Grant's Agent Hung Up on Packers Negotiator

[The Leaper]

Then why didn't the Giants spot his talent if it is so easy to recognize?

You have to give him a chance...you know, the same reasoning most use here in relation to Rodgers.

[Gunakor]

guaranteed money is everything...

1.75 in 6 years... is a JOKE!!!

Do you like anything the packer organization does? Jesus Christ the dude has only performed for half a season.

I love a lot of the moves the organization does. I'm probably the most pro T.T. person before this Favre/Grant fiasco.

He has performed half of the season. But you have to realize that we are 30 million under the cap, and adding a few extra million won't hurt us long term...

This is also about future ramifications of giving Grant more than he's earned up to this point. Other players could look at TT giving Grant superstar money for half a season of production and then everybody who has 8 good games is going to ask for the same thing. It's a bad message to send. Pretty soon we aren't 30 million below the cap anymore because we've given big contracts to a bunch of unproven players with a half season of production under thier belts. Grant should be paid like an average starter, with incentives in place to pay him more than an average starter should he prove to be a star.

[Gunakor]

Then why didn't the Giants spot his talent if it is so easy to recognize?

You have to give him a chance...you know, the same reasoning most use here in relation to Rodgers.

Nobody has denied Grant a chance. Grant is denying himself the opportunity to play this season. Just sign an incentive based deal and get into camp. Earn your damned incentives if you want big bucks. You aren't going to earn any incentives if you don't play. How much damned guaranteed money do you think he's worth? He's started nine games ffs...

[packers11]

Grant should be paid like an average starter, with incentives in place to pay him more than an average starter should he prove to be a star.

Thats what I am SAYING!!! PAY HIM with an average salary...

It was only a couple years were people wanted to pay over the hill Ahman 5 1/2 million dollars... I think T.T. offered him 5 mill a year... (Thats a little above average) but you get what i'm trying to say. Grant is only 25... He hardly has any miles on him...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Nobody proves anything as fact in 8 or 9 games.

I strongly disagree.

Grant's talent is well proven. Sure, there are still questions regarding his stamina over 16 games and what not...but talent is something that can be spotted relatively quickly. Grant is not a certainty in any sense...I agree with that. However, his talent level in terms of size, speed, vision and ability within our system was pretty well proven in half a season.

Adrian Peterson's talent was well known after 9 games last year also. His durability and longevity...not so much.

Huh? well proven?

If he was so talented..why wasn't he drafted?

[billy_oliver880]

guaranteed money is everything...

1.75 in 6 years... is a JOKE!!!

Do you like anything the packer organization does? Jesus Christ the dude has only performed for half a season.

I love a lot of the moves the organization does. I'm probably the most pro T.T. person before this Favre/Grant fiasco.

He has performed half of the season. But you have to realize that we are 30 million under the cap, and adding a few extra million won't hurt us long term...

Grant has created his own fiasco. The Farve saga is a separate issue. The packers have been very fair with contracts minus the extension they gave Pops. Usually they pay out for guys that work hard and perform well. There have been many one season wonders and I think the packers are guarding themselves against swallowing a dud contract if a guy is done part way through a contract.

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: Grant's Agent Hung Up on Packers Negotiator

Grant's agent: We're talking, but no progress on deal

By Rob Demovsky • rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com • July 31, 2008

The Green Bay Packers are no closer to a deal with running back Ryan Grant than they were last weekend, when his agent Alan Herman disclosed just how far apart the two sides are on financial terms.
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However, Herman said Thursday that the Packers have called him a couple of times this week to try to initiate talks.

“I’ve had a few conversations since then – one very unproductive conversation and one that we would talk again,” Herman said. “We’ll see how that goes. Hopefully, there’s a change in their position. If there is, we’ll have an opportunity to make a deal. If there’s not, then we won’t. Things can change, but we’re not anywhere near a deal.”

On Sunday, the eve of training camp, Herman blasted the Packers for the six-year offer they made to Grant. Herman said the team proposed a $1.75 million signing bonus and no other guaranteed money over the length of the deal. Herman was looking for at least twice that in a signing bonus and the possibility for Grant to earn salary escalators that would become guaranteed if he hit certain production marks.

Herman said the Packers called Monday – a day after he went public with his displeasure over how the team was handling his client. That conversation “was about three seconds,” Herman said.

“They wanted to keep the lines of communication open,” Herman said. “I understand the nature of the phone call.”

Grant has missed five practices over the first three days of camp. There was no practice on Thursday, but workouts resume Friday with a pair of practices at 8:45 a.m., and 6:30 p.m. The weekend schedule includes an afternoon practice on Saturday and the annual intrasquad scrimmage at Lambeau Field on Sunday night. It seems likely that Grant will miss all of those activities.

Grant, 25, is an exclusive rights free agent who would not become an unrestricted free agent until he plays three more seasons. He has only one season of accrued NFL service. He spent his rookie season on the New York Giants’ practice squad and his second season on the non-football injury list. He had only one season left on a minimum contract when the Packers acquired him from the Giants last September.

That status – and that Grant rushed for 956 yards in essentially half a season last year – has made for difficult negotiations. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...099/1954/PKR03

So, the guy wants to Packers to cave before even trying to negotiate a compromise.... is this guy related to Don Rumsfeld? Grant needs a new agent.

grant needs a new GM

[boiga]

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=foxsports&vid=fdd20c72-eb69-4712-b02e-6a5d05ce5546

Adam Schein has a couple of good points despite being an obnoxious weasel.

-Grant should postpone any long term deal until next year when he could likely get twice the contract from the packers if he keeps performing at the same level.

-The packers should play hardball because Grant doesn't have anywhere else to go.

-If Grant doesn't come back soon, he might find himself out the starting job considering how bullish M3 is on Jackson.

[sheepshead]

Nobody proves anything as fact in 8 or 9 games.

I strongly disagree.

Grant's talent is well proven. Sure, there are still questions regarding his stamina over 16 games and what not...but talent is something that can be spotted relatively quickly. Grant is not a certainty in any sense...I agree with that. However, his talent level in terms of size, speed, vision and ability within our system was pretty well proven in half a season.

Adrian Peterson's talent was well known after 9 games last year also. His durability and longevity...not so much.

Huh? well proven?

If he was so talented..why wasn't he drafted?

Hey, Bigguns, for once I agree with you.

[sheepshead]

Grant has no leverage, they could tweak this a little get some juice on the incentive side. But he should settle this soon and get his ass in camp. Holding out can end careers, especially running backs. Look at the dopes the Bears have had to put up with then washed them out.

[Zool]

I think you take a risk and give the guy more up front and then give him roster bonuses each year.

[cpk1994]

Re: Grant's Agent Hung Up on Packers Negotiator

OR The Packers organization needs to admit that Thompson and Murphy (to a lesser extent) have turned the Packers into an embarrassment to their fans.................and just fire both of them.......and their negotiator, just for good measure.

Why stop there? We could rehire sherman as GM, mooch as the coach, trade Jennings, jones, and Driver to NE for Moss, and offer next years first and second picks to Seattle for Wahle?

That would make Favre happy, which certainly improve the team, right?

Gee, now your just being silly. I think Wahle is retired.

No, he is mocking you becuase you are an idiot.

[packers11]

If he was so talented..why wasn't he drafted?

Marques Colston
7th Round of the draft, 252nd overall

.... Did all the scouts miss something???

Aaron Kampan... 5th round... he must suck too...

i agree that he still has something to prove but saying he didn't get drafted = he sucks is total bullshit...

my favorite one of all...

Antonio Gates = Not drafted...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If he was so talented..why wasn't he drafted?

Marques Colston
7th Round of the draft, 252nd overall

.... Did all the scouts miss something???

Aaron Kampan... 5th round... he must suck too...

i agree that he still has something to prove but saying he didn't get drafted = he sucks is total bullshit...

my favorite one of all...

Antonio Gates = Not drafted...

Umm, thanx for proving my point. Kampman..drafted. Colson...drafted. No, they didn't....THEY GOT DRAFTED.

BTW, your fav..is kinda stupid...as gates didn't play football in college. As opposd to grant who played at a school that receives the most airtime in the nation.

I never said he sucked...poor logic on your part.

the point that was said....he was a proven talent. He surely wasnt' proven in college to the scouts..or he woulda been drafted. He didn't prove anything on the gmen..he barely if at all played. And, no teams were clamoring to draft him.

TT made a gamble and it paid off.

[vince]

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=foxsports&vid=fdd20c72-eb69-4712-b02e-6a5d05ce5546

Adam Schein has a couple of good points despite being an obnoxious weasel.

-Grant should postpone any long term deal until next year when he could likely get twice the contract from the packers if he keeps performing at the same level.

-The packers should play hardball because Grant doesn't have anywhere else to go.

-If Grant doesn't come back soon, he might find himself out the starting job considering how bullish M3 is on Jackson.

While Schein is right on all three points, the first is the most important, IMO, and that is why I believe the Packers should find a way to sign Grant to a long-term deal now. He'll likely never be cheaper to sign again than he is right now.

It is no longer the Packers M.O. to hand out big guarantees upfront. They prefer the performance-based incentives and a pay-as-you-go structure with roster bonuses built in over the length of the contract.

I hope Grant's agent dummies up and recognizes that TT doesn't blindly agree to deals and structures that player agents throw around. He agrees to deals that make sense for the team. Grant's agent needs to step up to the table to hammer this out on the Packers terms or he's fighting a losing battle.