OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[gex]

What if he's dragging this out so he can use PED's and be away from testing?

I'm shocked he needs that much attention. I just can't buy that. It's just so bizarre and diva-like for a guy who's supposed to be so tough and man-like.

I think the magnitude of Favre's mental and physical toughness is matched only by his need for emotional reassurance.

+1

And because TT and MM wouldn't kiss Favre's...ring...that may have been the beginning of the end of #4 in GB. It is remarkable how a guy like that has such a need to feel wanted and loved.

Not sure it's that really. He's an old, veteran player, who can play at a very high level. I think he just thought the respect for him was so deep that if changed his mind on retirement the packers would be elated to have him return. I mean, think if after elway's 2nd SB win, if he retired... but then as TC went on he wanted to come back - would denver of told him no, and then back peddle and say fine but you aren't guarenteed your starter spot? There are very, very few scenarios where a QB coming off a very good season (some argued MVP like at the time) in 2007 - been the franchise for 16 years, where a team would not welcome the player back. Even with AR in the wings, you can't really say we knew what we had yet at that point. Favre just had his best seasons arguablly since the 90's, and was | | close to being in the SB again. Most teams would call it crazy to not be begging him to return.

And admit it - even with his int in OT, most of us most likely wanted him back. How could we not? NFC Champion game no one saw coming entering 2007, Favre played out of his mind in a lot of must win games (really, his 2007 season was one to remember). When the game was on the line throughout all of 2007, Favre seemed to come through every time. I mean, this was the sort of Favre we all wanted, the sort of #4 we expected. The man that with the game on the line is going to get it done. Then he threw the NFC Champ int. Sorry, I can safely say I wanted him back.

2 years later the packers look the wiser, even though Favre played legitimate MVP caliber player last season. Would Favre have hit Jennings first play of OT last season in arizona? Most likely, yeah, but AR would of never got that growing experience either. Long haul, it was good to have AR out there. Plus, AR is on the cusp too of being a super star, he just has to start coming through in those moments in the playoffs.


Favre "should" be coming back this season. The vikings drafted as if he was coming back. Everyone expects him to come back. The vikings are built to win now - their window is litterally now. ANd it's only really open for maybe another year after this. They are losing too many of their good players to age. Favre knows this, and that is why he wanted to go there anyways. The team is built perfectly for him to get it done.

I don't think he's dragging this out for attention... at least not this year. He said he most likely needed minor ankle surgery to play again on his site. So? He didn't call any media outlets to make some big deal of it. So him and childress have been texting all offseason. So? Not like he released that information either, it's just really common stuff.

I think the big shocker is if he DOESN'T come back.

And like someone else said - favre actually played really well in the saints game. Especially when you start to remember the beatdown he was given all game. A beatdown of which Peyton Manning can't even imagine. I wonder sometimes how he would of responded if he was beat down in a similar fashion. Favre just kept coming back. Could barely hobble around and was still running to make blocks on run plays, still in the middle of piles jumping all over the what was it, 4 fumbles his team had? He did throw two ints. One of them wasn't that costly, and is just one of those "it happens" plays. Considering up to that point the pounding he had taken, and how he played before and after that pick, it was really irrelevant.

The 2nd pick was obviously a game killer, even though the vikings admitted they were out of longwells range. That still doesn't excuse the throw. He could of ran forward even a yard and fell. At least given longwell a shot. No guarentee they win - he still could of missed the long FG, still went to OT, and Favre may have never had a chance in OT to win it. The int in 2007 was far worse - that int directly lead to the loss. The int last year didn't = the vikings were not in guarenteed winning position, and they still went to OT. Either way, one could argue the total lack of coaching discipline on the sidelines that lead to the 12 men in the huddle penalty is what really wrecked it for the vikings. That was 10x more embarassing than a forced throw pick when the vikings were out of range. They would of never needed to throw it. Good job, childress. It was almost as bad as the no call helmet to helmet on Rodgers the play before the fumble.

And... I'm not even sure the vikings stay in that game without Favre last season. Not sure jackson would of responded as well with the beatdown - favre was making up for fumbles the entire 2nd half. I mean - if AP grips the handoff at the goal line - vikings at least get a FG. They win. Harvin holds on - they get a FG - they win. Berrian holds on - they get a fg - they win.

It wasn't really just favre.

Maybe it was all karma, but barring his body not being able to handle it - I see #4 coming back for one more.

Your pissing in the wind there 1234, Harrel and his kind dont want to hear any good things about the Packer legend. They find it easier to just take your post line for line and tear it down.
They want everyone to conform to the what they believe or don't even bother coming to PR to post.
They are still very hurt and angry from the last 18 years of winning football in Green Bay.

[Scott Campbell]

Reassure him it wasn't all his fault - it's a team game and team loss. And let him know he would be a intrigal part in a SB run in 2008.

From all indications, the packers didn't do that.

1) You have no idea what they did or did not say to him
2) You don't beg players to come back if they're intent on retiring. I don't see the Cards groveling to Kurt Warner.

[packerbacker1234]

Would Favre have hit Jennings first play of OT last season in arizona? Most likely, yeah....

Would Favre have been able to carry the team on his back to overtime? Most likely, no.

See saints game. Yeah he threw the int, but it went to OT, and big reason the vikings were even able to be tied to go to OT was because of favre. Remember, the vikings fumbled it and lost the fumble 4 TIMES in the second half, the QB was getting hammered all game, and #4 kept getting up and leading the vikings down the field every time they had the ball. Would he of orchestrated the big comback rodgers did? No. I wasn't talking about that. I said the one throw over the middle to a wide open guy to win the game, some 20 yard pass? Yeah, a good veteran QB connects on that throw 99% of the time. An eager, inexperienced in big games, young, overexcited QB is most likely a 75% chance. You see that guy for your first time in a big game to WIN it and suddenly you just get super excited. Hard to calm that down to make sure that ball is not overthrown.

In many ways, it was much easier to orchestrate teh comeback then to make that throw. Once they were down 21 - there really was no pressure on him. The game was "lost", the defense played looser because thats just what happens when you have a big lead, and rodgers picked it apart. Then we get a gutsy onside kick... and it's a whole new game.

Rodgers gets credit for not pulling a favre - favre tends to just chuck it up when he's down big, they both have their good and bad qualities.

[Scott Campbell]

Your pissing in the wind there 1234, Harrel and his kind dont want to hear any good things about the Packer legend. They find it easier to just take your post line for line and tear it down.
They want everyone to conform to the what they believe or don't even bother coming to PR to post.
They are still very hurt and angry from the last 18 years of winning football in Green Bay.

Hey, how bout you stop taking personal shots at other posters?

[packerbacker1234]

Reassure him it wasn't all his fault - it's a team game and team loss. And let him know he would be a intrigal part in a SB run in 2008.

From all indications, the packers didn't do that.

1) You have no idea what they did or did not say to him
2) You don't beg players to come back if they're intent on retiring. I don't see the Cards groveling to Kurt Warner.

I bet you last season the cardinals were all over Kurt, doing anything they could to convince him to come back after that SB loss. Kurt also doesn't seem to have as hard of a time letting go either. I am sure he informed the cardinals of his decision to retire after the season even before the playoffs.

Favre we seem to only know of because the media is in love with the guy. They weren't in love with Kurt Warner for the most part. you certaintly were hearing stories of the cardinals "text messaging Kurt" last season - though I am sure it happened too. Look at the media first, then look at the people involved.

[Scott Campbell]

Yeah, a good veteran QB connects on that throw 99% of the time.

99%???? Jesus Christ himself doesn't have a 99% completion rate.

It was a tough deep throw, and good QB's connect at a 65% clip. Jennings was coming out of a double move. It was a difficult throw. Watch the tape.

[Scott Campbell]

I bet you last season the cardinals were all over Kurt, doing anything they could to convince him to come back after that SB loss. Kurt also doesn't seem to have as hard of a time letting go either. I am sure he informed the cardinals of his decision to retire after the season even before the playoffs.

You're projecting a lot, based on very little. Who knows what happened? I sure won't presume to.

[gex]

Reassure him it wasn't all his fault - it's a team game and team loss. And let him know he would be a intrigal part in a SB run in 2008.

From all indications, the packers didn't do that.

1) You have no idea what they did or did not say to him
2) You don't beg players to come back if they're intent on retiring. I don't see the Cards groveling to Kurt Warner.

And Scott has his finger on the pulse of Packer Nation for the middle of Utah..LOL...Gets a good feel for how Packer fans or even football fans in general feel about their team by hanging out and talking about the game with all his friends

[packerbacker1234]

Considering up to that point the pounding he had taken, and how he played before and after that pick, it was really irrelevant.

He inexplicably cost them a trip to the Superbowl, and totally ruined their season with one boneheaded choke job. But otherwise it was really irrelevant.

he threw two picks in the game. The first one was irrelevent to the outcome. Or if you want to think the first one was relevant, then sure the 4 fumbles all in saints territory were even more relevant.

So yeah, he signle handly cost them a SB... or maybe AP did botching the handoff... or flat out fumbling after getting hit on another drive. Or maybe it was percy harvin who fumbled it in saints territory... or benard berrian who also did the same thing - all while favre was repeatedly driving them into saints territory, in scoring range, to watch his fellow teammates drop the ball right back to the saints.

Did you even watch the same game? He made one bad throw - that has nothing to do with the fact that that throw is on par with every other player who turned it over in saints territory. Take ANY of those turnovers back, vikings win.

[Scott Campbell]

How many of those guys made $12M last year. Their leader let them down.

This is not Detroit man, THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL!

[RashanGary]

How about this old gem from Gex. . . Sounds like he's the angry one wanting people to conform to his opinion.

Jesus is droppimg hints that he might want to come back and save us peons, but all the HATERS say is "no thanks we are moving on without you with our science and technology" Don't listen to the HATERS, the selfish ones, the what have you done for me lately crowd. They seem to be the same one's always obsessed with THIS IS MY MONEY, ME,ME.ME. Favre gave everything he could for this franchise year in and year out, the MAN deserves better than the me,me,me, peons saying what they are saying.
Trade Aaron so he can start somewhere if you think he deserves it. You HATERS will be the first caliing for his head when things dont go so well anyways. NO sense of loyalty, fkn neo-cons.

[Scott Campbell]

And Scott has his finger on the pulse of Packer Nation for the middle of Utah..LOL...

As opposed to what - aisle 3 - plumbing?

[ThunderDan]

The problem is: BF did call TT and ask to unretire. TT and MM said fine we will fly down to Mississippi and discuss bringing you back. And then BF backed out again.

There is no way that TT and MM could have put BF on the bench after his 2007 season if he didn't retire and play the waffle game. The outrage after being 1 pass away from the Super Bowl would have been to much for the fans.

[ThunderDan]

You can't sit a QB who throws for 4,155 yards, 66.5%, 28 tds, 15 int and a 95.7 passer rating who takes your QB 1 game from the SB unless ..... he retires and waffles and in the end really didn't want to play under TT and MM anymore.

[RashanGary]

Here's another gex gem

BuBBLHEAD=HATER, Face it you don't like Favre, You have no sense of LOYALITY! What does a MAN who gave EVERTHING he had to give to a team, a city a state, have to prove anythng to a punk like you.

Yeah, looks like we're the ones who are angry that people don't share our opinions