All Is Not Lost

[BZnDallas]

Really, unless you expected to go 16-0 this year there's really no reason to get too worked up about this loss. Sure, losing sucks and I really wanted to beat the Cowboys and a I figured this was as good a shot as we've had in recent memory. But I did expect the Packers to lose some games this year, and if you look at our schedule Dallas is pretty much the best team we play all year (at least until the playoffs.) We didn't really look bad in doing it either. There are things we need to work on, and Dallas was clearly better than Green Bay in September, but it's a long season and things do change.

If we win this division, we get another crack at Dallas next year, if we don't see them in the playoffs. We're still on pace to win the division, and looking at our first four games? I think a lot of people (before the season started) would have been happy to finish September at 3-1. Really, if you keep up that pace you finish 12-4 and that will win most divisions in football. So let's beat the Bucs and not get too worked up about the Cowboys.

couldn't have said it better myself... go pack go!

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10 is not a three score game. 18 is. There is the difference. Subtracting the last drive where instead of trying to win it MM decided to pad stats, Rodgers was 20-34, 250ish, 0 TD, 0 INT. An extremely ok night.

[BZnDallas]

Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

As opposed to the great play we got from last years' starter against Dallas?

At least we didn't play scared and would take a shot down the field. Down by 18 with 5 minutes to go and we have a 3.5 minute drive loaded with slants into the middle of the field for 10 yards. Ridic.

Ok, I'll post it again, a drive in a game where Favre was at the helm and then tonights. Both are farily similar with a lot of short passes. The Favre game we were down 10 with a little over two minutes to go. Not many deep passes because they simply aren't there.

If you're thinking of the Broncos and Chargers game from last year please remember that those were very close games, in fact we might have been tied in both of them and really the toss to Jennings was a short slant that went for a big gain.

I'm not bashing Favre here like you guys are tryig to bash Rodgers. You just don't make those plays in these types of games.

1st and 10 at GB 12 (2:31) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short right to A.Green pushed ob at GB 14 for 2 yards (K.Herndon).

2nd and 8 at GB 14 (2:25) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short right to A.Green to GB 20 for 6 yards (M.Boulware, C.Darby).

3rd and 2 at GB 20 (2:06) (No Huddle) B.Favre pass short left to A.Green to GB 27 for 7 yards (J.Peterson).

Two-Minute Warning
1st and 10 at GB 27 (2:00) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short middle to B.Franks to GB 36 for 9 yards (J.Peterson, L.Tatupu).

2nd and 1 at GB 36 (1:41) (No Huddle) B.Favre pass short right to G.Jennings to GB 44 for 8 yards (K.Hamlin, K.Jennings).

1st and 10 at GB 44 (1:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Favre pass short left to N.Herron pushed ob at GB 44 for no gain (M.Trufant).

2nd and 10 at GB 44 (1:10) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass incomplete short right to G.Jennings (J.Peterson).

3rd and 10 at GB 44 (1:05) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short middle to N.Herron to SEA 46 for 10 yards (M.Boulware, L.Tatupu).

1st and 10 at SEA 46 (:52) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on GB-B.Franks, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 46 - No Play. 10 second runoff.

1st and 15 at GB 49 (:25) B.Favre pass incomplete deep right to B.Franks.
2nd and 15 at GB 49 (:25) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass deep right to D.Driver to SEA 27 for 24 yards (K.Hamlin, J.Peterson).

PENALTY on GB, Illegal Shift, 5 yards, enforced at GB 49 - No Play.
2nd and 20 at GB 44 (:16) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short middle to N.Herron to SEA 45 for 11 yards (G.Wistrom, J.Peterson).

3rd and 9 at SEA 45 (:01) (No Huddle) B.Favre sacked at 50 for -5 yards (D.Tapp). FUMBLES (D.Tapp), RECOVERED by SEA-C.Terrill at SEA 46. C.Terrill to GB 49 for 5 yards. C.Terrill pass incomplete.

And now the one from tonight.

1st and 10 at GB 13 (5:34) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to G.Jennings to GB 19 for 6 yards (M.Jenkins).

2nd and 4 at GB 19 (5:12) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to GB 33 for 14 yards (K.Burnett, K.Hamlin).

1st and 10 at GB 33 (4:47) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to GB 40 for 7 yards (A.Jones).

2nd and 3 at GB 40 (4:26) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to D.Driver to DAL 48 for 12 yards (A.Henry).
1st and 10 at DAL 48 (4:03) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to G.Jennings pushed ob at DAL 28 for 20 yards (K.Hamlin).
1st and 10 at DAL 28 (3:56) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to B.Jackson to DAL 7 for 21 yards (M.Jenkins).

PENALTY on GB-D.Colledge, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 28 - No Play.

1st and 20 at DAL 38 (3:48) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to J.Nelson.

2nd and 20 at DAL 38 (3:43) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to D.Driver.

PENALTY on DAL-J.Hatcher, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 38 - No Play.

2nd and 15 at DAL 33 (3:35) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to D.Lee to DAL 23 for 10 yards (K.Hamlin, K.Burnett).

3rd and 5 at DAL 23 (3:09) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to DAL 15 for 8 yards (K.Hamlin; A.Jones).

1st and 10 at DAL 15 (2:46) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to J.Nelson.

2nd and 10 at DAL 15 (2:42) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Nelson to DAL 2 for 13 yards (A.Henry; A.Jones).

1st and 2 at DAL 2 (2:19) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left [A.Henry].

PENALTY on DAL-K.Hamlin, Defensive Holding, 1 yard, enforced at DAL 2 - No Play.

1st and 1 at DAL 1 (2:14) A.Rodgers left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

packertimer how dare you pollute this thread with facts... haven't you noticed this forum is based solely on shitty opinions!... ... just play'n... good job on the research... haha

[PackerTimer]

10 is not a three score game. 18 is. There is the difference. Subtracting the last drive where instead of trying to win it MM decided to pad stats, Rodgers was 20-34, 250ish, 0 TD, 0 INT. An extremely ok night.

An argument could be made that Favre's drive was actually worse. He needed a score and only one onside kick and couldn't even get one of those scores in a little over two minutes. They didn't even get into field goal range.

Rodgers did almost exactly what was needed (and exaclty what Favre would have done). They needed to score before the two minute warning without spending any timeouts, which they did. They then needed to recover the onside kick and score within a minute or so (either a field goal or a touchdown). Then they needed to recover another onside kick with a little over a minute left with a chance to get the tying score.

I'm sorry but anybody who thinks Favre could have (or would have even tried) to get all that back in one play is just not being realistic.

[MOBB DEEP]

Rodgers was just ok; not bad and not good. Sometimes he held the ball too long; in a key play he got rid of it too early. He was off and on. Let's not make this into a AROD thing or a AROD and BF thing. Our record would probably be the same either way. Dallas is just much more talented all around right now.

Completely agree. Dallas is better than Green Bay with Rodger or with Favre.

QFT

cowgirls are stacked and will win the sb relatively EASILY

[MOBB DEEP]

Rodgers was just ok; not bad and not good. Sometimes he held the ball too long; in a key play he got rid of it too early. He was off and on. Let's not make this into a AROD thing or a AROD and BF thing. Our record would probably be the same either way. Dallas is just much more talented all around right now.

Completely agree. Dallas is better than Green Bay with Rodger or with Favre.

QFT

cowgirls are stacked and will win the sb relatively EASILY

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yet each week we have struggled for points. Week 1 we struggled against a 1-2, and very average looking Vikings team. Last week we did well against the worst team in the NFL.

We scored 17 offensive points against Minnesota. That doesn't sound great, but we missed a pretty easy FG. Want to blame that on Rodgers? We also got a long TD called back on a bad play by Moll. Rodgers should have put up 27 points on a tough Minnesota defense. A defense that gave up 18 points to Indy and 10 points to Carolina. Last week, we scored 34 points against Detroit. Until we faced Dallas, we hardly struggled to put up points.

[SkinBasket]

Going deep to our receiver who is a league leader in receptions in the air over 50 yards? I don't comprehend. If you get an INT, fine, but at least they are playing to win. Taking 3.5 minutes and accepting defeat to pad stats is ridiculous. How on earth they thought they'd have a chance for two scores with a minute left after their epic 3.5 minute middle of the field drive is beyond me. Ever heard of a sideline or taking a deep shot to keep the defense honest? Give me a break.

We know you don't comprehend. How many of those 50+ yard receptions were against prevent defense with quality coverage and a deep safety waiting to take his fucking head off?

You don't keep a prevent defense "honest" you cornhole. There is no "honest" about it. They're going to give you short, and your only hope is that the WR breaks that into something long. The only thing you accomplish by "going deep" into triple coverage, one of whom is guaranteed to be a safety facing the play, is guaranteed failure, especially against a backfield as solid as Dallas.

Playing how they did gave them the best chance to win. Throwing an INT or getting Jennings chest smashed in wouldn't have improved those odds. Or maybe you think McCarthy was playing to lose just to get you into a huff.

[ThunderDan]

Ok you were being dramatic. You're still wrong. It's damn near impossible to take a shot in that situation. You don't get shots down field when you're losing by 18 becuase the defense is taking it away.

The only way to get back in that game is to take a shot with someone and hope u hit it... if not, INT... game over and u lose but at least u did all u can to win.. dinkin and dunkin wastin the clock away doesn't even give u a chance
thats one thing I will miss with Favre is that he didn't care about his stats, he wanted to win.... i hope this isn't the case about Arod

Jesus you are a complete two faced liar. If Rodgers does what you wanted and threw an INT you would be screaming that he was young and immature and should have taken the dink and dunks the defense was giving him.

[MJZiggy]

Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

As opposed to the great play we got from last years' starter against Dallas?

At least we didn't play scared and would take a shot down the field. Down by 18 with 5 minutes to go and we have a 3.5 minute drive loaded with slants into the middle of the field for 10 yards. Ridic.

Why would we take a long shot down the field hail mary style when we're one of the best in the league (if not the best) at yards after the catch. Any one of those dink passes can break at any time, yet you want to dump all the marbles into overloaded coverage? We were short on receivers at the end of that game and they were playing 6 in the secondary in a prevent defense. Why would we do that?

[cpk1994]

Ok you were being dramatic. You're still wrong. It's damn near impossible to take a shot in that situation. You don't get shots down field when you're losing by 18 becuase the defense is taking it away.

The only way to get back in that game is to take a shot with someone and hope u hit it... if not, INT... game over and u lose but at least u did all u can to win.. dinkin and dunkin wastin the clock away doesn't even give u a chance
thats one thing I will miss with Favre is that he didn't care about his stats, he wanted to win.... i hope this isn't the case about Arod

You won't get a deep pass in that situation. The receivers don't even run deep routes. Everything is short. Favre woudl have played it the same way. He might have taken a shot but he wouldn't have completed it. That's essentially exactly how Favre and any other QB woudl have been forced to play it.

BS! you can always spread it out and have 4 go routes and hope u hit something... do not tell me u dont have the routes to get it done.. we just didnt try

The Packers couldn't get it done the first 55 minutes with the Cowboys playing the pass normally. What makes you think they would all of a sudden get it done when the Cowboys wer dropping 8 deep?
Also, You are proving to be one hypocritcal piece of work because its funny how someone who was bitching and moaning about how people shouldn't be comparing Rodgers to Favre is doing that very same thing. Favre is gone! Get over it!

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Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

As opposed to the great play we got from last years' starter against Dallas?

At least we didn't play scared and would take a shot down the field. Down by 18 with 5 minutes to go and we have a 3.5 minute drive loaded with slants into the middle of the field for 10 yards. Ridic.

Why would we take a long shot down the field hail mary style when we're one of the best in the league (if not the best) at yards after the catch. Any one of those dink passes can break at any time, yet you want to dump all the marbles into overloaded coverage? We were short on receivers at the end of that game and they were playing 6 in the secondary in a prevent defense. Why would we do that?

Break at any time? Against a prevent D? You're never going to take a short pass long in that situation. They're giving you the yards in the middle to eat up the block. Take a shot at the sideline, or deep down field. Gotta take a shot to win. I'm sick of playing to lose. MM needs to step his game up.

[MJZiggy]

It's called a prevent D because they're PREVENTING THE LONG PLAY!!! They have that covered, but are leaving yards there for the taking. You take them and see how many you can get before the folks waiting for the hail mary pass get back upfield to make the tackle.

[Rastak]

It's called a prevent D because they're PREVENTING THE LONG PLAY!!! They have that covered, but are leaving yards there for the taking. You take them and see how many you can get before the folks waiting for the hail mary pass get back upfield to make the tackle.

Per Tex they were leaving that wide open, trying only to stop short passes with GB way behind and the clock ticking...

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Yet each week we have struggled for points. Week 1 we struggled against a 1-2, and very average looking Vikings team. Last week we did well against the worst team in the NFL.

We scored 17 offensive points against Minnesota. That doesn't sound great, but we missed a pretty easy FG. Want to blame that on Rodgers? We also got a long TD called back on a bad play by Moll. Rodgers should have put up 27 points on a tough Minnesota defense. A defense that gave up 18 points to Indy and 10 points to Carolina. Last week, we scored 34 points against Detroit. Until we faced Dallas, we hardly struggled to put up points.

17 against Minne. Not a satisfactory amount. That is a huge step down from our explosive offense. Indy with all 5 OL starters out, an aging marvin harrison and an injured PManning. Hardly the same team.

We started out hot against Detroit and collapsed so bad offensively that we gave up a 24 point lead. One certainly blames the defense, but the offense isn't without blame either.

I'm not blaming Rodgers, he's played very well in two games and ok last night. I'm blaming MM who has suddenly taken all plays longer than 15 yards out of the playbook it seems. That 2nd half of play caling last night was his worse coaching performance yet in my opinion.