Trust

[Bossman641]

Not giving him up to the Vikings isn't about who is better Rodgers or Favre. It's about giving up a player who would improve the Vikings team. I'm sure the Packers would not be willing to give up AROD to the Vikings either. It has nothing to do with him being better than Rodgers, it's because he's a significant upgrade over what the Vikings have.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

I should just put this in my sig for the next time someone says "Well if the packers don't want him just give him to the Vikings. What is TT scared of?"

So stupid.

Packers have an asset, they should use it to get as big a return as it is. Now, if it comes down to trading Favre to the Vikings for a 2nd or to a AFC team for a 4th then we will have a debate. Right now, there is no reason to give in to Favre and just give him to the Vikings.

[prsnfoto]

Do I trust the guy who dodges answering questions better than a politician or do I trust the man whose brutal honesty is often what gets him into trouble?

Favre has not been brutally honest, just brutal. Well, he has been open, but that's not the same as honest.

I guess I am still pissed about his taking TT's joke about getting fired and twisting into something completely different. that was dishonest.

Kinda like the team issued cell phone ! TT never denied that either until this weekend and he never fully denied the firing quote he just said maybe Brett misunderstood and then wouldn't answer anymore questions about it. You can be pissed at Brett for lots of things but this wouldn't be one of them in my book.

[PackerTimer]

Not giving him up to the Vikings isn't about who is better Rodgers or Favre. It's about giving up a player who would improve the Vikings team. I'm sure the Packers would not be willing to give up AROD to the Vikings either. It has nothing to do with him being better than Rodgers, it's because he's a significant upgrade over what the Vikings have.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

I should just put this in my sig for the next time someone says "Well if the packers don't want him just give him to the Vikings. What is TT scared of?"

So stupid.

Packers have an asset, they should use it to get as big a return as it is. Now, if it comes down to trading Favre to the Vikings for a 2nd or to a AFC team for a 4th then we will have a debate. Right now, there is no reason to give in to Favre and just give him to the Vikings.

I obviously completely agree that is a stupid argument. It's not about whether the Packers are better off without him. It's whether the Vikings are. And the answer to that is clearly a yes.

[packrulz]

The Pack was a field goal away in OT from the Super Bowl last year, they have 2 good QB's under contract, Favre already has stated he would compete ARod for the job, why not let them battle it out? They could make it to the Super Bowl with both. The whole thing has become nothing but a pissing contest. It tarnishes Favre's legacy and makes TT look foolish. TT and M3 should get everyone to pull together and they could have a Super Bowl caliber team.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kinda like the team issued cell phone ! TT never denied that either until this weekend

Since when has Thompson been the type that responds to every rumor out there? It's HIGHLY unlikely that it was a rumor that somebody in the Packers organization started. It was a rumor that PFT, I believe, pushed thinking that it would be the only way the Packers could have Favre's cellphone records. Think about it. What would be the sense of the Packers organization starting a false rumor like that? Why would it be Thompson's responsibility to shoot it down? BTW, he did respond to the question when he was asked about it by the media.

This is a bogus rip on Thompson, and it's why it's hard to take some of the Favre supporters seriously.

[sharpe1027]

Kinda like the team issued cell phone ! TT never denied that either until this weekend and he never fully denied the firing quote he just said maybe Brett misunderstood and then wouldn't answer anymore questions about it. You can be pissed at Brett for lots of things but this wouldn't be one of them in my book.

I believe the team issued a statement the next day that they did not have player issued cell phones.

They only way it is possible for Brett to have misunderstood was if TT never said that. Thus, if TT said Brett may have misunderstood, that means TT did not say that.

[RIPackerFan]

And let's be honest here. With Murphy flying down to talk to Favre (because of his reinstatement and plans to come to camp).....it lead a lot more credibility that TT saying something like that.

While TT may have said it jokingly, the significance of flying Murphy down there means that they don't want him in camp. To me it speaks volumes that while the "joke" may have been lost, the meaning and intention was all there....and while TT may have not meant he would get fired....serious heat would be on him if Favre showed up.

[mission]

I'm not buying a car from either one of them so trust really is not a factor. If the Packers have moved on and don't want him then release him. This has become complete BS...if M3 and TT are so confident in our roster/progress then let him go.

Yeah..that'd be smart. How about we open the doors to the locker room at Lambeau and let people just walk in? Here you go Minnesota, kick our ass twice this year, OH, and we get nothing for it except the sore arse. in the words of Guiness....BRILLIANT

Why would Minnesota beat us if Favre isn't good enough to play on our team?

Because 11 people are playing.

Not one. But you, Favre, and everyone else without a brain doesn't understand this team concept.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And let's be honest here. With Murphy flying down to talk to Favre (because of his reinstatement and plans to come to camp).....it lead a lot more credibility that TT saying something like that.

While TT may have said it jokingly, the significance of flying Murphy down there means that they don't want him in camp. To me it speaks volumes that while the "joke" may have been lost, the meaning and intention was all there....and while TT may have not meant he would get fired....serious heat would be on him if Favre showed up.

The difference of opinion on the conversation had nothing to do with whether it was a joke or not. The difference was that Favre said Thompson said he'd get fired if Favre reported to camp. It's been reported that Thomspon said he'd get fired if he released Favre. I can't say who had the best recollection of the conversation--although saying he'd get fired if he released Favre makes more sense. Don't really care that much about the actual conversation. Please note who divulged information from a private conversation--that did little but try to embarrass the other party.

[RIPackerFan]

What can Favre do?

People would be slamming him if he didn't come to camp and didn't provide a reason. While he may have discussed what went on in a private conversation, I have to believe that TT did not say that this should not be discussed - and if TT didn't - its fair game to explain the reasoning why he isn't going to camp.

Also, without being in the room when Favre relayed the conversation to the reporters, we don't know if he laughed when he relayed that TT would get fired (indicating it was a joke - but the reporters didn't report on it - just wrote the quote which was taken out of context).

But hey - reporters never do that, do they?

[cpk1994]

The Pack was a field goal away in OT from the Super Bowl last year, they have 2 good QB's under contract, Favre already has stated he would compete ARod for the job, why not let them battle it out? They could make it to the Super Bowl with both. The whole thing has become nothing but a pissing contest. It tarnishes Favre's legacy and makes TT look foolish. TT and M3 should get everyone to pull together and they could have a Super Bowl caliber team.

Becuase Favre threw the orginizatyion under the bus and during said interview flat out refused to compete. That was after he retired, unretired, retired and unretired again. And they are supposed to give in to him all of a sudden becuase he says he will compete? I wouldn't give him the time of day.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What can Favre do?

He could have said the Packers didn't want him to report to camp, and left it at that. The "shaken" (even if he was) and "I'll get fired" (even if Thompson said it) comments were unnecessary. The only purpose it would serve is to embarrass Thompson.

Again, I think a lot of this has to do with Favre ego. He thought he could waltz back in at any time and he was surprised when they told him they had moved on. I'm sure emotions are playing a big part in some of the stuff he is doing. I sure wish Big Irv was still around. He seemed to have a ton of common sense, and Brett leaned on him in times like this. That support system is gone, and now he has a bunch of people giving him bad advice.

[cpk1994]

What can Favre do?

People would be slamming him if he didn't come to camp and didn't provide a reason. While he may have discussed what went on in a private conversation, I have to believe that TT did not say that this should not be discussed - and if TT didn't - its fair game to explain the reasoning why he isn't going to camp.

Also, without being in the room when Favre relayed the conversation to the reporters, we don't know if he laughed when he relayed that TT would get fired (indicating it was a joke - but the reporters didn't report on it - just wrote the quote which was taken out of context).

But hey - reporters never do that, do they?

Considering that Farve called TT "shattered", suggests that Favre wasn't joking.

[sheepshead]

Re: Trust

This has been a tough situation for everyone. I think a lot of fans are like me. A Packer fan #1, but a long-time ardent Favre supporter. I won't diminish what Favre has done. Sure, our playoff success hasn't been great the last 10 years, but there were often mitigating circumstances for our failures. (The NFC championship game last year was the first time I questioned whether Favre could get the job done.)

This whole issue comes down to one thing for me. Trust. Who do I trust more, Ted Thompson or Brett Favre? I've come to the conclusion that it's Thompson.

Do I trust the guy who has publicly thrown his GM, head coach, OL coach under the bus OR do I trust the guy who has had nothing but good things to say about Favre publicly?

Do I trust the guy whose cronies (agent, brothers, etc.) lambast the organization every chance they get (Moss deal, Packers are doing what they can to drive Favre away, etc.) OR do I trust the organization that has said nothing bad publicly about Favre (other than to say that he waffled and they've moved on)?

Do I trust the guy who gave a charade of an interview on national TV (fielding softball questions from Greta and saying bitter things about the organization) OR do I trust the guy who has stood up in press conferences and took the grilling from any media member that wanted to show?

Do I trust the guy with a star QBs ego (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) or the guy who seems to have a pretty small ego for a NFL GM? Favre has been coddled for the better part of 15 years--mostly because of his talent. Thompson is a guy who stayed in the NFL for 10 years because of his character and work ethic.

Do I trust the guy that has said some things that I find extremely hard to believe, and who seems to have let his emotions control how interprets specific conversations?

When I think about these things, it's clear that I trust Ted Thompson more than Brett Favre.

I concur here totally. TT has an excellent history of doing the right thing behind the scenes, off the field. Brett has an excellent history of doing the right things on the field. Not so much off the field.

I still love the guy, but I'm with you it's not being handled well from Mississippi and his dim witted agent can share the blame also.

[gex]

Brett Favre is more open and honest(which gets him in trouble sometimes) than TT. IMO.