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    Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy says even he doesn't know how the Brett Favre unretirement saga will play out over the next few days. But he does know this: Aaron Rodgers is his starting quarterback.

    In his season-opening news conference at Lambeau Field on Saturday, McCarthy made a firm commitment to Rodgers and reiterated that the team committed to moving forward after Favre retired in March.

    McCarthy acknowledged the possibility that Favre, who is having serious second thoughts about his football future, could report to training camp with the rest of the team and even be in uniform for their first practice Monday morning. But he'll have to file for reinstatement with the league first, then pass a physical.

    Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy says even he doesn't know how the Brett Favre unretirement saga will play out over the next few days. But he does know this: Aaron Rodgers is his starting quarterback.

    The NFL Network reported Friday morning that Favre told Packers general manager Ted Thompson he plans to report to training camp and could file his reinstatement letter as early as Friday, a move perhaps designed to force the team to quickly trade the three-time MVP.

    Speculation on a potential new home for Favre has centered on Tampa Bay, but the New York Jets also are emerging as a potential trade partner for the Packers. Jets quarterback Chad Pennington said Friday that general manager Mike Tannenbaum told him the team has talked to the Packers about Favre.

    It didn't sound like Tannenbaum assured Pennington that the Jets aren't interested.

    "Bottom line, an organization has to take a look at every player available in this league. Period," Pennington said. "A general manager and a head coach is going to do everything they can do to make their team as good as they can make it. That's their job."

    Tannenbaum would not confirm conversations with the Packers.

    Pennington, who already is competing with Kellen Clemens for the starting job in Jets camp, said he wasn't overreacting to the Jets' potential trade for Favre.

    "My whole focus is on this camp," Pennington said. "Winning this starting quarterback battle, so I don't really have any thoughts. It's part of the business: speculation, calls, one organization calling another about players. There's nothing to be said. As a player, you never react until it's actually done."

    Earlier Friday, Jets coach Eric Mangini dodged questions about the team's interest in Favre.

    "I'm happy with the quarterbacks we have and we look at a lot of different scenarios every night," Mangini said. "And trust me when I tell you that we look into a lot of different scenarios every night. It's just normal operating procedure for us."

    That's just about the only thing normal in the ongoing saga surrounding Favre's football future. And if he follows through with his intention to show up to camp, Favre would likely become an even bigger distraction to a team that's spent the past several offseasons dealing with his constant waffling on whether to retire.

    The Packers committed to moving on with Aaron Rodgers after Favre retired in early March, led them to believe he was coming back in late March, then decided to stay retired -- until he apparently changed his mind once again in recent weeks.

    In an interview with Fox News last week, Favre said it was "tempting" to show up to Packers camp to call the Packers' "bluff."

    But, Favre added: "I don't want to go back there just to stick it to them."

    Packers president and CEO Mark Murphy reiterated Thursday that if Favre were to return to the Packers, it would be in "a different role" -- presumably not as the starter.

    "But what's going to happen if that occurs, we'll have to look and see the situation at the time," Murphy said, speaking with reporters after Thursday's Packers shareholders meeting. "That's a little bit of a technicality. But I guess there's two questions. We have said we would welcome him back. But whether he will come back is another question. And a lot of it goes back to, we want to work with Brett, and be fair to him and help give him what he wants,"

    Once Favre's request to be reinstated is approved by the commissioner, the Packers must place him on their active roster or release him. Thompson has said the team has no plans to release Favre.

    The Packers have filed tampering charges against the Minnesota Vikings, suspecting that interest from their division rival was the main reason Favre suddenly changed his mind on retirement.

    Favre's rights belong to the Packers until his contract expires after the 2010 season.

    Favre ripped Thompson during the interview for being untruthful with him on a series of personnel moves in recent years. But Murphy said Thursday he didn't think a potential return by Favre would cause tension within the team.

    "I don't think so," Murphy said. "We have such respect for Brett and what he's meant to this organization, there will be no tension. But that's a call that Ted and Mike have to make."


  • #2
    Other notes from MM press conference http://www.packers.com/news/blogs/packerscom_blog/

    Head Coach Mike McCarthy did not have any update on the situation with Brett Favre on Saturday, except to say that neither he, the organization, nor the league office has received confirmation from Favre that he plans to report to training camp on Sunday.

    McCarthy did not get into too many hypotheticals, but he did say that if Favre applies for reinstatement and reports to camp, he would need to pass his physical and an additional workout and would then join the team on the practice field. He did not divulge any plan for giving Favre practice snaps as a backup to Aaron Rodgers.

    "Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. I’ve stated it over and over again, and I hope we can understand that," McCarthy said. "That’s where I am as head coach of the Green Bay Packers."

    Other comments from McCarthy’s season-opening press conference:

    (on Favre’s retirement)
    "We’ve moved on since Day 1, March 17 (the start of the offseason program), and that’s as a football team. We’ve been preparing every member of our football team to move forward."

    "It’s time to coach. That’s where I’m at."

    (on having spoken to Rodgers two or three times in the past several weeks)
    "He knows where we stand. This is a great opportunity for him, and he has the full support of the organization."

    (on his message to the team Sunday)
    "I want them to focus on how confident and strong we felt as a football team when we walked out those doors June 19 (at the conclusion of mini-camp)."

    "I can’t ask anything more than the football team has given us in the offseason program. We asked for more time and more commitment, and we were able to hit those targets. On June 19, everyone felt great about our football team, and when we get together tomorrow, we have to pick up from there."

    (on Ryan Grant’s contract situation)
    "I am concerned, because missing OTAs is different than missing training camp practices. Both sides are working diligently to get this business matter resolved. I’m hopeful we’ll get it resolved here soon."

    McCarthy also noted that Johnny Jolly’s legal issue in Houston will not prevent him from reporting to camp on Sunday, though Jolly could be limited in practice initially due to his recovery from shoulder surgery.

    Among other injured players, McCarthy said Justin Harrell (back) would probably be week-to-week, but he didn’t foresee any problems with Colin Cole (forearm), Will Blackmon (foot) and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (knee) being able to practice. All players will be taking physicals on Sunday.

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    • #3
      Respect to McCarthy; I'm joining the Mike III bandwagon
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      • #4
        Quote from McCarthy:

        "It’s time to coach. That’s where I’m at."

        Awesome; made my day!
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        • #5
          * McCarthy hedged quite a bit when pressed about what will happen if Favre shows up, but it sounds like the quarterback would have to pass a physical, then spend some time working on the side with the rehab group before he would be cleared to practice. If he gets through that, he could practice. McCarthy wouldn't directly address those hypotheticals, though, noting repeatedly that Favre first must apply for reinstatement. Favre still hasn't told McCarthy "specifically" that he's 100 percent sure he'll play this season, nor that he'll report.



          This is kind of what I was hoping for. They can keep him in the Don Hutson Center for about a week or three to work him into shape. This keeps him away from the team and away from the offense. Then when the team feels he's ready "hopefully never" They can trot him out there. TC is only a few weeks long so hopefully they can stall enough to get him on another team.
          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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          • #6
            Last year the Patriots dealt week in and week out with the spygate drama. Players were called cheaters, Moss had assult charges filed and through all of it the team just binded together and fought adversity. I didn't want Brett to show up, but now I want him to do it to prove the Packers aren't going to flinch. Also, I don't think it will tear them apart. I think it will help them learn to deal with adversity and show them how not to act if you have success in your career.

            They can give him his own room without a roomate and his own lockerroom away from the team like he used to have and his old parking spot "away from the team". This could work out quite well for everyone.
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #7


              * Players are required to report by 7:30 a.m. Sunday. They'll undergo physicals in the morning, have an administrative meeting in the afternoon and a football meeting at night. The first practice is at 8:45 a.m. Monday.

              * GM Ted Thompson will make the first of his weekly media addresses Monday afternoon.

              Now, here's what Packers coach Mike McCarthy is saying in his pre-camp media conference ...

              * On Brett Favre: "I really don't have anything to update, as far as where he is."

              * If Favre shows up: "The first step is reinstatement, and the second is he would be a part of his 80-man roster, and we'll go from there."

              * There have been conversations between Favre and Ted Thompson, but he has not confirmed he is coming to training camp.

              * He talked to Favre "for quite awhile" at last week's Packers Hall of Fame banquet. They texted yesterday, but nothing substantive.

              * "Aaron Rodgers is the starting quarterback for the Green Bay Packers." He's a little annoyed answering the question.

              * On when he knew it was Rodgers' team, he says of Favre: "Thinking and committing are two different scenarios, and we've moved forward as a football team."

              * On trade talks with Jets and Bucs: "Those are not conversations for me. ... We never talk about trade talks, potential player acquisitions or anything. ... Right now the options are clear, and right now, I'm getting ready to coach the 80 guys on our roster."

              * Favre ever said 100 percent committed and will play? "Not specifically as you just stated. I think he's going through a lot, as far as making his decision. ... I'm not here to speak for Brett Favre."

              * He jokes about watching ESPN all summer. "I'm trying to get you off my butt here."

              * How much spoke with Aaron Rodgers: "I've spoken with Aaron a couple times ... two, three times. ... He knows where we stand. It's a great opportunity for him, and he has the full support of the organization."

              * Who gives better chance to win in 2008: Avoids question, says it's more complicated than that.

              * On what he'll tell the team: "The first thing I want to remind them is how confident and how strong we felt as a team when we walked out those doors ... June 19. ... I will address the Brett Favre situation with the football team."

              * On how hard to keep from being a distraction if Favre shows: "It'll be a challenge, there's no doubt about it." Never experienced anything like it. "I promise you we'll have a plan for it."

              * Just talked to Al Harris, said did good job with his media appearances addressing Favre. Concerned about difference of opinion in locker room? "I don't think it's the huge concern, because it will not be the first time" there's been a disagreement. Communication is key. "It will be discussed. The direction will be made clear to everybody, and then everybody will be held accountable to move in that direction. It's as simple as that."

              * Timetable for final resolution? "I do not have an answer for you."

              * No concrete plans for reps if Favre shows, but it's been discussed. Note: We are 11+ minutes in, and all questions have been about Favre.

              * This process been draining? "It's part of my job responsibility." Doesn't like talking on phone that much, but that's the way it is.

              * Tailoring offense to Rodgers' strengths isn't the big factor in not wanting Favre back.

              * If Favre is reinstated and passes physical, they'll "evaluate where he is" physically, put him in rehab program, etc. Favre has not worked out with API. Concerned about condition? "He's genetically gifted. ... That's something I'd wait to have an opinion on."

              * His recollection of June 20 talk with Favre is different than Favre's. Wasn't confirmed he wanted to come back. "It's a process that none of us wanted to go through, but it's never easy ... it's not like Brett Favre called me up and I said "No, you can't play."

              * He offers $50 for a question not about Favre. He gets another question about Favre.

              * On Johnny Jolly: He's going through rehab. Doesn't have anything to report on legal issue. Court date Tuesday was postponed. He says he hopes the $50 thing doesn't violate the gambling policy. He was quite clearly joking about it.

              * Team hit targets through offseason, even with extra work because of condensed training camp schedule. On excitement for camp: "Can't happen soon enough."

              * Did Favre stuff take by surprise? "It's gone on so long for me personally, so I can't really call it by surprise. ... The way it's gone has been disappointing. ... I don't think this is necessary, why we're here today ..."

              * On Ryan Grant being unsigned: "I am concerned, because missing OTAs is a lot different than missing training-camp practices." Both sides are working diligently. "I'm hopeful we'll get it resolved here soon." Has not seen Grant, doesn't know if he's in town.

              * Safe to say if Favre shows, he'll be in uniform and will practice. "That's probably a good approach, yeah."

              * On Brian Brohm: He was holding the ball a lot in offseason practices, but it was part of the learning process. Never had a rookie QB pick up the mental side as quickly. "He just needs reps like every young quarterback."

              * On whether Jolly will report: "Johnny will report tomorrow, is my understanding." Physically, they'll probably be smart with him because of his shoulder injury.

              * On Justin Harrell: "He's not ready yet." He'll be week-to-week. That does not sound good.

              * On reps for rookies if Favre shows: "I'm not there yet." It's a hypothetical, he would have to work through it.

              * On whether Favre's locker still in place: "There's a locker there." Doesn't think it got shipped.

              * Harrell on PUP? "I'll know more tomorrow." Saw him yesterday, talked to Dr. Pat McKenzie briefly. McKenzie said he'd be week-to-week.

              * On other injured guys: Cole probably fine. Blackmon ready to go. KGB was running Thursday in SwimEx, looks ready to go.

              * On Favre ripping Thompson on national TV: Will keep taking high road.

              * This is biggest challenge faced. "Time, committment of time. It's about winning football games. There's been a large time committment to this."

              * Any chance Favre would be QB again? "You never say ever. Once again, he's on reserve/retired, and if he (applies), he'll be a part of our roster. That's about as far as we can go."

              * Anything would do different with Favre? "We've talked about a number of times doing an autopsy of this situation, because I think there are so many lessons to learn from this." Communication must be looked at -- potential problem. "There's no script for this. ... I think as an organization ... we've handled it the right way in terms of doing the right thing for the Green Bay Packers and (respecting) Brett Favre and his career."

              * Think fans are understanding Packers' direction, and how much matter? "I know if I was a fan on the outside looking in, you don't have all the facts. ... I just hope they respect the fact that we're going about this in the positive manner ... with the Packers' best interests at hand. ... They can disagree. That's OK. I'm not going to sit here and say I've made every decision that's correct. ... I respect their passion. I respect everything about our fans; there's nothing like them."

              * Fair to say direction of team tailored to Rodgers, if not offense? "Moving forward as a football team is really the identity of the football team. Brett Favre's had an incredible career. ... The football team has moved forward with the emphasis on defense, because that's what I believe in. ... The defense will be our starting point." It's nothing new, but he looks for defense to do more, step forward. That carries over to special teams. Offense is third part.

              * Think Rodgers sitting a fourth year would damage pysche or ability to keep? All practical concerns. Direction and committment, not concerned.

              * Thompson as supervisor, did he order to go with Rodgers? "The only thing I've ever been ordered to do ... is come to these press conferences. We're 100 percent committed to Aaron."

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              • #8
                I agree about McCarthy being awesome and all, but it almost seems that McCarthy is more pissed at Brett than Ted is. He didn't mention Brett at all in his speech to the shareholders, he isn't willing to even consider Brett starting for the Packers again, and is the only one from the Packers who openly called Brett out about throwing Campen under the bus.

                I wonder if that's going to be the biggest schism on the team if Brett tries to remain a Packer. After all, it is ultimately McCarthy's decision who starts, not Thompson's. But could people become McCarthy haters over Brett? He's so much more likable then Ted after all.

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                • #9
                  No, I don't think they'll become McCarthy haters. It's nice to see McCarthy speakign out. He's a strong, charismatic voice. I understand where Thompson is coming from, but many pepole can't relate. People can relate to McCArthy so it's good to have him up there. As TC goes on and people see Rodgers in preseason adn then in the season I think this will all go away. It's adversity, but some of the greatest teams overcame the most of it. Bring Brett on. I'm ready after hearing MM.
                  Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                  • #10
                    I thought I recalled McCarthy saying "never say never" when asked if there was a chance that Brett could be the starter again..Although he did say over and over that Aaron Rodgers is the starter..

                    I guess I was mistaken..

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                    • #11
                      No you were right, he did say that. Just taking the high road, IMO.

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                      • #12
                        No , you weren't mistaken, it's just that it seems he considers that bridge crossed. If he wanted Brett to start, he'd say that brett was working out with the first team on monday. He didn't do that, just kept talking up Rodgers and begging for more diverse question.

                        He can't preclude the possibility, but McCarthy's seems to have given up on Brett as a Packer more than anyone.

                        Then again, these are just my observations, so don't take me too seriously.

                        Edit: other interesting notes:
                        -Jolly's in rehab, great.
                        -McCarthy agrees that we really need Grant in camp on monday.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mmmdk
                          Quote from McCarthy:

                          "It’s time to coach. That’s where I’m at."

                          Awesome; made my day!
                          I became a huge MM fan the day after the dallas game last year. It was my favorite quote I can remember....something like this:

                          I don't care where we play them. We'll play them in the parking lot for all I care.

                          Classic!!
                          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bobblehead
                            Originally posted by mmmdk
                            Quote from McCarthy:

                            "It’s time to coach. That’s where I’m at."

                            Awesome; made my day!
                            I became a huge MM fan the day after the dallas game last year. It was my favorite quote I can remember....something like this:

                            I don't care where we play them. We'll play them in the parking lot for all I care.

                            Classic!!
                            I'd take this football team anywhere. I'm not concerned with what this games means. Not at all. We'll play anybody. And I think we've proven that. We'll play them in a parking lot, or in Dallas, Texas. It doesn't matter;"

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                            • #15
                              I may have had it wrong but I thought the general message from TT was that Brett was welcome to come back and compete for the starting job.

                              However, MM's "we've moved on" as an organization message is now clearly augmented with "Rodgers is our starting quarterback."

                              So did the Packers' message change during the last few weeks or was I mistaken to believe that Brett was publicly invited back to compete for the starting job?

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