OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Zool]

Mother of God.

Are we conducting yet another post-mortem on this?

Or is everyone just responding the ravings of one very passionate yet deluded and possibly crazy Canadian?

Fuggit, I'll bite because I want to be a team player and get this crappy thread to 500.

IMO, Favre is a narcissistic douche. He is an immature, self-serving, self-centered, dickpick-taking middle age man who failed miserably at transitioning into that middle age.

He was perhaps the best regular season player of all time. His best moments were truly breath-taking. He is a first round HOFer and deserves to have his number retired by the Packers.

IMO, there is no need to delve too deeply into the man-child's psyche when pondering his messy separation from the Packers. His feelings were hurt and he reacted the way a spoiled and over-indulged child reacts when their feeelings are hurt. He/she throws a tantrum. (Now if I were to go Freudian here, I would say his powerful reaction stemmed from deep-seated feelings of rejection and not being good enough to please ole' Irv. Or not.)

TT is a great GM. he and M3 handled the divorce pretty well although there were some real cockups. I still don't get the locker thing.

Right on GC. He, like many other pro athletes, has Peter Pan Syndrome. Never forced to grow up, and then for some reason we're surprised when they act like children.

He burned bridges on purpose on his way out of town and has done nothing publicly to build them up again. We really need to put this thing to bed once and for all.

[woodbuck27]

For accuracy's sake, the Jets finished with 9 wins (not 10) in 2008. Favre threw for 22 TDs (6 in one game) and 22 interceptions. I think Rodgers would be so embarrassed with those stats that he'd probably retire if he ever had stats that bad. Mostly joking. Favre was a bit better than his stats, but Thompson made the right decision. Favre couldn't get it down late in the season in cold weather come playoff time anymore. It was time to give the reins to the young guy (who Thompson knew happened to be ultra-talented, even if nobody else did).

Yes Harvey. Thanks 'a bunch' for your analysis of my post and appropriate correction (s).

'YOU' always being exempt from any error. I wouldn't expect less from you. That including pointing out 'any negative'.

Thanks again Harvey.

Yet ... wasn't it nice for Brett Favre to land with a real team in the 2009 season? A team in the same conference and same division as his former team the Green Bay Packers.

Why not this Harvey?:

Would you care to post the Minnesota Vikings record with Brett Favre behind center in 2009? If so and while your at it. Post Favre's stat's with the Vikings in 2009. I'm sure you would agree such a post demonstrates just how much Brett Favre had in his tank after the Green Bay Packers tried to force him out of the NFL. Just how much 'the Legend' was extended and might have been extended; less the dirty tactics of the NO Saints in the 2009 Season NFC Championship game.

It's all that positive stuff I'll be re-calling when I cheer the loudest for Brett Favre when his number is retired and he enters the Green Bay Packers HOF.

While the likes of you will still be tasting 'sour grapes'. The wine will be so sweet for me.

[woodbuck27]

Thank you for answering my question. I was curious about what the ice fishing story was meant to tell us.




This is rhetorical, right? Because the list is very long and I am sure you would know even more Hockey players on it than I would.

The list is...................................very long.

[woodbuck27]

Right on GC. He, like many other pro athletes, has Peter Pan Syndrome. Never forced to grow up, and then for some reason we're surprised when they act like children.

He burned bridges on purpose on his way out of town and has done nothing publicly to build them up again. We really need to put this thing to bed once and for all.

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

[woodbuck27]

Mother of God.

Are we conducting yet another post-mortem on this?

Or is everyone just responding the ravings of one very passionate yet deluded and possibly crazy Canadian?

Fuggit, I'll bite because I want to be a team player and get this crappy thread to 500.

IMO, Favre is a narcissistic douche. He is an immature, self-serving, self-centered, dickpick-taking middle age man who failed miserably at transitioning into that middle age.

He was perhaps the best regular season player of all time. His best moments were truly breath-taking. He is a first round HOFer and deserves to have his number retired by the Packers.

IMO, there is no need to delve too deeply into the man-child's psyche when pondering his messy separation from the Packers. His feelings were hurt and he reacted the way a spoiled and over-indulged child reacts when their feeelings are hurt. He/she throws a tantrum. (Now if I were to go Freudian here, I would say his powerful reaction stemmed from deep-seated feelings of rejection and not being good enough to please ole' Irv. Or not.)

TT is a great GM. he and M3 handled the divorce pretty well although there were some real cockups. I still don't get the locker thing.

Hello George.

I'm simply interested and not by this post feeling any need of defending my sanity. I am sane and so much so that I defer from launching attacks on posters here that clearly deserve such. That except in exceptional cases when it's 'just wrong' to sit idly by when some cornpone idiot is planting his /her damaging to the forum agenda.

Is it generally the case and you? That whenever someone takes a position different than you might take. That that person is automatically .....crazy?

Also just something to think about. Don't mix up excessive passion for anyone's fervour to see it right.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

You have sussed out the Packers power play, but do you see Favre's power play?

[ThunderDan]

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

If I retired from my job and the company I worked for replaced me with someone else I would realize I did a pretty stupid thing and be happy that the company offered me 2/3 of my salary to do public appearances.

If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from.

[pbmax]

If I retired from my job and the company I worked for replaced me with someone else I would realize I did a pretty stupid thing and be happy that the company offered me 2/3 of my salary to do public appearances.

If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from.

You can't keep giving people the answers in advance of the test Dan!

[ThunderDan]

You can't keep giving people the answers in advance of the test Dan!

Sorry about jumping too far ahead.

Here's another point I was just thinking of, if BF was truly the "wronged" party in the GB Packer break-up, why let your family members wear ThanksTed Viking jerseys? He could have taken the high road but didn't.

[Zool]

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

In your scenario, am I a professional athlete? Have I "retired" 3 times already? Has that company given me $100,000,000?

[pbmax]

That's the part no one remembers now. Everyone who had not been paying close attention thought he and M3 were out of their mind. That it could not be explained as anything other than a moral and personal failure.

[woodbuck27]

If I retired from my job and the company I worked for replaced me with someone else I would realize I did a pretty stupid thing and be happy that the company offered me 2/3 of my salary to do public appearances.

If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from.

I'd like to break your post down, into two parts for simplicity sake.

Of course... we're referring to Brett Favre, and not you or I or anyone else and any capability, in terms related to stupidity, ThunderDan. We're focusing on an attempt at some consideration for Brett Favre's feelings. That specifically given his 2007 season:

What is this 'stupid thing' you make reference too ThunderDan? Something stupid and Brett Favre !?

I'm curious of your response. Given that Brett Favre has an ego and an extreme measure of determination demonstrated by his owning the record book for NFL QB stats. That and his amazing 'almost super human' record for longevity and endurance. Favre's standing record for consecutive NFL game starts not just for NFL QB's but among all regular position players.

Add all that to this:

'Of course'... your aware that Brett Favre played arguably his most outstanding season in 2007 and was runner-up NFL MVP !

So again Thunderdan....what was this 'stupid thing' that he did to lose his No. 1 QB job with the Green Bay Packers?

Now this:

" If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and[B] it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from. " ThunderDan

Favre didn't ask the Packers to can Aaron Rodgers ass. Please don't add any more of your muck to the facts...Thanks. In fact, given the obvious that Brett Favre wanted and felt he deserved his job back...Favre felt bad for Aaron Rodgers. Brett Favre's on record saying as much ThunderDan. Brett Favre isn't 'the really bad man' that you and some here want to paint him as.

Why don't you take the time to read more about this whole thing and at least be fair to yourself or look for 'the TRUTH'? This certainly isn't as you prefer a neat 'black or white' issue and Brett Favre and Packers divorce.

Favre simply asked for a fair chance to compete for the NO. 1 starting QB position, after he decided to return to the Green Bay Packers for the 2008 season. He knew that he would easily smother Aaron Rodgers in any such competition. Aaron Rodgers was prepared for a real fight with Brett Favre in TC but the 'reality bell' had to be ringing for him. Aaron Rodgers had to know that it was sure beginning again to look like another season, at least starting off with him holding a clip board, as so many other QB's had been re-buffed by Brett Favre to do.

I believe that MM also knew that Favre would win out if there was a real competition and that a competition would 'only' offer awkwardness. Such 'a competition' would be in the full sight of Packer fans. There were still many Brett Favre fans remaining in Packer Nation. The greatest issue was that that scenario would very likely lead Aaron Rodgers out of Green Bay.

It got down to the reality of the matter.The problem was that MM clearly informed Favre that he would be welcomed back in the fold and allowed to compete but would be designated the #2 QB in all Pre- Season games and so as we often see MM do. Talk out both sides of his mouth.

This is Brett Favre we're talking about and this competition ... 'no competition' ... wasn't going to wash. Favre was getting pretty well used up on the BS that was coming from MM and an almost always absent or invisible Ted Thompson.

Thus the request for an outright release and with a 'no' there .... a trade. Ted Thompson even screwed that one up in terms of 'any decency and respect' for Brett Favre.

PACKERS !

[pbmax]

what was this 'stupid thing'

He retired.

[ThunderDan]

To your response.

1. The stupid thing BF did was retire. No one forced him to retire. No one made him go on TV with Deanne next to him and retire. At that point the Packers needed to move on. Not doing so would have been stupid. If TT and MM had done nothing and hoped that BF returned for 2008 I would have called for them to be fired. TT &MM committed to ARod which any team in the NFL would have done.
2. If BF came back to the Pack and got the starting position he is basically canning Rodgers. Rodgers would be sitting on the bench again doing nothing waiting to get out of GB. Talk about not remebering the facts you said BF only wanted to have a real competion for the QB position. That is exactly the conversation BF and MM had after the Family Night game. MM inferred that BF was not willing to compete and that the job should be his be default.

I find it funny that when anyone disagrees with you and points out a FACT; you state they can't accept "THE TRUTH". The only person here who isn't being honest is you. If you look back about 250 pages ago I put down what BF should have done. I'll leave that up to you to find.

Just so you don't think I hate Favre the football player, I think his number should be retire by GB before he goes into the footballl HOF. BF gave the Packers a chance to win every week. It was his off the field issues I have a problem with.

[ThunderDan]

He retired.

Now you are answering for someone else!