OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[prsnfoto]

Favre has played in 92 games in which his team trailed by 8 or less points with 5:00 or less to play in the 4th...

His record in those games 23-69.

Partial will conveniently ignore this.

This seems very suspect since he has over 40 game winning drives to his credit. Did you pull this out of your ass right before you inserted TT.

40 is in the 4th or OT. The 4th quarter is 15:00. The stat that Chevelle put up is the final 5:00.

He has 93 losses and 160 wins as a QB it is a lot easier to believe 25% of his wins are comeback than it is to believe that 74% of his losses have been in the last 5 minutes down by 8 or less. I am pretty sure TT found a warm new home.

[Gunakor]

Favre has played in 92 games in which his team trailed by 8 or less points with 5:00 or less to play in the 4th...

His record in those games 23-69.

Partial will conveniently ignore this.

This seems very suspect since he has over 40 game winning drives to his credit. Did you pull this out of your ass right before you inserted TT.

40 is in the 4th or OT. The 4th quarter is 15:00. The stat that Chevelle put up is the final 5:00.

He has 93 losses and 160 wins as a QB it is a lot easier to believe 25% of his wins are comeback than it is to believe that 74% of his losses have been in the last 5 minutes down by 8 or less. I am pretty sure TT found a warm new home.

Why don't you produce a stat then that proves Chevelle's story wrong then? None of this "It's a lot easier to believe" crap, just the black and white facts that cannot be disputed. Chevelle posted a fact that is not reliant on ones "belief". Favre has 40 fourth quarter comebacks, most of those coming with the winning points scored well before the 5 minute mark and the defense protecting that lead until the final gun. This isn't opinion or belief, it is reality and can be proven simply by looking in a stat book. If you'd like to dispute his claim, then provide supporting evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, how would we know you aren't pulling your facts out of your ass right before you insert BF?

[HarveyWallbangers]

23-69 may not be a bad record for being behind with 5 minutes left. We don't know if he even got the ball in position to score the tying or go ahead points in some of these games. We don't know whether the offense scored and then the defense gave it up. We don't know if the team was down 8 and needed a TD and two point conversion. We don't know if he got the team in position and the kicker missed. Heck, there wasn't even a two point conversion his first two years with the Packers, so some of these games could have been played when an 8 point deficit with 5 minutes left was nearly insurmountable. We need more context. I'd guess most QBs are well under .500 in these same situations.

[Zool]

23-69 may not be a bad record for being behind with 5 minutes left. We don't know if he even got the ball in position to score the tying or go ahead points in some of these games. We don't know whether the offense scored and then the defense gave it up. We don't know if the team was down 8 and needed a TD and two point conversion. We don't know if he got the team in position and the kicker missed. Heck, there wasn't even a two point conversion his first two years with the Packers, so some of these games could have been played when an 8 point deficit with 5 minutes left was nearly insurmountable. We need more context. I'd guess most QBs are well under .500 in these same situations.

I dont think anyone is saying its a bad stat, but its a very telling stat to the "Aaron Rodgers sucks" crew.

[Gunakor]

23-69 may not be a bad record for being behind with 5 minutes left. We don't know if he even got the ball in position to score the tying or go ahead points in some of these games. We don't know whether the offense scored and then the defense gave it up. We don't know if the team was down 8 and needed a TD and two point conversion. We don't know if he got the team in position and the kicker missed. Heck, there wasn't even a two point conversion his first two years with the Packers, so some of these games could have been played when an 8 point deficit with 5 minutes left was nearly insurmountable. We need more context. I'd guess most QBs are well under .500 in these same situations.

If Rodgers wasn't at or slightly over .500 in these situations this season, we still don't make the playoffs and it's still Aaron's fault. Because, of course, regardless of Favre's record in these situations during his career, he'd have been 6 for 6 in that situation THIS year. And we'd be going to the playoffs. Just ask Partial or Paco, they'll tell you. They know.

[prsnfoto]

Favre has played in 92 games in which his team trailed by 8 or less points with 5:00 or less to play in the 4th...

His record in those games 23-69.

Partial will conveniently ignore this.

This seems very suspect since he has over 40 game winning drives to his credit. Did you pull this out of your ass right before you inserted TT.

40 is in the 4th or OT. The 4th quarter is 15:00. The stat that Chevelle put up is the final 5:00.

He has 93 losses and 160 wins as a QB it is a lot easier to believe 25% of his wins are comeback than it is to believe that 74% of his losses have been in the last 5 minutes down by 8 or less. I am pretty sure TT found a warm new home.

Why don't you produce a stat then that proves Chevelle's story wrong then? None of this "It's a lot easier to believe" crap, just the black and white facts that cannot be disputed. Chevelle posted a fact that is not reliant on ones "belief". Favre has 40 fourth quarter comebacks, most of those coming with the winning points scored well before the 5 minute mark and the defense protecting that lead until the final gun. This isn't opinion or belief, it is reality and can be proven simply by looking in a stat book. If you'd like to dispute his claim, then provide supporting evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, how would we know you aren't pulling your facts out of your ass right before you insert BF?

I googled the stats and could not find his to be true he did not give a reference and yet you take his to be fact I did not state mine to be a fact but simply find that hard to believe. I did look at Favre's overall record and found it on Stat's to be 160-93 now if you think the Packers only lost 24 games in 16 years by 8 points or less then by all means I am a fucktard I was not taking a shot at AR or loving BF I simply don't believe it, as far as Chevelle goes he is TT lover BF hater on this site and Packerchatters, I don't like TT and make no bones about it but he has been GM for 4 years and has a losing record and has to have at least 10 loses by 8 or more.(Just a guess buddy)

[Gunakor]

Favre has played in 92 games in which his team trailed by 8 or less points with 5:00 or less to play in the 4th...

His record in those games 23-69.

Partial will conveniently ignore this.

This seems very suspect since he has over 40 game winning drives to his credit. Did you pull this out of your ass right before you inserted TT.

40 is in the 4th or OT. The 4th quarter is 15:00. The stat that Chevelle put up is the final 5:00.

He has 93 losses and 160 wins as a QB it is a lot easier to believe 25% of his wins are comeback than it is to believe that 74% of his losses have been in the last 5 minutes down by 8 or less. I am pretty sure TT found a warm new home.

Why don't you produce a stat then that proves Chevelle's story wrong then? None of this "It's a lot easier to believe" crap, just the black and white facts that cannot be disputed. Chevelle posted a fact that is not reliant on ones "belief". Favre has 40 fourth quarter comebacks, most of those coming with the winning points scored well before the 5 minute mark and the defense protecting that lead until the final gun. This isn't opinion or belief, it is reality and can be proven simply by looking in a stat book. If you'd like to dispute his claim, then provide supporting evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, how would we know you aren't pulling your facts out of your ass right before you insert BF?

I googled the stats and could not find his to be true he did not give a reference and yet you take his to be fact I did not state mine to be a fact but simply find that hard to believe. I did look at Favre's overall record and found it on Stat's to be 160-93 now if you think the Packers only lost 24 games in 16 years by 8 points or less then by all means I am a fucktard I was not taking a shot at AR or loving BF I simply don't believe it, as far as Chevelle goes he is TT lover BF hater on this site and Packerchatters, I don't like TT and make no bones about it but he has been GM for 4 years and has a losing record and has to have at least 10 loses by 8 or more.(Just a guess buddy)

Well, you have a valid point. Chevelle, please post a link to where you have gotten your info from.

That said, I tend to believe him not simply because I agree with him, but moreso because he presented his argument as fact. He used clear numbers rather than estimates (i.e. "92" games in that situation as opposed to "90" or "100", and has "23" wins in that situation as opposed to "20" or "25"), and refrained from the phrase "I find it easier/harder to believe...". His LOOKS like fact, yours obviously is a guess.

[Chevelle2]

Heres the link fellas

http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/sports/318605

According to STATS, Inc., before Sunday's game, Favre had played in 92 games in which his team was trailing by 8 points or fewer with 5 minutes or less remaining in the fourth quarter. Favre's record in those games? 23-69.

[Gunakor]

Heres the link fellas

http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/sports/318605

According to STATS, Inc., before Sunday's game, Favre had played in 92 games in which his team was trailing by 8 points or fewer with 5 minutes or less remaining in the fourth quarter. Favre's record in those games? 23-69.

Prsnfoto, is the Wisconsin State Journal wrong here? I don't think they could print/post a story like this if they didn't do their homework and verify their facts first. I don't think they are guessing.

[gex]

another bad game by favre. he is wearing out his welcome on jets fans.

just make the playoffs so i can get my 2nd round pick old man

Oh, c'mon........you guys that continue to "keep an eye" on Favre use the excuse that it's just all about the draft pick the Packers will get. Can't admit you still want to follow him!

....it's ok, really! :P

Jets fans will be just fine as long as the Jets are winning games.

QFT...

packers would certainly switch records

Most of the threads srtarted with Favre in the title or directly related to him are started by these very same people.

[Fritz]

Heres the link fellas

http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/sports/318605

According to STATS, Inc., before Sunday's game, Favre had played in 92 games in which his team was trailing by 8 points or fewer with 5 minutes or less remaining in the fourth quarter. Favre's record in those games? 23-69.

Prsnfoto, is the Wisconsin State Journal wrong here? I don't think they could print/post a story like this if they didn't do their homework and verify their facts first. I don't think they are guessing.

Nicely done, Chevelle. Partial likes to throw "facts" out there all the time. Seems he's having a hard time with this one.

[Chevelle2]

Heres the link fellas

http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/sports/318605

According to STATS, Inc., before Sunday's game, Favre had played in 92 games in which his team was trailing by 8 points or fewer with 5 minutes or less remaining in the fourth quarter. Favre's record in those games? 23-69.

Prsnfoto, is the Wisconsin State Journal wrong here? I don't think they could print/post a story like this if they didn't do their homework and verify their facts first. I don't think they are guessing.

Nicely done, Chevelle. Partial likes to throw "facts" out there all the time. Seems he's having a hard time with this one.

No doubt....although I could have avoided this by just linking it the first time

[gex]

Phins vs Bretts Jets............its gonna be good!

[Badgerinmaine]

"The Jets, and Brett Favre, are done", saith New York Magazine:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/12/the_jets_and_brett_favre_are_d.html

[packinpatland]

Honest, I'm not trying to rationalize this.......but geeez, I've watched every Jet game this season......when the protection was there, Favre was too. He doesn't lead the league with the 30 sacs, but that's alot.
This probably would be a good time to call it quits.