Grant's Agent Hung Up on Packers Negotiator

[gex]

Re: Grant's Agent Hung Up on Packers Negotiator

OR The Packers organization needs to admit that Thompson and Murphy (to a lesser extent) have turned the Packers into an embarrassment to their fans.................and just fire both of them.......and their negotiator, just for good measure.

Why stop there? We could rehire sherman as GM, mooch as the coach, trade Jennings, jones, and Driver to NE for Moss, and offer next years first and second picks to Seattle for Wahle?

That would make Favre happy, which certainly improve the team, right?

Gee, now your just being silly. I think Wahle is retired.

No, he is mocking you becuase you are an idiot.

Back to this again,huh?

[Packers4Ever]

I think im more upset that we give money to Poopingyah than this guy... and we were willing to pay off brett and not give grant money... what the hell are we doing these days

It's called being "chintzy" - I know he only played 1/2 a season, but nearly 1000 yds and I believe 8 TD ? I'd have been embarrassed to make that kind of offer - 1.75 mill - for 6 years? What might they have offered
Grant if he'd played a full season?

[Gunakor]

I think im more upset that we give money to Poopingyah than this guy... and we were willing to pay off brett and not give grant money... what the hell are we doing these days

It's called being "chintzy" - I know he only played 1/2 a season, but nearly 1000 yds and I believe 8 TD ? I'd have been embarrassed to make that kind of offer - 1.75 mill - for 6 years? What might they have offered
Grant if he'd played a full season?

That's not the total amount. It's only the guaranteed portion. I'm sure there was at least 15-20 million or more in incentives over the length of the deal. Basically it says if you want to be paid big bucks we need to see big production consistently, and since we haven't seen it for a whole season yet we're going to be careful how much guaranteed money we start dishing out to players with less than a season under thier belts.

By the way, does anyone know any specifics about the offer other than the guaranteed portion of it?

[Guiness]

By the way, does anyone know any specifics about the offer other than the guaranteed portion of it?

Nope, nada, nyet.

The Packers have been characteristically tight-lipped about this. The only thing we 'know' is what Grant's agent released to the media. I put 'know' in quotes, because while I don't think it's an outright untruth, it could mean many different things. I've already seen several interpretations around here.

I think it's 1.75m in upfront money in the form of a signing bonus, meaning the only guaranteed money (if, for instance, he were to get cut in camp this year).

[bobblehead]

Nobody proves anything as fact in 8 or 9 games.

I strongly disagree.

Grant's talent is well proven. Sure, there are still questions regarding his stamina over 16 games and what not...but talent is something that can be spotted relatively quickly. Grant is not a certainty in any sense...I agree with that. However, his talent level in terms of size, speed, vision and ability within our system was pretty well proven in half a season.

Adrian Peterson's talent was well known after 9 games last year also. His durability and longevity...not so much.

Adrian Peterson had an entire successful college career to back up those 9 games....grant sat the pine most of his.

[Ballboy]

I firmly think the Packers are in the drivers seat on Grant. We own his rights and he has everything to loose by not showing up....the longer he waits, the lower he gets on the depth chart.

Really, his best option is to sign the one year tender, try to have another year and then hit FA.

Every day he is missing could be costing him cash.

[bobblehead]

guaranteed money is everything...

1.75 in 6 years... is a JOKE!!!

Do you like anything the packer organization does? Jesus Christ the dude has only performed for half a season.

I love a lot of the moves the organization does. I'm probably the most pro T.T. person before this Favre/Grant fiasco.

He has performed half of the season. But you have to realize that we are 30 million under the cap, and adding a few extra million won't hurt us long term...

Yes it will, first we need money to sign our other rising stars. Second, if you overpay him, everyone else on the team uses his contract as their arguement.

[The Leaper]

I firmly think the Packers are in the drivers seat on Grant. We own his rights and he has everything to loose by not showing up....the longer he waits, the lower he gets on the depth chart.

Sorry, but showing your "strength" by taking your best RB and keeping him out of camp seems relatively dumb to me. Sure, the Packers hold all the cards here...but it is in the best interest of the team to get Grant in camp sooner rather than later. The team has already committed to a QB with little experience...having as many weapons as possible ready to go for him is paramount.

[mmmdk]

Damnit, I wanted badly to buy a # 25 jersey!

[Packers4Ever]

I think im more upset that we give money to Poopingyah than this guy... and we were willing to pay off brett and not give grant money... what the hell are we doing these days

It's called being "chintzy" - I know he only played 1/2 a season, but nearly 1000 yds and I believe 8 TD ? I'd have been embarrassed to make that kind of offer - 1.75 mill - for 6 years? What might they have offered
Grant if he'd played a full season?

That's not the total amount. It's only the guaranteed portion. I'm sure there was at least 15-20 million or more in incentives over the length of the deal. Basically it says if you want to be paid big bucks we need to see big production consistently, and since we haven't seen it for a whole season yet we're going to be careful how much guaranteed money we start dishing out to players with less than a season under thier belts.

By the way, does anyone know any specifics about the offer other than the guaranteed portion of it?

Ahh yes, the incentives over the whole thing.
I wonder if the GMs from any other NFL teams subscribe to this method -
It does make sense to offer bigger bucks for more consistent production.
Produce first, then the bucks. Hope we don't lose him.

[Zool]

Ahh yes, the incentives over the whole thing.
I wonder if the GMs from any other NFL teams subscribe to this method -
It does make sense to offer bigger bucks for more consistent production.
Produce first, then the bucks. Hope we don't lose him.

Its impossible to compare this to a standard player looking for more money. He had a stellar 1/2 season. He's a RB who's already 25. He's got 2 more years before he's eligible for UFA. The Packers hold all the cards. The guy wasn't drafted so he doesn't have the standard 3/4/5 year rookie deal to be restructured.

I agree that he should get a bigger signing bonus, but I'm not calling out the GM or the contract negotiating team because they aren't going to cave to him. None of us have any idea what was actually offered, or what is being asked for. The agent has every right to ask for a specific amount, the team has every right to offer something lower as they see fit.

6 years seems like a lot, but if there are roster bonuses strewn in year to year, I dont see why that would be a bad thing for either side.

[Gunakor]

I firmly think the Packers are in the drivers seat on Grant. We own his rights and he has everything to loose by not showing up....the longer he waits, the lower he gets on the depth chart.

Sorry, but showing your "strength" by taking your best RB and keeping him out of camp seems relatively dumb to me. Sure, the Packers hold all the cards here...but it is in the best interest of the team to get Grant in camp sooner rather than later. The team has already committed to a QB with little experience...having as many weapons as possible ready to go for him is paramount.

It isn't Green Bay keeping Grant out of camp, it's Grant's agent keeping Grant out of camp. Herman has used the Devon Hester arguement in the Grant deal. Here's the thing. Devon Hester is the biggest weapon the Bears have. He has done his thing consistently for 2 full seasons now. He is far more proven than Grant is. So of course he's gonna get more money.

If Herman wants to compare anything, he should be looking up the salaries given to other players after 9 games of production. He should look at what Houston gave to Samkon Gado a couple seasons ago and try to get that, with some extra money available through incentives. That way Grant at least gets what Gado gets even if he doesn't do didly squat the rest of his career, and if he becomes a star he can get paid like one. As of right now, he's had 9 good games. He's not a star just yet. He shouldn't be guaranteed a star's salary just yet either.

[The Leaper]

It isn't Green Bay keeping Grant out of camp, it's Grant's agent keeping Grant out of camp.

True.

My point was directed at claiming Green Bay holds all the cards and should play hardball...let Grant become third string if you have to.

To me, that doesn't make any sense for Green Bay. Grant is a valuable player. The Packers should do everything within reason to get him on the field as soon as possible.

[Gunakor]

It isn't Green Bay keeping Grant out of camp, it's Grant's agent keeping Grant out of camp.

True.

My point was directed at claiming Green Bay holds all the cards and should play hardball...let Grant become third string if you have to.

To me, that doesn't make any sense for Green Bay. Grant is a valuable player. The Packers should do everything within reason to get him on the field as soon as possible.

Again, I agree. But we don't know if it's Green Bay being unreasonable or Ryan Grant/his agent. When the story broke that his agent was using Devon Hester as his comparison, it led me to believe that it was Herman who was being unreasonable. I don't think Grant is that important that Thompson should agree to an unreasonably heavy contract just to get Grant onto the practice field.

[The Leaper]

Again, I agree. But we don't know if it's Green Bay being unreasonable or Ryan Grant/his agent. When the story broke that his agent was using Devon Hester as his comparison, it led me to believe that it was Herman who was being unreasonable. I don't think Grant is that important that Thompson should agree to an unreasonably heavy contract just to get Grant onto the practice field.

Yeah, I don't know who is to blame either.

Obviously, mentioning Hester is a negative for Grant's side. Grant isn't comparable to Hester IMO. The $1.75M in guaranteed money offered by Green Bay is a negative on the Packer's side. I don't think Grant should get crazy money...but for a 6 year deal that basically removes Grant from having any chance at free agency in the future, the Packers should offer at least $4-5M guaranteed. That isn't much for a starting RB.

So, I'm guessing both sides are to blame to some extent.