Grant's Agent Hung Up on Packers Negotiator

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gado didn't perform anywhere near Grant's level last season. Show me all the 50 yard TD runs that Gado racked up.

Of course, Gado didn't get any offers to have his contract redone. Grant has apparently. Not to his liking. I hope things get resolved. I don't trust much coming from an agent, so it's hard to know what kind of money Grant was offered and what he's looking to get.

BTW, the offer was $1.75/year for 6 years (that would be $10M in 7 years)--according to his agent. I didn't read anything from his agent talking about what type of money might have been offered in incentives. Agents conveniently forget details like that. Javon's agent kept talking about how he was getting just $1M/year, but forgot to add that he got a $7M signing bonus and had only played 3 years up to that point.

I'd be disappointed if something doesn't get resolved shortly, but it's not like it's the first time a player has missed camp due to his contract situation.

[The Leaper]

BTW, the offer was $1.75/year for 6 years (that would be $10M in 7 years)--according to his agent.

Huh?

I saw $1.75M in guaranteed money offered by Green Bay. Maybe he gets additional roster bonuses or something later...but not guaranteed?

[The Leaper]

Whether or not the Packer's offer was insulting or a lowball, it's increasingly clear that Grant's agent is a tool.

I think most agents are tools...they are lawyers, aren't they?

[bobblehead]

Is it unreasonable to ask that he "garauntee" production before we "garauntee" more than 1.75 million?? He can always buy an insurance policy against injury, so the only downside would be if he flat out couldn't cut it.

[HarveyWallbangers]

BTW, the offer was $1.75/year for 6 years (that would be $10M in 7 years)--according to his agent.

Huh?

I saw $1.75M in guaranteed money offered by Green Bay. Maybe he gets additional roster bonuses or something later...but not guaranteed?

Sorry. I misread the original post. So, we don't even really know what the Packers offered. As far as we know, they could have offered $1M for 600 yards rushing/year, $2M for 800 yards rushing/year, $3M for 1000 yards rushing/year. That would be fair, but it's not guaranteed money, so the agent can complain about it. (Didn't he say that Grant would be acceptable to an incentive-based contract? If so, then he's not going to get a ton of guaranteed money.) It's hard to be too upset when we don't even know the details--accept for some whining by the agent. This is a unique situation. Grant has a few years before he can become a FA, so he's not going to get a huge deal.

[DonHutson]

Didn't he say that Grant would be acceptable to an incentive-based contract? If so, then he's not going to get a ton of guaranteed money. It's hard to be too upset when we don't even know the details--accept for some whining by the agent. This is a unique situation. Grant has a few years before he can become a FA, so he's not going to get a huge deal.

I think Grant's agent is smart enough to realize that they are in another unique situation by negotiating a contract while the GM is in the middle of a massive PR battle in the national media to prove he's not an idiot. Perhaps he thinks he can squeeze more money out of the Pack by piling on to that perception.

Harvey is right that the agent seemed to think that they were all set for a quick incentive based deal to be signed. All of a sudden he's insulted? I don't have any inside info, but I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing that changed is the outside scenario which the weasel agent is attempting to exploit.

[Dabaddestbear]

guaranteed money is everything...

1.75 in 6 years... is a JOKE!!!

He's only produced for half a fucking season. He doesn't deserve a whole lot of guaranteed money. The guy isn't LaDanian Tomlinson or Bryan Westbrook or Steven Jackson just yet. He has to show what he can do for a whole season first.

Besides, the 1.75 million is just the guaranteed part. With incentives, that deal was probably worth a whole hell of a lot of money. Problem is that kind of a deal is dependent on Grant producing, and his agent wants that money regardless if he produces. Fuck him. Grant doesn't have 1000 yards rushing for his career yet and he wants superstar money?? That's bullshit...

"the team proposed a $1.75 million signing bonus and no other guaranteed money over the length of the deal. Herman was looking for at least twice that in a signing bonus and the possibility for Grant to earn salary escalators that would become guaranteed if he hit certain production marks. "
That shows right there that they were not guaranteeing anything BUT the signing bonus. Meaning that even if he rushed for 2000 yards he was not guaranteed anything more than that 1.75 mil.

You Packer fans will suffer from having a cheap GM the same way us Bear fans did when the McCaskey's were handling the contract negations. Always keep your core intact if nothing else.

[The Leaper]

I agree on the incentive based stuff...I think the Packers probably were pretty fair on that.

However, I think $1.75M in guaranteed money is a lowball offer to Grant. The guy proved he has All-Pro caliber talent last season. He's clearly better than Poppinga, who got $3M in guaranteed money.

[Gunakor]

I agree on the incentive based stuff...I think the Packers probably were pretty fair on that.

However, I think $1.75M in guaranteed money is a lowball offer to Grant. The guy proved he has All-Pro caliber talent last season. He's clearly better than Poppinga, who got $3M in guaranteed money.

He hasn't proved anything. Gado didn't prove anything. Nobody proves anything as fact in 8 or 9 games. The proof comes this year - IF he gets his shit together and signs and gets into camp. If not, well then congratulations on your NINE GOOD GAMES which would amount to your ENTIRE career. Smart...

[The Leaper]

Nobody proves anything as fact in 8 or 9 games.

I strongly disagree.

Grant's talent is well proven. Sure, there are still questions regarding his stamina over 16 games and what not...but talent is something that can be spotted relatively quickly. Grant is not a certainty in any sense...I agree with that. However, his talent level in terms of size, speed, vision and ability within our system was pretty well proven in half a season.

Adrian Peterson's talent was well known after 9 games last year also. His durability and longevity...not so much.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree on the incentive based stuff...I think the Packers probably were pretty fair on that.

However, I think $1.75M in guaranteed money is a lowball offer to Grant. The guy proved he has All-Pro caliber talent last season. He's clearly better than Poppinga, who got $3M in guaranteed money.

Maybe, but the difference is that Poppinga had one year until UFA. Grant has three years until UFA. It's comparing apples and oranges.

I think they should give him a decent offer. Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. I'm not sure you can look at just the guaranteed money this deal would give him. It's unique and it needs to be incentive-based. Does Grant think he's going to get a bunch guaranteed AND an incentive-based? Not realisitc considering the situation he's in.

The one thing that Thompson has proven is that he'll pay his own guys. I'm guessing it's more likely that the Packers offered something that was a lot more fair than the agent is making it out to be.

[Gunakor]

Nobody proves anything as fact in 8 or 9 games.

I strongly disagree.

Grant's talent is well proven. Sure, there are still questions regarding his stamina over 16 games and what not...but talent is something that can be spotted relatively quickly. Grant is not a certainty in any sense...I agree with that. However, his talent level in terms of size, speed, vision and ability within our system was pretty well proven in half a season.

Adrian Peterson's talent was well known after 9 games last year also. His durability and longevity...not so much.

Then why didn't the Giants spot his talent if it is so easy to recognize? Just as Gado was a fluke, Grant may turn out to be as well. So TT has to be careful when doleing out guaranteed money to him.

[DonHutson]

You Packer fans will suffer from having a cheap GM the same way us Bear fans did when the McCaskey's were handling the contract negations. Always keep your core intact if nothing else.

Whom have the Packers lost that they wanted to keep?

Whom have they extended and kept happy under Ted's watch? Driver, Lee, Wells, Tauscher, Jenkins, Kampman, Barnett, Harris, Poppinga.

Whether he's happy or not will be his problem, but Grant will get extended as well. He doesn't have any other choice, really.

[packers11]

guaranteed money is everything...

1.75 in 6 years... is a JOKE!!!

Do you like anything the packer organization does? Jesus Christ the dude has only performed for half a season.

I love a lot of the moves the organization does. I'm probably the most pro T.T. person before this Favre/Grant fiasco.

He has performed half of the season. But you have to realize that we are 30 million under the cap, and adding a few extra million won't hurt us long term...

[Guiness]

Wow, this is turning into something, and I REALLY don't like how Grant and/or his agent are handling this. With the kind of bad mouthing and stuff Herman has done, I have to think the Packer brass is really getting close to telling him to get stuffed.

Truth is, they don't have to offer him anything more than the tender to retain his rights. I think if I was the Packer's negotiator in this case, I'd take the damn 1.75 off the table, and tell him he signs the minimum tender or rots! IF he comes grovelling back, I'd consider MAYBE giving him the 1.75...

The Packers have shown a willingness (with Kampman, Driver and Harris in the past, with Popinga this year) to give more money to those they consider deserving players, even with multiple years left on their contract.

and the possibility for Grant to earn salary escalators that would become guaranteed if he hit certain production marks. "
That shows right there that they were not guaranteeing anything BUT the signing bonus. Meaning that even if he rushed for 2000 yards he was not guaranteed anything more than that 1.75 mil.

You Packer fans will suffer from having a cheap GM the same way us Bear fans did when the McCaskey's were handling the contract negations. Always keep your core intact if nothing else.

I think you can read too much into the bolded part. Remember, those are the agent's words. I think this is escalators vs incentives?

The Packers have said there were incentives...so I'm guessing that if he rushes for 2K, there'll be incentive money. I can't be sure, but I'm guessing by escalators, his agent was something where the salary of the remaining years goes up when he meets milestones?

as far as a cheap GM, I don't think that's necessarily the case. And TT has done a good job of keeping the core intact. Obviously he's loathe to spend on FA's. However, we've lost little or no players (other than the mess he cleaned up his first year) to FA since he's been here, and none of the players on the team are complaning about their contracts.