of Brett possibly being unceremoniously dumped? Nobody is immune from blame here; it all could have been handled better, however, we are where we are, and if the front office wants to keep the impasse going, they have to live with whatever backlash and results they receive, and the legacy that they are the ones who were at the helm when he was traded/released (I hope it never comes to pass). Find a way, TT, forgive your prodigal hilbilly and bring him back as the starter and let's not let things end this way.

[texaspackerbacker]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

And I disagree about the Giants game. Our OLine and Defense were what they were all season--good enough to beat almost anybody, but NOT good enough to compensate for a really bad game by Favre--at least not against a fairly good team playing way over their heads.

Grant having 13 carries for 29 yards (2.23 avg) is your definition of a running game good enough to beat almost anybody?

A defense giving up 11 catches and 154 yards in poor passing conditions to Plaxico Burress and giving up 134 yards on the ground to the Giants running game is your definition of a defense good enough to beat almost anybody?

Yikes. You must not have been watching the same game I saw.

You wouldn't agree that Grant's lack of production was because they loaded up to stop the run, and Favre couldn't take advantage?

Agreed, the defense wasn't up to standard that day, but that had happened a few other times and we won anyway with Grant, Favre, the receivers, and the O Line outgunning opponents.