Wynn Cut, Harrell on Pup List

[Merlin]

I was a little surprised by Wynn being let go this soon although we are fairly deep at running back so we knew someone had to go and probably one or two more before it's all said and done. Francis again plays at a position we are deep at and there are clearly more talented guys in front of him. Justin Harrell, no surprise that he now can't play until week 7 if at all. If this were Cledius Hunt everyone would be calling for him to be cut, but for whatever reason everyone still has high hopes that Harrell can contribute. Personally I think the guy is a bust primarily becaue he hasn't been healthy since his Junior year at college (and I don't think he played every game that year, I could be wrong). At the very least he for all intents and purposes didn't play his senior year, barely played last year, and probably won't play this year. That's 3 seasons of football and you don't get better when you don't play. We need to get him healthy, on the roster, then cut him before we get stuck with the injury payments...

Comparing Cleditus Hunt to Justin Harrel is plain idotic. This is only Harrel's second year. Thats why people are stilling cutting him a little slack. Hunt, you seem tyo forget, had been in the league several seasons and was given a fat contract. He then proceded to stink up the joint. People wanted Hunt gone becuase he wasn't coming close to the prduction expected from the contract given him. Harrel is still basically a rookie.If yu can't see that is why some people still have hope for Harrell, then you truely are blind.

Why am I not surprised by your blind hatred of fellow man. The facts are against you so you attack me. Not many people supported Cledius Hunt and most everyone can agree the guy was a waste. By comparing a player who has as of yet been healthy enough to even play the game the past 3 years who was an overall number one pick vs a guy who had one good season, got paid a lot, then sucked, isn't a stretch. In FACT, it is just about the same thing, with one difference: At least we got 1 year of production out of Hunt and a few million dollar a piece tackles in comparison to a handful of games where Harrell made no impact. Outside of that, I guess they are pretty much in the same boat. Harrell has not been healthy almost his entire college/NFL career. He has what is obviously a serious back injury that I doubt he will be able to come back from. His triceps injury was a serious enough one that not many people come back from and now he has another injury. You can hope for him in 2009, if in fact he doesn't break a nail.

As far as your hate speech, I suggest you take a long look in that mirror inside of your glass house before you go throwing any more stones....

You jsut made my point for me. People knew Hunt was a waste becuase they had several seasons to make that distinction. Harrell is only had one. That is why people are still cutting Harrell some slack and still willing to give him a chance. You on the other hand, proclaim players busts on draft day and refuse to give them any chance(Rodgers, Crosby to name two) On that basis alone it is ludicrous to compare to Hunt just yet. On a side note, I don't hate you, just think you are an ignorant tool.

First of all, Harrell was a stretch and had all the signs of going no where, no expert in their right mind had this guy in the first round so if I am a tool then I guess a majority of experts out there are as well. Second, Rodgers fell to the Packers for a reason, he wasn't very good. He is coming along as I would expect from someone who hasn't done anything in three years. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the pick or the reasoning behind handing him a job with no experience since the day he walked into Green Bay. I think that was a huge mistake not only for the Packers but for Rodgers. Competition helps you get better. Simply telling you that you are the guy doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good and it definitely shows right now. Rodgers would be a better QB if he had to actually compete for a position on the roster let alone handed the #2 job outright. Crosby? I don't recall hacking on Crosby, I recall not being happy when all things being equal we didn't keep the player with the experience. It was a tie in camp if you remember. I also stated several times that it wasn't a decision I would be able to make. You really need to get your facts straight, your blind hatred does nothing but distort the reality of what was said.

It's really sad that your eternal optimism over a player that has only competed in football for only one season (and not even every game), in the past 4 years is deserving of praise, kudos, and atta-boys. He has been injured every year for the past 4 now going on 5. And you really think this guy has a chance? He hasn't even played the game let alone had the work ethic to get strong enough to stave off injuries.


Never let reality interfere with your logic.

[cpk1994]

I was a little surprised by Wynn being let go this soon although we are fairly deep at running back so we knew someone had to go and probably one or two more before it's all said and done. Francis again plays at a position we are deep at and there are clearly more talented guys in front of him. Justin Harrell, no surprise that he now can't play until week 7 if at all. If this were Cledius Hunt everyone would be calling for him to be cut, but for whatever reason everyone still has high hopes that Harrell can contribute. Personally I think the guy is a bust primarily becaue he hasn't been healthy since his Junior year at college (and I don't think he played every game that year, I could be wrong). At the very least he for all intents and purposes didn't play his senior year, barely played last year, and probably won't play this year. That's 3 seasons of football and you don't get better when you don't play. We need to get him healthy, on the roster, then cut him before we get stuck with the injury payments...

Comparing Cleditus Hunt to Justin Harrel is plain idotic. This is only Harrel's second year. Thats why people are stilling cutting him a little slack. Hunt, you seem tyo forget, had been in the league several seasons and was given a fat contract. He then proceded to stink up the joint. People wanted Hunt gone becuase he wasn't coming close to the prduction expected from the contract given him. Harrel is still basically a rookie.If yu can't see that is why some people still have hope for Harrell, then you truely are blind.

Why am I not surprised by your blind hatred of fellow man. The facts are against you so you attack me. Not many people supported Cledius Hunt and most everyone can agree the guy was a waste. By comparing a player who has as of yet been healthy enough to even play the game the past 3 years who was an overall number one pick vs a guy who had one good season, got paid a lot, then sucked, isn't a stretch. In FACT, it is just about the same thing, with one difference: At least we got 1 year of production out of Hunt and a few million dollar a piece tackles in comparison to a handful of games where Harrell made no impact. Outside of that, I guess they are pretty much in the same boat. Harrell has not been healthy almost his entire college/NFL career. He has what is obviously a serious back injury that I doubt he will be able to come back from. His triceps injury was a serious enough one that not many people come back from and now he has another injury. You can hope for him in 2009, if in fact he doesn't break a nail.

As far as your hate speech, I suggest you take a long look in that mirror inside of your glass house before you go throwing any more stones....

You jsut made my point for me. People knew Hunt was a waste becuase they had several seasons to make that distinction. Harrell is only had one. That is why people are still cutting Harrell some slack and still willing to give him a chance. You on the other hand, proclaim players busts on draft day and refuse to give them any chance(Rodgers, Crosby to name two) On that basis alone it is ludicrous to compare to Hunt just yet. On a side note, I don't hate you, just think you are an ignorant tool.

First of all, Harrell was a stretch and had all the signs of going no where, no expert in their right mind had this guy in the first round so if I am a tool then I guess a majority of experts out there are as well. Second, Rodgers fell to the Packers for a reason, he wasn't very good. He is coming along as I would expect from someone who hasn't done anything in three years. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the pick or the reasoning behind handing him a job with no experience since the day he walked into Green Bay. I think that was a huge mistake not only for the Packers but for Rodgers. Competition helps you get better. Simply telling you that you are the guy doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good and it definitely shows right now. Rodgers would be a better QB if he had to actually compete for a position on the roster let alone handed the #2 job outright. Crosby? I don't recall hacking on Crosby, I recall not being happy when all things being equal we didn't keep the player with the experience. It was a tie in camp if you remember. I also stated several times that it wasn't a decision I would be able to make. You really need to get your facts straight, your blind hatred does nothing but distort the reality of what was said.

It's really sad that your eternal optimism over a player that has only competed in football for only one season (and not even every game), in the past 4 years is deserving of praise, kudos, and atta-boys. He has been injured every year for the past 4 now going on 5. And you really think this guy has a chance? He hasn't even played the game let alone had the work ethic to get strong enough to stave off injuries.


Never let reality interfere with your logic.

You need to get your facts straight:

1. Harrell was initally projected to go higher than where he did but his injury knocked him to the end of the first round on some boards.

2. Now your making uyp things as I haven't gven any "atta boys" or anything like that to Harrell nor am I eternally optimistic. I am just willing to give him more than one season to do something, something you cant becuase you hate the player and it helps further your Anti-TT agenda.

3. You bagged on Crosby his first sub-par game claiming the Packers should have kept Rayner over him. OF course I hope you enjoyed the taste of your foot thanks to Mason.

4. As for Rodgers, we know you want him to fail 1.becuase you hated the pick. and 2. Becuase your boy Craig Nall isn't Aaron. This shows in your refusal to give credit to him without using backhanded compliments. As for your competition argument, Rodgers had competition, but your boy Nall flat out SUCKED.

Never let your Anti-TT bias cloud reality.

[run pMc]

Stepping aside from the arguing with my own rambling thoughts...

Hindsights 20/20. Good deal at the time. Shame Harrell, Pickett, and Jolly all got hurt or in trouble.

I totally agree with this. Considering what TO and Moss got traded for...getting a R2 for Williams was a pretty good deal. If TT knew Favre was going to waffle so much about his retirement and then want to come back, I'm guessing he doesn't draft Brohm. Time will tell if Brohm pans out.
Please note that I am NOT saying this is Favre's fault.

Even if you don't trade Williams, he isn't going to want to play for the tender. His leverage is to holdout. So Justin Harrell or no, Williams might not even have been on the field until next week. At which time I am sure his hamstrings would have been just fine.

Also agree with this...most guys HATE having to sign a tender. Talented guy, but IMO not as good as Kampmann or worth that kind of money.

I expected TT to add another body at the DT spot with the Williams trade, and was surprised he didn't. I can only guess he expected the current young guys (Hunter, Muir, Montgomery, etc.) to step up and be able to fill in, along with Jenkins and Harrell. Look, there are plenty of DLine guys on the roster...it's up to them to perform, and up to the coaches to put them in places where they can perform.

I recall reading one story about how, had Harrell been healthy, he would have been a borderline top 10 pick. I don't have a problem with TT rolling the dice for a guy like that. I wouldn't be surprised if TT takes a look at a late cut for a DT. Right now I agree they look thin due to injuries, Jolly's legal situation, and the way the DT's have performed thus far.

[ThunderDan]

First of all, Harrell was a stretch and had all the signs of going no where, no expert in their right mind had this guy in the first round so if I am a tool then I guess a majority of experts out there are as well. Second, Rodgers fell to the Packers for a reason, he wasn't very good. He is coming along as I would expect from someone who hasn't done anything in three years. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the pick or the reasoning behind handing him a job with no experience since the day he walked into Green Bay. I think that was a huge mistake not only for the Packers but for Rodgers. Competition helps you get better. Simply telling you that you are the guy doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good and it definitely shows right now. Rodgers would be a better QB if he had to actually compete for a position on the roster let alone handed the #2 job outright. Crosby? I don't recall hacking on Crosby, I recall not being happy when all things being equal we didn't keep the player with the experience. It was a tie in camp if you remember. I also stated several times that it wasn't a decision I would be able to make. You really need to get your facts straight, your blind hatred does nothing but distort the reality of what was said.

Merlin-

Who are these "experts" that you are using as support for your postion? And please don't say any ESPN or other sporting news site guys. The reason they work in media is because they aren't talented enough to work for an NFL team.

Those guys would get a "woody" and jump ship to an NFL team in a minute if they were asked.