OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Pugger]

The little problem with your logic above is that Favre DID retire. That left the team in kind of a stupid position, no? Also, as I recall, no one asked Favre to warm the bench, just to compete for the starting position. Speculation is that he may well have lost that competition and evidence in hindsight supports that position. Everyone knew he could still play, though not to the level he could when he was younger, and not in the cold in Lambeau with the season on the line it seems. So if they keep him, they lose Rodgers and we're sitting here now excoriating TT for letting the future walk out the door for an old QB who freezes when the mercury falls or let the dude go off to a dome where the weather isn't a factor. I'm pretty sure that they did the right thing, because Favre's final year was exactly as I'd have predicted. Beats us twice and then loses when it's all on the line. And you're right Favre is the same guy, but not the one you think. He's the guy who cheated on his wife repeatedly and got himself hooked on painkillers at the height of his success. The same guy who created a "will he or won't he" drama for how many years? By the time he actually retired (the first time, anyway) I was almost rooting for it because I was sick of the annual circus. The guy couldn't take a dump without the media focusing on him and he brought a whole lot of that on himself. So if he wants to retire a Viking, that's fine by me. They can retire his "Thanks Ted" jersey.

You said it, sister!

[George Cumby]

yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.

You dropped pretty quick into Diaper-accusation Mode dincha'?

Methinks you got nothin'.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck,

I am/was a big Brett Favre fan, but the guy was mostly (if not totally) at fault for how that went down. If you don't see that then you simply aren't being objective. Favre has another side to him then that includes selfishness, anger, stubbornness, and entitlement that we couldn't (or at least I couldn't) see through all the laughter, fist pumps, and touchdown celebrations throughout the years.

Favre has a great personality and he makes it easy for you to like him. The way he used to play the game made football extremely fun to watch, but unforgettably that will not be my only memories I will have of him. I will also remember him going on national TV to throw his life long team under the bus, sending pictures of himself to a cheerleader, and retiring from the Jets clearly to escape his contract with them to play for the Vikings.

If Brett was such a wholesome good guy like we all thought he was then what happened to honoring your contract? Didn't he call Javon Walker out for not honoring his contract? I find it funny that he retires from the jets, who then promptly release him, just so he can sign with the Vikings. What happened to his principles that he supposedly once felt so strongly about? Or are we supposed to believe that retiring from the Jets after the season was b/c "he couldn't commit to the team at that present time." Take off the Brett Favre sun glasses bro and enjoy the good times and realize the bad.

I appreciate your position but sorry Packer fan. I'm not joining you or anyone else on this board that stands down on Brett Favre as the football player he was. I don't believe I'll live to ever see a more exciting man stand behind center on any football field.

Thus as a Green Bay Packer and NFL fan for over five decades and as that football player I enjoyed in Brett Favre. I hold Brett Favre in 'the highest esteem'.

Did the human side of him paint him as a man that disappointed me? of course he wasn't perfect but who in a lifetime is? It's that fact that allowed me to rationalize or sift out the crap and his life (ways). When you reach my age you might better understand me and this position. I sincerely hope that life leads you in that direction.

The scandalous parts of him that surfaced made me cringe. I had to overcome a lot there to arrive where I am and Brett Favre today. Arriving there I'm happy to believe that my position is best for me. Any Packer fan that chooses to go on criticizing Brett Favre for the emotional or human weakness that they perceive in him, is simply to me a fair and different take from the one I've chosen and will remain with.

GO PACK GO !

[MadtownPacker]

yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.

This thread brings you out? Haha! Guess it is gonna make it to 10k!

[PackerBlues]

from http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/bio/ ..........

Retirement and return (2008)

On March 4, 2008, Favre formally announced his retirement. On July 2, 2008, it was reported that Favre was in contact with the Packers about a possible return to the team. On July 11, 2008, Favre sent a letter to the Packers asking for his unconditional release to allow him to play for another NFL team. Packers general manager Ted Thompson announced he would not grant Favre an unconditional release and reaffirmed the organization's commitment to Aaron Rodgers as its new quarterback. Complicating matters was Favre's unique contract giving him the leverage to void any potential trade by not reporting to the camp of the team he might be traded to if the Packers elect to go that route.

Favre spoke publicly for the first time about his potential comeback in a July 14, 2008, interview with Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel's On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. In the interview, Favre said he was "guilty of retiring early," that he was "never fully committed" to retirement, and that he was pressured by the Packers to make a decision before the NFL Draft and the start of the free agent signing period. Favre disputed the notion that he doesn't want to play for Green Bay and said that while he understands the organization has decided to move on, they should now allow him to do the same. He made clear that he would not return to the Packers as a backup and reiterated his desire to be released rather than traded, which would allow him the freedom to play for a competitive team. Favre also accused the Packers of being dishonest, wishing the team would have been straightforward with him and the public.

In the second part of the interview, which aired on July 15, Favre expressed his frustration with Packer management, spoke of his sympathy for successor Aaron Rodgers' predicament, and affirmed he is 100 percent committed to playing football in 2008.

Favre formally filed for reinstatement with the NFL on July 29, 2008, and his petition was granted by Commissioner Goodell, effective August 4, 2008. Favre then flew to Green Bay to report to Packers training camp. After a lengthy meeting with head coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson, however, both sides agreed it was time for Favre and the organization to part ways
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We can all remember things differently, or revise history to suit our own arguments. The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument. From what i recall of that year, Favre had a crap O-line to play behind with such greats as "The Human Turnstyle" playing in front of him. I honestly dont think any other QB could have produced a winning record with that team.

again, put yourselves in his shoes, its not like this all just happened out of the blue.

So, lets say that YOU are a professional QB in the NFL. The team YOU play for, hadnt even made it into a playoff game in over 10 years prior to YOUR arrival.
YOU have played with that same team for 14 years, without missing one single start. YOU have played in two Super Bowls, YOU have won 3 consecutive MVP awards, YOU have set the NFL record for 13 consecutive winning seasons..........along with a number of other records, to many to mention. People refer to YOU as a Gunslinger, and always talk about how YOU play the QB position with so much heart and passion.

You have been through a lot with this team, but now, there is a new GM, and a new Head Coach. The GM has made it very clear to YOU, that he is going to rebuild, hoping that YOU will either retire, or stick around and do YOUR part to help sell tickets while the team works its way through the rebuilding process. Most if not all of the veteran players that YOU had played with have been cut or let go via free agency. YOU are nearly twice as old as most of the other players on the team and YOU want to chase one more Super Bowl before YOU retire. YOUR replacement has been drafted and is ready to play. YOU are sick of looking over YOUR shoulder, and the team decides it wants YOU in their past, not in their future (except maybe to help peddle merchandise, lol) The GM has told YOU that he will not release YOU outright, even though he thinks that the team has a better chance of winning with his #1 draft pick than with YOU at the QB position........and the new Head Coach agrees with the GM (can you say "yes man"?)
In the previous couple of years, YOU have had to deal with YOUR Fathers death, YOUR wifes cancer scare, the accidental death of YOUR brother-in-law, and the destruction of the family home by way of Hurricane Katrina......and now YOU have to deal with this.

So, How would YOU have dealt with the situation, in a way that would be so much better than how Favre handled it? Please, step down from YOUR high-horse for a moment and enlighten us all as to what YOU would have done differently.

Personally, I would probably have sent a picture of MY weiner to a cheerleader and just moved on.

[PackerBlues]

This thread brings you out? Haha! Guess it is gonna make it to 10k!

Hey Madtown ya, the comment in the news recently by Rodgers about it being "past due" for Favre to return to GB really chapped my hide, lol. Funny he didnt feel that way in 2008, lol.
I had to go somewher to vent, and this was always a fun place to troll and school the youngsters out there about the greatest QB to ever play the game (I'm not referring to A-rod ).

[woodbuck27]

This sentence that you wrote I think clearly illustrates your issues. I did not write that. I think you see a post from someone who you label a "Favre Hater" and you are so ready to write another novelle that you don't realize what was truly written.

I wrote that if BF retired and TT & MM did nothing but hope that BF would unretire for the 2008 season I would call for their jobs. TT and MM have to run the franchise. When BF retired, meaning isn't employed by the Packers anymore, they had to address the QB position.

And boy did they, the promoted ARod right away and even drafted 2 QBs (Brohm and Flynn) to make sure that they had a QB on the roster who could play. That's what a competent management team does. They don't sit on their asses and hope their future HOF QB who retired will come back and save the franchise in 2008.

"This sentence that you wrote I think clearly illustrates your issues." ThunderDan:

I don't have issues. It's you mister that has 'the issue'. Your issue is that you want to make this personal. Somehow you feel a personal need to take me on.

You draw a very fine distinction in what you write and what you claim you meant Vs how I interpreted what you wrote ThunderDan.

You want to really know what the issue is ThunderDan. It's an issue gone personal between 'You and I'. I have no idea even how it got here; but 'no less' here it is. It's also going to end with this post to you.

You've somehow come to a personal need to target me. I don't appreciate that negative attention, nor do I have to put up with it. In real life you and I would have serious issues. We would end up in one another's faces. It's not beginning right now ever going to go there on Packerrats.

I'm not going to allow 'you and I'; to get painted all over on this forum. I don't expect this post to you to be pointless. Your manners and agenda Vs me will not push it towards some unnecessary extreme. Let go of yourself and me.

Think about that please. I'm requesting politely that you don't post me until you arrive at a better response from within yourself, if that's possible.

Because I take a position different from you. I don't have to put up with your re-current obsessions to target me. That's my bottom line and and finally my line drawn in the sand and 'you' ThunderDan. I won't put up with your BS and with your agenda to target me.

Don't deny that I don't have this 100% correct. Otherwise, you'd be. I'll be polite...fooling yourself.

You have a decision to make. Make the right decision please.

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

I had to go somewher to vent, and this was always a fun place to troll and school the youngsters out there about the greatest QB to ever play the game (I'm not referring to A-rod ).

Bart Starr, or are you too young to realize that!

[MadtownPacker]

Do you want to take ThunderDan out to the meadow Mr Woody?

[MadtownPacker]

Hey Madtown ya, the comment in the news recently by Rodgers about it being "past due" for Favre to return to GB really chapped my hide, lol. Funny he didnt feel that way in 2008, lol.
I had to go somewher to vent, and this was always a fun place to troll and school the youngsters out there about the greatest QB to ever play the game (I'm not referring to A-rod ).

Ha! You crazy SOB, ARod just trying to do the right thing now that all that mess is behind him. Sadly not many fans can say the same I guess.

[Cleft Crusty]

again, put yourselves in his shoes, its not like this all just happened out of the blue.

So, lets say that YOU ... YOU ...YOUR arrival.
YOU ... YOU ...YOU ... YOU .... YOU play ... You have been through a lot with this team, but now, .... YOUR ... YOU ... YOU retire. YOUR ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOUR wifes cancer scare, the accidental death of YOUR ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU....

...and just moved on.

There is no "You" in team. Your post illustrates very clearly how obsessed Favre, and all his FFFs became focused primarily on him over the Packers. Very revealing.

[Fritz]

Let's see if I am following your line of thinking, PackerBlues:

You claim in a post that Favre should not be blamed for wanting to retire - or leave Green Bay? - because the organization pulled the rug out from under him and went into rebuilding mode instead of trying to put together one more championship run for the old man.

When a couple posters point out that your argument is factually wrong - that Favre left, retired, whatever, after a 13-3 season, which in no universe can be considered a "rebuilding" team - you respond with this: " The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument."

The best I can figure is that you're saying the Packers rebuilt for two years - the 4-12 season, Thompson's first year with the lame-duck Sherman, and the 8-8 season, McCarthy's first year. That 13-3 season somehow doesn't count? - Because it was only because of Favre that the team won thirteen games? No other QB could have lead that team to even a winning record, I think you wrote.

You have a rich fantasy life.

[Patler]

We can all remember things differently, or revise history to suit our own arguments. The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument. From what i recall of that year, Favre had a crap O-line to play behind with such greats as "The Human Turnstyle" playing in front of him. I honestly dont think any other QB could have produced a winning record with that team.

You are correct, we can all remember things differently.

I remember Favre playing very well that year, and being responsible for several big wins. But I also remember Favre playing that year behind a line that included Clifton and Tauscher at the tackles in the primes of their careers as 8th year pros, and Wells being the center just emerging as a solid starter. I remember Spitz being then uninjured, and looking to have a real future with the team at any one of the three inside positions, not a weak link at all. I remember the other guard to be the hot and cold Colledge, but a well-regarded prospect. I remember Favre playing with a running back who averaged 5+yds/carry running behind that O-line, getting nearly 1000 yards in basically 8-9 games. I remember Favre playing with a defense and special teams that scored 6 touchdowns. I remember Favre playing with a kicker who lead the league in scoring. I remember a defense that was among the best in points against and opponent QB rating. I remember a team that made big plays on defense and special teams at the ends of games, not just on offense.

...and you remember it as a team that couldn't have had a winning record but for Favre.

[Zool]

You are correct, we can all remember things differently.

I remember Favre playing very well that year, and being responsible for several big wins. But I also remember Favre playing that year behind a line that included Clifton and Tauscher at the tackles in the primes of their careers as 8th year pros, and Wells being the center just emerging as a solid starter. I remember Spitz being then uninjured, and looking to have a real future with the team at any one of the three inside positions, not a weak link at all. I remember the other guard to be the hot and cold Colledge, but a well-regarded prospect. I remember Favre playing with a running back who averaged 5+yds/carry running behind that O-line, getting nearly 1000 yards in basically 8-9 games. I remember Favre playing with a defense and special teams that scored 6 touchdowns. I remember Favre playing with a kicker who lead the league in scoring. I remember a defense that was among the best in points against and opponent QB rating. I remember a team that made big plays on defense and special teams at the ends of games, not just on offense.

...and you remember it as a team that couldn't have had a winning record but for Favre.

Ahh the old Green Bay Favres. I used to love watching those 50 yard Favre to Favre bombs. Remember that game the Favres got 8 sacks?

[Cleft Crusty]

Ahh the old Green Bay Favres. I used to love watching those 50 yard Favre to Favre bombs. Remember that game the Favres got 8 sacks?

According to the team photographer, Brent Favre, Favre only had one sack.