Wynn Cut, Harrell on Pup List

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If GB traded for Lito Sheppard right now that would probably be the only way they can afford to not have Harrell this year.

Careful.... I got attacked pretty hard for supporting an effort to trade for him

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=14236

RG playing the victim role again. Surprising. Yet, he still manages to take a potshot. I won't claim that anybody attacked me though.

The victim role? Whatever.... I did get attacked, even though I didn't like James Jones as part of the trade. facts is facts. Victimhood is optional..

In your world there was ZERO substance to what I said. If pointing that out makes me a "victim" then well, I guess that's the way it is.

I read the thread and you were hardly attacked.

I rarely agree with Harv, but your victimhood stance is hilarious.

I guess this fits in with your whole persecuted conserv thing.

[Chevelle2]

Lito Sheppard is injury prone.

[retailguy]

I read the thread and you were hardly attacked.

I rarely agree with Harv, but your victimhood stance is hilarious.

I guess this fits in with your whole persecuted conserv thing.

I find is shocking that you disagreed with me. You can be thoroughly counted on for the sane, rational, impartial opinion, especially when it comes to me.

[retailguy]

Lito Sheppard is injury prone.

so is Justin Harrell and we gave up a mid first round pick for him

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I read the thread and you were hardly attacked.

I rarely agree with Harv, but your victimhood stance is hilarious.

I guess this fits in with your whole persecuted conserv thing.

I find is shocking that you disagreed with me. You can be thoroughly counted on for the sane, rational, impartial opinion, especially when it comes to me.

Really, since i agree with harv. Nice try, but you can't even counter the substantive part..you were hardly attacked.

Should i relegate all your posts with the same bs...that you can't be sane, rational, impartial, etc. Nice.

Last refuge of the incompetent.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It would be nice to have 5 Pro Bowl corners, but it's not realistic. With Harris and Woodson here, good luck getting Sheppard (or Woodson/Harris) to gladly accept a nickel role. Most teams are like the Packers. They have two good, veteran corners with three solid developmental types behind them. I should say that most teams would like to have the corners that the Packers have. Some don't even have two good ones. Realistically, you have to hope that Tramon Williams takes the next step and becomes a solid nickel corner and you hope that the likes of Lee, Blackmon, and/or Bush play decent if they have to play a lot. No team has 4th and 5th corners that can cover good, starting caliber receivers.

[retailguy]

It would be nice to have 5 Pro Bowl corners, but it's not realistic. With Harris and Woodson here, good luck getting Sheppard (or Woodson/Harris) to gladly accept a nickel role. Most teams are like the Packers. They have two good, veteran corners with three solid developmental types behind them. I should say that most teams would like to have the corners that the Packers have. Some don't even have two good ones. Realistically, you have to hope that Tramon Williams takes the next step and becomes a solid nickel corner and you hope that the likes of Lee, Blackmon, and/or Bush play decent if they have to play a lot. No team has 4th and 5th corners that can cover good, starting caliber receivers.

You hold our 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th corners in higher regard than I do. Williams has potential, lee is a very raw rookie....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It would be nice to have 5 Pro Bowl corners, but it's not realistic. With Harris and Woodson here, good luck getting Sheppard (or Woodson/Harris) to gladly accept a nickel role. Most teams are like the Packers. They have two good, veteran corners with three solid developmental types behind them. I should say that most teams would like to have the corners that the Packers have. Some don't even have two good ones. Realistically, you have to hope that Tramon Williams takes the next step and becomes a solid nickel corner and you hope that the likes of Lee, Blackmon, and/or Bush play decent if they have to play a lot. No team has 4th and 5th corners that can cover good, starting caliber receivers.

THis is the kind of defeatist attitude that forces the pack into mediocrity.

The pack must have all-pros at every position and near all pro at their backups. Every backup must be good enough to start on every team.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You hold our 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th corners in higher regard than I do. Williams has potential, lee is a very raw rookie....

Vikings vaunted defense has Benny Sapp, Marcus McCauley, and Charles Gordon backing up Winfield and Griffin.

Bears vaunted defense has Trumain McBride and Corey Graham backing up Tillman and Vasher.

Chargers vaunted defense has Cletis Gordon and Antoine Cason backing up Cromartie and Jammer.

An exception is Dallas with Newman, Henry, and Pac Man, but that's only because they were willing to sell their soul to the devil, so to speak. Not many teams have three corners like Carolina.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It would be nice to have 5 Pro Bowl corners, but it's not realistic. With Harris and Woodson here, good luck getting Sheppard (or Woodson/Harris) to gladly accept a nickel role. Most teams are like the Packers. They have two good, veteran corners with three solid developmental types behind them. I should say that most teams would like to have the corners that the Packers have. Some don't even have two good ones. Realistically, you have to hope that Tramon Williams takes the next step and becomes a solid nickel corner and you hope that the likes of Lee, Blackmon, and/or Bush play decent if they have to play a lot. No team has 4th and 5th corners that can cover good, starting caliber receivers.

You hold our 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th corners in higher regard than I do. Williams has potential, lee is a very raw rookie....

You just don't seem to understand the NFL. There is a reason CBs go high in the draft...they are hard to find.

the pats are going with Lewis Sanders and Terrence Wheatley...i'm sure they are much better than ours.

Most teams don't have great depth at CB. Or do you not understand why we went 4 or 5 wide?

[The Gunshooter]

Lito Sheppard is injury prone.

He kicks the Cowboys ass though.

[retailguy]

You hold our 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th corners in higher regard than I do. Williams has potential, lee is a very raw rookie....

Vikings vaunted defense has Benny Sapp, Marcus McCauley, and Charles Gordon backing up Winfield and Griffin.

Bears vaunted defense has Trumain McBride and Corey Graham backing up Tillman and Vasher.

Chargers vaunted defense has Cletis Gordon and Antoine Cason backing up Cromartie and Jammer.

An exception is Dallas with Newman, Henry, and Pac Man, but that's only because they were willing to sell their soul to the devil, so to speak. Not many teams have three corners like Carolina.

Seems to me that the Eagles have three pretty good corners too.

And I fail to see what is wrong with Cason. I think he's OK. Just as OK as Williams...

[retailguy]

You just don't seem to understand the NFL.

Yep, that's it.

Now, please tell me again, that I'm imagining the 'elitist' mentality.

There is a reason CBs go high in the draft...they are hard to find.

Which makes it all the more important when you can get a quality 3rd guy (who is available), who could become a starter soon, since our guys are both on the older side.

What's wrong with pursuing it? We pursued Al Harris when we had Tyrone Williams and Mike McKenzie... that seemed to work out ok...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nothing wrong with Cason, but what makes him better than Tramon Williams or Patrick Lee at this point. He's just as unproven.

Philly actually has four solid corners. Carolina has three.

Not many teams have three corners like Carolina.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You hold our 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th corners in higher regard than I do. Williams has potential, lee is a very raw rookie....

Vikings vaunted defense has Benny Sapp, Marcus McCauley, and Charles Gordon backing up Winfield and Griffin.

Bears vaunted defense has Trumain McBride and Corey Graham backing up Tillman and Vasher.

Chargers vaunted defense has Cletis Gordon and Antoine Cason backing up Cromartie and Jammer.

An exception is Dallas with Newman, Henry, and Pac Man, but that's only because they were willing to sell their soul to the devil, so to speak. Not many teams have three corners like Carolina.

Seems to me that the Eagles have three pretty good corners too.

And I fail to see what is wrong with Cason. I think he's OK. Just as OK as Williams...

What part of "not many" didn't you understand?

The Eagles do have 3 good corners..they are the exception that proves the rule. Very few teams have that caliber.

I guess you would also like their LBs: Omar Gaither, Stewart Bradley and Chris Gocong.

Cason: Dude, are you purposefully trying to be a hypocrite. If you label Lee as raw how do not give that same grade to Cason. He is a rookie..or are you now judging him based off your extensive UA scouting? As good as williams..how so. At least williams has a year of experience.