All Is Not Lost

[Pacopete4]

I meant offensively haha but ya.. good games by both

[HarveyWallbangers]

we still have the Bucs, Titans, Saints, Panthers, Jags, Colts, Vikings, and Bears twice... all that have looked tough this year already

if you think we got it easy, you're drinking too much of the koolaid

I say we win the division. The teams in our division play pretty much the same schedule, so it's not like we play a much more difficult schedule.

[Lurker64]

What difference does it make if one throws 2 picks and gets you in a hole or one cannot punch in a touchdown to get you in a hole? To me, all that matters it the end result. Without a doubt we needed a playmaker at that position tonight. A-Rod showed that he isn't there yet.

To be honest, expecting him to "be there" after sitting on the bench for three years and making two starts is unreasonable and woefully optimistic. All I'm looking for is Rodgers to stay healthy, win enough games to make the playoffs, and get better over time. If we're 3-1 after four weeks, we're on track.

[Pacopete4]

we still have the Bucs, Titans, Saints, Panthers, Jags, Colts, Vikings, and Bears twice... all that have looked tough this year already

if you think we got it easy, you're drinking too much of the koolaid

I say we win the division. The teams in our division play pretty much the same schedule, so it's not like we play a much more difficult schedule.

Agree, even though the Vikings skip out on Dallas I believe and play the Giants

[Partial]

What difference does it make if one throws 2 picks and gets you in a hole or one cannot punch in a touchdown to get you in a hole? To me, all that matters it the end result. Without a doubt we needed a playmaker at that position tonight. A-Rod showed that he isn't there yet.

To be honest, expecting him to "be there" after sitting on the bench for three years and making two starts is unreasonable and woefully optimistic. All I'm looking for is Rodgers to stay healthy, win enough games to make the playoffs, and get better over time. If we're 3-1 after four weeks, we're on track.

And there in lies the difference why so many of us were upset at this summer's activities.

Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

[Pacopete4]

What difference does it make if one throws 2 picks and gets you in a hole or one cannot punch in a touchdown to get you in a hole? To me, all that matters it the end result. Without a doubt we needed a playmaker at that position tonight. A-Rod showed that he isn't there yet.

To be honest, expecting him to "be there" after sitting on the bench for three years and making two starts is unreasonable and woefully optimistic. All I'm looking for is Rodgers to stay healthy, win enough games to make the playoffs, and get better over time. If we're 3-1 after four weeks, we're on track.

And there in lies the difference why so many of us were upset at this summer's activities.

Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And there in lies the difference why so many of us were upset at this summer's activities.

Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

Rodgers was good the first two weeks. Not a playmaker? Did you not see the two bombs to Jennings, the bomb to Driver that was called back, the scramble and TD throw to Jones? We lost to the team that very well be the best team in football. We also don't match up well with that team.

Honestly, I'm not sure we are even 2-1 with Favre at QB. One interception against either Minnesota or Detroit might have lost us the game, and he likely would have thrown one. Favre has only gone three games in a row without an interception 4 times since 1995. He's never gone four games in a row without an interception. I'll take 7 TDs to 1 turnover in his first 3 games--two of the three games against really good defenses.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's ridiculous to whine about Rodgers not being a playmaker just because he doesn't stupidly force it into coverage and throw interceptions.

Favre would have been run ragged and not even been in position to make the decisions that Rodgers did. Rodgers has made big plays against other teams and will continue to do so--against anything short of the tough smart defense we saw tonight.

We've GOT our playmaker QB; We've also got playmaker receivers and RB. They just didn't make the plays tonight due to smart tough defense.

[PackerTimer]

What difference does it make if one throws 2 picks and gets you in a hole or one cannot punch in a touchdown to get you in a hole? To me, all that matters it the end result. Without a doubt we needed a playmaker at that position tonight. A-Rod showed that he isn't there yet.

To be honest, expecting him to "be there" after sitting on the bench for three years and making two starts is unreasonable and woefully optimistic. All I'm looking for is Rodgers to stay healthy, win enough games to make the playoffs, and get better over time. If we're 3-1 after four weeks, we're on track.

And there in lies the difference why so many of us were upset at this summer's activities.

Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

Maybe I'm crazy here, but he made quite a few plays against the Vikings and Lions. I wouldn't say we're not making any plays from that position. It was one game and while it wasn't a good game it wasn't terrible either. It was average, he'll probably have a few more of those this year and so will Brett Favre. Favre may have one the game tonight, but I don't think so, the rest of the team played too poorly. This loss isn't on one player, the Cowboys were just the better team and they'd be the better team if we had Favre.

[Pacopete4]

It's ridiculous to whine about Rodgers not being a playmaker just because he doesn't stupidly force it into coverage and throw interceptions.

Favre would have been run ragged and not even been in position to make the decisions that Rodgers did. Rodgers has made big plays against other teams and will continue to do so--against anything short of the tough smart defense we saw tonight.

We've GOT our playmaker QB; We've also got playmaker receivers and RB. They just didn't make the plays tonight due to smart tough defense.

why does he get different treatment than other QB's? He didn't perform tonight and he'll tell ya that himself... he WAS NOT a playmaker. We needed him to be tonight to win this game and he fell short.. plain and simple. Does that mean he will every game this season? Nope, well I sure hope not. But he really didn't show any fight to win this game..

Hell he ran 8 mins off the clock just to get one TD late in the game... why not take a chance to win the game? Probably cuz he was a timid and afraid to make a mistake.. u cannot be that was a QB in the NFL

[PackerTimer]

It's ridiculous to whine about Rodgers not being a playmaker just because he doesn't stupidly force it into coverage and throw interceptions.

Favre would have been run ragged and not even been in position to make the decisions that Rodgers did. Rodgers has made big plays against other teams and will continue to do so--against anything short of the tough smart defense we saw tonight.

We've GOT our playmaker QB; We've also got playmaker receivers and RB. They just didn't make the plays tonight due to smart tough defense.

why does he get different treatment than other QB's? He didn't perform tonight and he'll tell ya that himself... he WAS NOT a playmaker. We needed him to be tonight to win this game and he fell short.. plain and simple. Does that mean he will every game this season? Nope, well I sure hope not. But he really didn't show any fight to win this game..

Hell he ran 8 mins off the clock just to get one TD late in the game... why not take a chance to win the game? Probably cuz he was a timid and afraid to make a mistake.. u cannot be that was a QB in the NFL

No he didn't. That drive took 3:23 seconds.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Just a reminder: Favre went 5 for 14 for 56 yards with 0 TDs and 2 interceptions against Dallas last year. Both interceptions led to short TD drives for the Cowboys--which put Green Bay in a 27-10 hole by the time Rodgers came in. The one TD the Packers got was on a long, long TD run by Grant. That's not a rip on Favre, but pointing out that even Favre had bad games--especially against defenses like Dallas.

This will never be completely proven, but I don't think we would have gotten the same play out of Brett as last year. I don't think you half-ass it in the NFL, don't work hard all offseason, and just pick up right where you left off. Especially when you are 39 years old. I guess we'll see how Brett does with the Jets. I don't want to hear about the players around him--because he has two good WRs, a couple of talented pass catching TEs, Thomas Jones, and what should be a good OL.

[mission]

It's ridiculous to whine about Rodgers not being a playmaker just because he doesn't stupidly force it into coverage and throw interceptions.

Favre would have been run ragged and not even been in position to make the decisions that Rodgers did. Rodgers has made big plays against other teams and will continue to do so--against anything short of the tough smart defense we saw tonight.

We've GOT our playmaker QB; We've also got playmaker receivers and RB. They just didn't make the plays tonight due to smart tough defense.

why does he get different treatment than other QB's? He didn't perform tonight and he'll tell ya that himself... he WAS NOT a playmaker. We needed him to be tonight to win this game and he fell short.. plain and simple. Does that mean he will every game this season? Nope, well I sure hope not. But he really didn't show any fight to win this game..

Hell he ran 8 mins off the clock just to get one TD late in the game... why not take a chance to win the game? Probably cuz he was a timid and afraid to make a mistake.. u cannot be that was a QB in the NFL

3rd and 5... 50 yards+ to driver... what was that? he really didnt have time to get anything downfield. that's not some nifty thing that announcers talk about, it's really important. throwing something up just to throw it up is a lot different than say, romo, going deep on williams with late safety help... a lot different. if you can step into the ball and make a decent pass and see what's going on downfield then great.

but half the time he was getting chased out of the pocket. im actually REALLY surprised he didnt turn the ball over tonight. a few times.

[Pacopete4]

It's ridiculous to whine about Rodgers not being a playmaker just because he doesn't stupidly force it into coverage and throw interceptions.

Favre would have been run ragged and not even been in position to make the decisions that Rodgers did. Rodgers has made big plays against other teams and will continue to do so--against anything short of the tough smart defense we saw tonight.

We've GOT our playmaker QB; We've also got playmaker receivers and RB. They just didn't make the plays tonight due to smart tough defense.

why does he get different treatment than other QB's? He didn't perform tonight and he'll tell ya that himself... he WAS NOT a playmaker. We needed him to be tonight to win this game and he fell short.. plain and simple. Does that mean he will every game this season? Nope, well I sure hope not. But he really didn't show any fight to win this game..

Hell he ran 8 mins off the clock just to get one TD late in the game... why not take a chance to win the game? Probably cuz he was a timid and afraid to make a mistake.. u cannot be that was a QB in the NFL

No he didn't. That drive took 3:23 seconds.

sorry I was being dramatic.. he took 3:23, down 18 with only 5:34 left in the game.... much better!

[Lurker64]

Just because a player does not make plays in one game does not mean that that player is not a playmaker. Last year, Favre was a playmaker. Favre did not make plays against Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, or at Chicago. That doesn't mean Favre was not a playmaker.

Also, to be honest, I recall Rodgers making a few plays (the jump pass anybody?), we lost this game more because not enough guys in green made plays, not because a specific guy in green didn't make enough of them.