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[HarveyWallbangers]

To be fair, it looks like you told him to "go suck TT's smooth ballsickles" first.

[gex]

It really did.

[Bossman641]

See there you go.
Cmon your grown-ups , if you really think that both sides did not handle this well then you lose all credibility.

Do I think the organization could have handled it better? Yes, but my only complaints with the organization arise from the previous week or 2.

Favre fucked it up all summer. He is the one who allowed Bus and his family to spread the flat out lies to the media. He could have ended it with a simple phone call. He chose to let it all linger, as part of the plan to gather public support.

Favre is the one who is airing dirty laundry. You didn't see the organization leaking info about Favre unretiring and retiring back in March. You don't see the organization leaking info from conversations with Brett.

The only thing the organization is guilty of is moving on from a player who retired and then wasn't able to commit again until late July. What is the crime in that? Nothing. I hate Favre and his fans' attitude that the organization should have seen this coming and should have planned for it. How are you ever supposed to get out of the Brett Favre shadow when you have to be worried about catering to a retired player?

Favre's entire argument is about how he feels. The organization's is fact and a decision to move on.

[sharpe1027]

People on Favre's side tend to agree that both sides did not handle this the right way, while TT supporters tend to blame Favre and think that TT is completly innocent.

Maybe in bizarro world.

[Freak Out]

The Pack was a field goal away in OT from the Super Bowl last year, they have 2 good QB's under contract, Favre already has stated he would compete ARod for the job, why not let them battle it out? They could make it to the Super Bowl with both. The whole thing has become nothing but a pissing contest. It tarnishes Favre's legacy and makes TT look foolish. TT and M3 should get everyone to pull together and they could have a Super Bowl caliber team.

Becuase Favre threw the orginizatyion under the bus and during said interview flat out refused to compete. That was after he retired, unretired, retired and unretired again. And they are supposed to give in to him all of a sudden becuase he says he will compete? I wouldn't give him the time of day.

Glad your not the GB GM then. It does not matter at this point if he retired, unretired and then fucked a goat. He wants to play. Reinstated him and tell him to report to camp...if the Packers don't want him then trade him or release him.....even if it's to the evil Vikings. Call Favre a cry baby all you want but this has gone Granny Raider bush league with all the "you can't compete get used to holding a clipboard" BS.

[gex]

The Pack was a field goal away in OT from the Super Bowl last year, they have 2 good QB's under contract, Favre already has stated he would compete ARod for the job, why not let them battle it out? They could make it to the Super Bowl with both. The whole thing has become nothing but a pissing contest. It tarnishes Favre's legacy and makes TT look foolish. TT and M3 should get everyone to pull together and they could have a Super Bowl caliber team.

Becuase Favre threw the orginizatyion under the bus and during said interview flat out refused to compete. That was after he retired, unretired, retired and unretired again. And they are supposed to give in to him all of a sudden becuase he says he will compete? I wouldn't give him the time of day.

Glad your not the GB GM then. It does not matter at this point if he retired, unretired and then fucked a goat. He wants to play. Reinstated him and tell him to report to camp...if the Packers don't want him then trade him or release him.....even if it's to the evil Vikings. Call Favre a cry baby all you want but this has gone Granny Raider bush league with all the "you can't compete get used to holding a clipboard" BS.

Very true, it really has become a pissing match and it should be" just report to camp, compete, then we all come to some sort of conclusion(starter, trade, release).
Brett Favre(last years team MVP) as a back-up is a joke.

[sharpe1027]

Glad your not the GB GM then. It does not matter at this point if he retired, unretired and then fucked a goat. He wants to play. Reinstated him and tell him to report to camp...if the Packers don't want him then trade him or release him.....even if it's to the evil Vikings. Call Favre a cry baby all you want but this has gone Granny Raider bush league with all the "you can't compete get used to holding a clipboard" BS.

There is no doubt they told him he was not going to come in and be given the starter role. Nobody said he couldn't compete for it. Maybe that was their intent, maybe it wasn't. Either way, Favre had one and only one conversation with the Packers about seriously coming back and he immediately asked for a release. Before he did it there were alot of mudslinging from his side, which he did zero to refute. Favre's actions make me think he doesn't want to play for the Packers.

[Bretsky]

Do I trust the guy who dodges answering questions better than a politician or do I trust the man whose brutal honesty is often what gets him into trouble?

With that being said, I don't think either side is being fully honest and both sides are to blame.

I TRUST NEITHER; but TT knows how to be effective with the media. Favre has neve had that skill.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I TRUST NEITHER; but TT knows how to be effective with the media. Favre has neve had that skill.

I don't believe this at all. He is what he is. There's no sinister genius behind all this using the media to orchestrate every move.

[Bretsky]

I TRUST NEITHER; but TT knows how to be effective with the media. Favre has neve had that skill.

I don't believe this at all. He is what he is. There's no sinister genius behind all this using the media to orchestrate every move.

We agree to disagree; TT is sharp. Rarely discusses much but when he does it has purpose and it's effective.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Do I trust the guy who dodges answering questions better than a politician or do I trust the man whose brutal honesty is often what gets him into trouble?

Favre has not been brutally honest, just brutal. Well, he has been open, but that's not the same as honest.

I guess I am still pissed about his taking TT's joke about getting fired and twisting into something completely different. that was dishonest.

Kinda like the team issued cell phone ! TT never denied that either until this weekend and he never fully denied the firing quote he just said maybe Brett misunderstood and then wouldn't answer anymore questions about it. You can be pissed at Brett for lots of things but this wouldn't be one of them in my book.

The "Team issued cellphones" bit was a minor detail related to the Packers' tampering charges against MN. Apparently someone in the media got it wrong, started a rumor. What the hell, is TT now responsible for debunking mistakes in the media? I saw him asked about it at one news conference, and he said he's not aware of any team-issued phones. What more do you want from him?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Thompson has made plenty of mistakes as GM (O'Dwyer/Klemm, Javon, Harrell, etc.), but has had more hits than misses (Jennings, Grant, Woodson, Pickett, etc.). He's built a good team. Here are my thoughts about Thompson:

1) I don't believe Thompson had it out for Brett from the start.
2) I do believe that Thompson felt he had to get an heir apparent for Brett. With Brett's annual retirement circus, I believe Thompson thought he'd need to replace Brett within 3 years.
3) I do believe Thompson fundamentally believes in rebuilding through the draft. He's not adverse to FAs, but it's not how he prefers to build the team. After 2005, I believe Thompson knew he had to blow the team up, but he felt Brett could be a good bridge to Aaron Rodgers.
4) I do believe Thompson was genuinely interested in acquiring Randy Moss, but only for the compensation he determined was prudent. I believe he felt he had a deal for Moss completed, but it didn't work out.
5) I do believe Thompson was just fine with bringing back Brett for another year, but at some point this offseason Thompson determined that codding Brett was no longer in the team's best interests. The team moved on.
6) I don't believe there's anything sinister about Thompson.
7) I do believe Thompson is cut from the Ron Wolf mold. He's not interested in being a media darling. He's all football, he believes in his philosophy, and he doesn't think any one player is above the team.

I also don't believe Brett is a bad guy. I think he saw some of the moves that Thompson made and misconstrued them. #2 and #3 above probably made him feel like he was being pushed out the door. #4 made him feel disrespected. #5 made him feel unwanted. That's fine. The problem is that I don't think Thompson would have done anything differently if somebody else had been the QB. It was nothing against Brett, but Brett took a lot of it personally. Thompson probably felt like Brett should have kept his disappointment in some of his roster moves private, but I don't think Thompson has the type of ego that it overly bothered him.

[falco]

Thompson has made plenty of mistakes as GM (O'Dwyer/Klemm, Javon, Harrell, etc.), but has had more hits than misses (Jennings, Grant, Woodson, Pickett, etc.). He's built a good team. Here are my thoughts about Thompson:

1) I don't believe Thompson had it out for Brett from the start.
2) I do believe that Thompson felt he had to get an heir apparent for Brett. With Brett's annual retirement circus, I believe Thompson thought he'd need to replace Brett within 3 years.
3) I do believe Thompson fundamentally believes in rebuilding through the draft. He's not adverse to FAs, but it's not how he prefers to build the team. After 2005, I believe Thompson knew he had to blow the team up, but he felt Brett could be a good bridge to Aaron Rodgers.
4) I do believe Thompson was genuinely interested in acquiring Randy Moss, but only for the compensation he determined was prudent. I believe he felt he had a deal for Moss completed, but it didn't work out.
5) I do believe Thompson was just fine with bringing back Brett for another year, but at some point this offseason Thompson determined that codding Brett was no longer in the team's best interests. The team moved on.
6) I don't believe there's anything sinister about Thompson.
7) I do believe Thompson is cut from the Ron Wolf mold. He's not interested in being a media darling. He's all football, he believes in his philosophy, and he doesn't think any one player is above the team.

I also don't believe Brett is a bad guy. I think he saw some of the moves that Thompson made and misconstrued them. #2 and #3 above probably made him feel like he was being pushed out the door. #4 made him feel disrespected. #5 made him feel unwanted. That's fine. The problem is that I don't think Thompson would have done anything differently if somebody else had been the QB. It was nothing against Brett, but Brett took a lot of it personally. Thompson probably felt like Brett should have kept his disappointment in some of his roster moves private, but I don't think Thompson has the type of ego that it overly bothered him.

[BallHawk]

What'd he do wrong with Javon?

[HarveyWallbangers]

What'd he do wrong with Javon?

I didn't have a problem at the time, but I think his philosophy changed a bit after that. Now, he's really sincere about rewarding his own. Screw the hard-line about waiting until the last year of a guy's contract (see Driver twice, Al, and others). I think it had done wonders for team chemistry/morale. I also think it's the right way to go... for a team that's not heavy into the FA game (where the salary cap is a big problem).