All Is Not Lost

[TravisWilliams23]

Just because a player does not make plays in one game does not mean that that player is not a playmaker. Last year, Favre was a playmaker. Favre did not make plays against Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, or at Chicago. That doesn't man Favre was not a playmaker.

Also, to be honest, I recall Rodgers making a few plays (the jump pass anybody?), we lost this game more because not enough guys in green made plays, not because a specific guy in green didn't make enough of them.

[PackerTimer]

Ok you were being dramatic. You're still wrong. It's damn near impossible to take a shot in that situation. You don't get shots down field when you're losing by 18 becuase the defense is taking it away.

[Pacopete4]

Ok you were being dramatic. You're still wrong. It's damn near impossible to take a shot in that situation. You don't get shots down field when you're losing by 18 becuase the defense is taking it away.

The only way to get back in that game is to take a shot with someone and hope u hit it... if not, INT... game over and u lose but at least u did all u can to win.. dinkin and dunkin wastin the clock away doesn't even give u a chance
thats one thing I will miss with Favre is that he didn't care about his stats, he wanted to win.... i hope this isn't the case about Arod

[PackerTimer]

Just because a player does not make plays in one game does not mean that that player is not a playmaker. Last year, Favre was a playmaker. Favre did not make plays against Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, or at Chicago. That doesn't man Favre was not a playmaker.

Also, to be honest, I recall Rodgers making a few plays (the jump pass anybody?), we lost this game more because not enough guys in green made plays, not because a specific guy in green didn't make enough of them.

Also the deep ball to Driver and the perfect slant to Jones that was dropped. That would have given them a first and goal early.

[mission]

The only reason we lost tonight is cuz A-Rod cares so much about his stats...

[Harlan Huckleby]

history shows Favre would have forced the ball and gotten at least two interceptions in a game like tonight.

[PackerTimer]

Ok you were being dramatic. You're still wrong. It's damn near impossible to take a shot in that situation. You don't get shots down field when you're losing by 18 becuase the defense is taking it away.

The only way to get back in that game is to take a shot with someone and hope u hit it... if not, INT... game over and u lose but at least u did all u can to win.. dinkin and dunkin wastin the clock away doesn't even give u a chance
thats one thing I will miss with Favre is that he didn't care about his stats, he wanted to win.... i hope this isn't the case about Arod

You won't get a deep pass in that situation. The receivers don't even run deep routes. Everything is short. Favre woudl have played it the same way. He might have taken a shot but he wouldn't have completed it. That's essentially exactly how Favre and any other QB woudl have been forced to play it.

[Pacopete4]

The only reason we lost tonight is cuz A-Rod cares so much about his stats...

you know thats not what I was sayin... I'm talkin end of the ball game, down 18 with under 6 to play and we're still throwing 6-8 yard passes? Thats stupid IMO.... take a chance, get lucky or not, but at least ur tryin to win the game

[Pacopete4]

Ok you were being dramatic. You're still wrong. It's damn near impossible to take a shot in that situation. You don't get shots down field when you're losing by 18 becuase the defense is taking it away.

The only way to get back in that game is to take a shot with someone and hope u hit it... if not, INT... game over and u lose but at least u did all u can to win.. dinkin and dunkin wastin the clock away doesn't even give u a chance
thats one thing I will miss with Favre is that he didn't care about his stats, he wanted to win.... i hope this isn't the case about Arod

You won't get a deep pass in that situation. The receivers don't even run deep routes. Everything is short. Favre woudl have played it the same way. He might have taken a shot but he wouldn't have completed it. That's essentially exactly how Favre and any other QB woudl have been forced to play it.

BS! you can always spread it out and have 4 go routes and hope u hit something... do not tell me u dont have the routes to get it done.. we just didnt try

[texaspackerbacker]

In fairness to Jones, the pass was low and away--because that's where it had to be to get past the coverage. It would have been a great catch if he made it--not a bad miss.

I hope he's not hurt again, as I didn't see him after that, and I doubt they'd take him out for that miss.

[mission]

The only reason we lost tonight is cuz A-Rod cares so much about his stats...

you know thats not what I was sayin... I'm talkin end of the ball game, down 18 with under 6 to play and we're still throwing 6-8 yard passes? Thats stupid IMO.... take a chance, get lucky or not, but at least ur tryin to win the game

im fuckin around.. that wasnt on a-rod... they were playing that cover-4 prevent/umbrella whatever you wanna call it... 4 deep covering 1/4 field, 2 under covering hook to curl, one LB either stunting or takin hook to curl zone under... it's a pretty standard prevent and impossible to get anyone deep without 2-3 men at the ball.. hence why a hail marry pass always has so many people around it.

throwing a ball like that, on that drive, is essentially what that would be .. a hail marry.

we STILL would have had to recover an onside kick,.. the drive took 3:43.. lets say it takes 2:00 .. still need to onside ... we were close on getting that

the whole point is that, really, they are just a better football team than us... especially with half of our starting secondary out and them having newman back.. essentially giving them 3 starting caliber CBs if you wanna call jenkins one

[Harlan Huckleby]

In fairness to Jones, the pass was low and away--because that's where it had to be to get past the coverage. It would have been a great catch if he made it--not a bad miss.

I hope he's not hurt again, as I didn't see him after that, and I doubt they'd take him out for that miss.

I see it differently, he got both hands on the ball, it didn't require a great catch.

Jones has shown time and again that he is not a good reciever, poor hands and body control. Its not just the two drops tonight.

looks like tarzan, plays like jane.

[HarveyWallbangers]

this one game will not tell us the whole story on this guy nor will it tell us if we made the right move or not.

people on here are taking the one game overboard... its gonna take about 2-3 seasons to even figure out if the right choice was made

it was one game Mission.. take it easy and let the season play out before you make your judgment

[HarveyWallbangers]

I see it differently, he got both hands on the ball, it didn't require a great catch.

I'm down on a Jones. He was said to have fumblitis and the dropsies in camp, and he's had his hands on at least 4 catchable balls that he's drop the last two weeks. To me, with his TE speed, if he's not catching pretty much every catchable thrown to him, he's not all that useful. To be fair, I was a bit down on him even last year. I think he can be a good 3rd or 4th WR, but I don't see him as a guy who will be a good starting WR in the NFL. I could be wrong though. Hopefully.

[PackerTimer]

Ok I went back a few years and looked for a game where the Packers were down by two or three scores when Favre was under center. The first one I found was against Seattle two years ago. The drives are fairly similar. For the most part a lot of short passes with one or two deep balls (mostly incomplete). This isn't a rip on Favre, you just can't go deep against that type of coverage. It's pointless.

1st and 10 at GB 12 (2:31) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short right to A.Green pushed ob at GB 14 for 2 yards (K.Herndon).

2nd and 8 at GB 14 (2:25) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short right to A.Green to GB 20 for 6 yards (M.Boulware, C.Darby).

3rd and 2 at GB 20 (2:06) (No Huddle) B.Favre pass short left to A.Green to GB 27 for 7 yards (J.Peterson).

Two-Minute Warning
1st and 10 at GB 27 (2:00) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short middle to B.Franks to GB 36 for 9 yards (J.Peterson, L.Tatupu).

2nd and 1 at GB 36 (1:41) (No Huddle) B.Favre pass short right to G.Jennings to GB 44 for 8 yards (K.Hamlin, K.Jennings).

1st and 10 at GB 44 (1:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Favre pass short left to N.Herron pushed ob at GB 44 for no gain (M.Trufant).

2nd and 10 at GB 44 (1:10) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass incomplete short right to G.Jennings (J.Peterson).

3rd and 10 at GB 44 (1:05) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short middle to N.Herron to SEA 46 for 10 yards (M.Boulware, L.Tatupu).

1st and 10 at SEA 46 (:52) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on GB-B.Franks, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 46 - No Play. 10 second runoff.

1st and 15 at GB 49 (:25) B.Favre pass incomplete deep right to B.Franks.
2nd and 15 at GB 49 (:25) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass deep right to D.Driver to SEA 27 for 24 yards (K.Hamlin, J.Peterson).

PENALTY on GB, Illegal Shift, 5 yards, enforced at GB 49 - No Play.
2nd and 20 at GB 44 (:16) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short middle to N.Herron to SEA 45 for 11 yards (G.Wistrom, J.Peterson).

3rd and 9 at SEA 45 (:01) (No Huddle) B.Favre sacked at 50 for -5 yards (D.Tapp). FUMBLES (D.Tapp), RECOVERED by SEA-C.Terrill at SEA 46. C.Terrill to GB 49 for 5 yards. C.Terrill pass incomplete.

And now the one from tonight.

1st and 10 at GB 13 (5:34) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to G.Jennings to GB 19 for 6 yards (M.Jenkins).

2nd and 4 at GB 19 (5:12) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to GB 33 for 14 yards (K.Burnett, K.Hamlin).

1st and 10 at GB 33 (4:47) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to GB 40 for 7 yards (A.Jones).

2nd and 3 at GB 40 (4:26) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to D.Driver to DAL 48 for 12 yards (A.Henry).
1st and 10 at DAL 48 (4:03) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to G.Jennings pushed ob at DAL 28 for 20 yards (K.Hamlin).
1st and 10 at DAL 28 (3:56) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to B.Jackson to DAL 7 for 21 yards (M.Jenkins).

PENALTY on GB-D.Colledge, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 28 - No Play.

1st and 20 at DAL 38 (3:48) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to J.Nelson.

2nd and 20 at DAL 38 (3:43) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to D.Driver.

PENALTY on DAL-J.Hatcher, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 38 - No Play.

2nd and 15 at DAL 33 (3:35) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to D.Lee to DAL 23 for 10 yards (K.Hamlin, K.Burnett).

3rd and 5 at DAL 23 (3:09) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to DAL 15 for 8 yards (K.Hamlin; A.Jones).

1st and 10 at DAL 15 (2:46) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to J.Nelson.

2nd and 10 at DAL 15 (2:42) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to DAL 2 for 13 yards (A.Henry; A.Jones).

1st and 2 at DAL 2 (2:19) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left [A.Henry].

PENALTY on DAL-K.Hamlin, Defensive Holding, 1 yard, enforced at DAL 2 - No Play.

1st and 1 at DAL 1 (2:14) A.Rodgers left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.