OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Just Jeff]

I suspect for those who are still offended by the affair it goes well-beyond the business decisions involved. I suspect they remain offended by some of the following and other acts that occurred after the break-up:

- Favre working behind the scenes against the Packers (e.g. advising the Lions & others).
- Favre's other comments to players & others long after the separation (even years).
- Favre exhibiting a moral compass as a 40 year old more like that of an 18 year old.
- Favre continuing his abandonment of the fans even after his actual retirement.
- Favre's cold attitude toward Rodgers, a fan favorite who is not to blame for anything.
- Favre's continued tepid attitude toward all things Packers, even the fans who still support him.

For some there are plenty of reasons to dislike Favre the individual, who showed and continues to show himself to be much different than the image he portrayed as a Packer. These have nothing to do with the business decisions involved, and none are obviated by the success he had on the field as a Packer. Some are disappointed because they can never have the same pride in #4 that they once did, because (for them) he is too far from the man they thought he was.

If they want to remain offended, so be it. I see those people as no more wrong in their feelings than others who deify Favre in spite of it all.

And on the other side
-TT offers this "diety" a locker to retire
-The trade him to a team that was a wasteland, even thought they got a worse pick from the jets than they would have gotten from MINN
-TT takes wee in the bum

I could give a rats ass about the above or your above. ON THE FIELD................. End of story.

[Patler]

And on the other side
-TT offers this "diety" a locker to retire
-The trade him to a team that was a wasteland, even thought they got a worse pick from the jets than they would have gotten from MINN
-TT takes wee in the bum

I could give a rats ass about the above or your above. ON THE FIELD................. End of story.

I was distinguishing the acts that occurred surrounding the "divorce" from other acts I referenced. For TT you revert back to what he did at the time Favre was lying to the media, lying to the team, lying about the team and undermining everything other than his desire to get out of GB. But, none of that matters, because:.....

The difference between you and me is that not only do I not give a rats ass about how the saga ended, what he has done since, what type of person he has proven to be, at this stage I no longer give a rats ass about what he did on the field. He had a job, he did it pretty well, and he was paid commensurate with his performance.........................End of story.

Why must he receive more?

[Guiness]

Patler sums it up pretty well. I'd add his behavior and motivation in making his way to Minnesota. It was not a business decision, it was a desire for revenge against the Packers franchise, and I have a hard time with that. I'd say the Jets were the ones royally screwed on that, he really strong armed them.

And really JustJeff? You're going to call TT gay? Kind of hard to take your argument seriously when you do that.

[Pugger]

I was distinguishing the acts that occurred surrounding the "divorce" from other acts I referenced. For TT you revert back to what he did at the time Favre was lying to the media, lying to the team, lying about the team and undermining everything other than his desire to get out of GB. But, none of that matters, because:.....

The difference between you and me is that not only do I not give a rats ass about how the saga ended, what he has done since, what type of person he has proven to be, at this stage I no longer give a rats ass about what he did on the field. He had a job, he did it pretty well, and he was paid commensurate with his performance.........................End of story.

Why must he receive more?

[Pugger]

Patler sums it up pretty well. I'd add his behavior and motivation in making his way to Minnesota. It was not a business decision, it was a desire for revenge against the Packers franchise, and I have a hard time with that. I'd say the Jets were the ones royally screwed on that, he really strong armed them.

I for one am glad Ted traded #4 to the Jets. Without that pick we don't have Clay.

[Cheesehead Craig]

You don't think retiring Favre's number will retire this thread, do you?

Hell no. I just think it's time to get this done and "rip the Band-Aid" off. The waffling on this number retirement is similar to Favre's annual retirement. So I guess this is appropriate.

[pbmax]

They should retire Ted's number before Brett's. Ted made the better Decision.

Dan Gilbert wishes he was Ted Thompson.

[Just Jeff]

I was distinguishing the acts that occurred surrounding the "divorce" from other acts I referenced. For TT you revert back to what he did at the time Favre was lying to the media, lying to the team, lying about the team and undermining everything other than his desire to get out of GB. But, none of that matters, because:.....

The difference between you and me is that not only do I not give a rats ass about how the saga ended, what he has done since, what type of person he has proven to be, at this stage I no longer give a rats ass about what he did on the field. He had a job, he did it pretty well, and he was paid commensurate with his performance.........................End of story.

Why must he receive more?

Who's asking him to receive more? Not me. The post is in reference to Murphy trying to give him more and fumbling through the means to do so.

[Just Jeff]

And really JustJeff? You're going to call TT gay?

If you are more comfortable with alternative lifestyle, I can live with that euphemism

[Fritz]

Hell no. I just think it's time to get this done and "rip the Band-Aid" off. The waffling on this number retirement is similar to Favre's annual retirement. So I guess this is appropriate.

Good call!

It appears Favre is not "ready" so there'll be no retiring of his number this year. And that's fine - I ain't ready, either.

But wouldn't it be cool if Favre had a press conference next year, saying he was ready to have his number retired...then changed his mind at the beginning of training camp, then hinted he maybe wanted to have his number retired after all, then about the second game of the season..

[Pugger]

Who's asking him to receive more? Not me. The post is in reference to Murphy trying to give him more and fumbling through the means to do so.

How did Murphy fumble through this?

[pbmax]

How did Murphy fumble through this?

He let it be known publicly that they were at the date booking stage. Which could easily have been under discussion. But he had not secured a commitment to doing it this year from Favre (I am assuming that if Favre had flat backed out after committing, we would have heard different leaks - but that is just a guess).

So when the backpedal occurred, he is forced to either reveal that the talk of scheduling was premature or he has to cover for both sides which is what he chose to do with his statement. He blamed the fans for his poor negotiating skill.

By my count, that is twice Favre has made him look extraordinarily foolish in public. I think the Packers want this too badly to back out over fan concerns, though to smooth them over, they might need #4's cooperation.

Its time to say this: "Brett Favre is the toughest QB the League has ever seen. He is also among the most accomplished with a Super Bowl win and three MVP awards. We are extremely proud of his accomplishments with the Green Bay Packers and stand ready, at any time, to retire his jersey. We would love to adhere to tradition and do it before his certain HOF induction, but the time must be right for Brett and his family. He will know when he is ready. The number is in the book.

P.S. We just signed Ted to a four year extension."

Its possible Murphy's accommodation will work and Brett will come around. But that is not where my money would line up.

[Joemailman]

I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL has been putting some pressure on Murphy to get this done before Favre's HOF induction. They may not want a perceived Favre/Paclers rift to be what everybody is talking about at the induction. If so, Murphy may have felt pressured to explain why it may not happen by then.

[Patler]

He let it be known publicly that they were at the date booking stage.

Did he, or was it just more conjecture by sports columnists? To be honest, I flat out don't remember.

[Patler]

Who's asking him to receive more? Not me. The post is in reference to Murphy trying to give him more and fumbling through the means to do so.

Huh? My comments stemmed from your reference to certain fans being "petty and ignorant" if they did not respond well to the event.