Pull The Trigger Teddy

[BZnDallas]

the one thing i don't see anybody disputing is the fact that Tony G would be an upgrade to our TE position... THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL!!! maybe the reason MMs offense doesn't utilize the TE position is b/c he doesn't have one with Tony Gs abilities... whether or not Tony G would get 100 receptions is pointless... we all know with the WRs on this team, its going to be hard for any of them to get that kind of production...

Exactly. Just how much better would this really make us?? We all know that A-Rod has plenty of weapons. If we made any kind of deal (which I doubt we will), I would think it would be to bolster weaker positions, like CB, DL, or OL.

LOL, sorry kyle, my argument was for bringing in Tony G, IF the price is right... a 4th rounder for sure, and maybe a 3rd since i'm expecting one back from the jets and our own should hopefully be the last pick in the round (at least towards the bottom of the round) ... HAHAHA

i just think a 32 year old tony g opens the middle up more than a donald lee or anything else we have at the position

[The Shadow]

Wesley Walls.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

the one thing i don't see anybody disputing is the fact that Tony G would be an upgrade to our TE position... THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL!!! maybe the reason MMs offense doesn't utilize the TE position is b/c he doesn't have one with Tony Gs abilities... whether or not Tony G would get 100 receptions is pointless... we all know with the WRs on this team, its going to be hard for any of them to get that kind of production...

Exactly. Just how much better would this really make us?? We all know that A-Rod has plenty of weapons. If we made any kind of deal (which I doubt we will), I would think it would be to bolster weaker positions, like CB, DL, or OL.

LOL, sorry kyle, my argument was for bringing in Tony G, IF the price is right... a 4th rounder for sure, and maybe a 3rd since i'm expecting one back from the jets and our own should hopefully be the last pick in the round (at least towards the bottom of the round) ... HAHAHA

i just think a 32 year old tony g opens the middle up more than a donald lee or anything else we have at the position

I understand that. I thought I had bolded the "THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL" part to use in my own argument. My mistake.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Relentless optimism won't change the facts. The Boys are the class of the NFC.

Yes, right now they are. By the time the season is over it could very well change. Were we any where near as good in week 3 last year as we were week 17? We're pretty banged up right now and we're still a very young team. Once we get guys like Grant, Wells, Sitton, Hall, Jones, Harris, Bigby and Harrell healthy, this team could take a big step foward. In the mean time we're giving guys like Nelson, Jackson, Williams, Blackmon and Rouse more game experience. Couple that with our coaching staff's reputation for being good teachers and I think our upside is very high. I don't think the Cowboys, as good as they are, have as much room for improvement. I am almost more worried about the Eagles and the Giants.

I was actually very impressed with our defense against the boys. Their 3 big plays where the difference in that game and I don't think 2 of them would have happened if Harris and Bigby were healthy. Those 2 alone would have made a difference in that game. I am not trying to blame the loss on injuries, the Cowboys did look like the better team, but I am not going to concede a loss if we meet them again.

Boys don't have room for improvement?

They have a young RB, young WRs, a stll developing QB, a CB who is returning to the NFL, and they were without starters, and still acclimating players on the team like Thomas.

We are lucky that we didn't get blown out by 30. It easily coulda happened.

Their front 7 is better than our line. Thinking things will get better when we get wells back..and guy who can't handle size, or a rookie....rookies make rookie mistakes is pie in the sky optimism.

Harrell? Really? You are going there? I haven't written him off, but c'mon.

Hall..a fullback.

Look, half those players could be average or regress or do nothing special. Bigby is just a guy. Hall is just a guy. Jones, at this stage, is trying to a a guy...if he can catch the ball.

The pack may well get better, but the boys are the class of the NFC.

[BZnDallas]

lol... gotcha kyle...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Wesley Walls.

He was older, and on his last legs.

[BZnDallas]

Relentless optimism won't change the facts. The Boys are the class of the NFC.

Yes, right now they are. By the time the season is over it could very well change. Were we any where near as good in week 3 last year as we were week 17? We're pretty banged up right now and we're still a very young team. Once we get guys like Grant, Wells, Sitton, Hall, Jones, Harris, Bigby and Harrell healthy, this team could take a big step foward. In the mean time we're giving guys like Nelson, Jackson, Williams, Blackmon and Rouse more game experience. Couple that with our coaching staff's reputation for being good teachers and I think our upside is very high. I don't think the Cowboys, as good as they are, have as much room for improvement. I am almost more worried about the Eagles and the Giants.

I was actually very impressed with our defense against the boys. Their 3 big plays where the difference in that game and I don't think 2 of them would have happened if Harris and Bigby were healthy. Those 2 alone would have made a difference in that game. I am not trying to blame the loss on injuries, the Cowboys did look like the better team, but I am not going to concede a loss if we meet them again.

Boys don't have room for improvement?

They have a young RB, young WRs, a stll developing QB, a CB who is returning to the NFL, and they were without starters, and still acclimating players on the team like Thomas.

The pack may well get better, but the boys are the class of the NFC

the cowbitches are without a doubt the class of the NFC... but they do have an established qb, rb, wr, te, and offensive line... every team out there has room for improvement!! the more the packers play together and jell the more i believe they can close the gap on the cowbitches... doesn't mean we will beat them, if we play them again this year... but i think the packers have more room for improvement and can improve with the remaining games on our schedule

and i won't blame the refs for the loss, but both of their long scoring plays could have been called back... holding on both the felix jones 60 yard rush and again holding on austin miles long reception down the sideline... if the correct calls are made on those two plays its a whole different ball game... i won't say we would have won b/c teams do different things in different circumstances but it would have been a different ball game... just one mans opinion

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Game is won on the line.

Dallas oline killed us. Dallas dline killed us.

[BZnDallas]

Game is won on the line.

Dallas oline killed us. Dallas dline killed us.

couldn't have said it better myself... smartest thing i've read you type yet tyrone

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Game is won on the line.

Dallas oline killed us. Dallas dline killed us.

couldn't have said it better myself... smartest thing i've read you type yet tyrone

You haven't been reading long, have you?

[pbmax]

Game is won on the line.

Dallas oline killed us. Dallas dline killed us.

Way overstating the case. The two biggest runs were mistakes by backups (Montgomery and Rouse) and of course they can get better at aligning correctly.

Does that mean out D line is better than the Cowboy O Line? No, but the difference is not a 178 yard running game. And we did get pressure ramped up in the second half. Its not enough, but I believe its closer than it appeared.

On offense, we ran blocked well. I keep reading that their D line dominated us. But allowing us better than 4 yards a carry isn't domination, considering we have had our problems with the run game. Pass blocking? Different story, and Rodgers didn't help by running into a sack and holding the ball too long on two others. But handling their blitz can be improved too.

I think these two teams are much closer than that game led us to believe on the lines.

[The Shadow]

Wesley Walls.

He was older, and on his last legs.

A good draft pick for 32 year old legs is not always a good idea.

[cpk1994]

Game is won on the line.

Dallas oline killed us. Dallas dline killed us.

couldn't have said it better myself... smartest thing i've read you type yet tyrone

Probably becuase he is detoxing between shipments.

[SnakeLH2006]

It is exactly the kind of move Ted would not make.

I disagree. This is the kind of great NFL player TT would want and be willing to pay for.

I could see a 2nd easy.

The TT Kool-Aide is not gonna cut it.

Facts:

1) Gonzalez would be great, but not the K. Jackson difference maker as we were missing the upfield TE threat 10 years ago, and Lee does that just fine.

2) We need a blocking TE to help out with the O-Line in dissarray.

3) CB won't be that bad, but no CB this side of Deion will be able to jump in and learn bump and run and make a difference.

4) DT is the problem. Watch the Cowboy game again. Trade there as those guys can and will make a difference. That's our biggest weakness right now.

5) TT will NEVER give up a 2nd much less 3rd round pick to get a 32 year old TE (he's a great guy and prob. can catch balls yet) on the downside to his career with a massive contract. So be realistic. If he's offering a 5th for Moss how much will he offer for an older TE with limited blocking skills.

6) End Post.

[Fred's Slacks]

Boys don't have room for improvement?

They have a young RB, young WRs, a stll developing QB, a CB who is returning to the NFL, and they were without starters, and still acclimating players on the team like Thomas.

Sure, they have room for improvement. I never said they didn't. But getting a long time vet acclimated to a new team is a little different then getting young guys up to speed with playing at a new level. The former takes weeks. The later takes years.

We are lucky that we didn't get blown out by 30. It easily coulda happened.

I don't see the mistakes Dallas made that kept them from blowing us out. I think its more likely that if Rouse is in the right position on the Felix Jones run and he does a better job helping Tramon out on the Austin TD, we have a much different game. That's 14 points on 2 plays. What did we lose by again?

Their front 7 is better than our line. Thinking things will get better when we get wells back..and guy who can't handle size, or a rookie....rookies make rookie mistakes is pie in the sky optimism.

I'll agree that their front seven outplayed our Oline and right now you have to say they're better. But we have room for improvement. Regardless of what you think of Wells, do you not think that moving Moll to the bench will improve this line? As for Sitton, there is reason for optimism when the rookie out plays your vets for a starting job. That just might mean the kid is pretty good.

Harrell? Really? You are going there? I haven't written him off, but c'mon.

When you make a comment like that, I have a hard time believing you haven't written him off. Why else would you think he can't help the team at a thin position? Unless you're questioning his talent, there's no reason to beleive he can't help out when healthy.

Hall..a fullback.

Yes, hes assignment sure and he's a better receiver than Kuhn. He's also one of our best special teams guys. Surprised you didn't know that.

Look, half those players could be average or regress or do nothing special. Bigby is just a guy. Hall is just a guy. Jones, at this stage, is trying to a a guy...if he can catch the ball.

Sure, but even if only half those players improve this team, then we're still alot better than we are now. I guess instead of improving at 10 spots we only improve at 5, still better.

And I don't agree about Bigby. He led the team in picks last year and has played very well going back to the end of last season. Did Seattle think he was just a guy after our playoff game last year? Oh yeah and its only his second season as a starter.

The pack may well get better, but the boys are the class of the NFC.

Tyrone, I didn't say they weren't the class of the NFC. They are, but IMHO our team has more places they can expect improvement from as the season moves on. Is it enough to make us better? Nobody knows that for sure but I am not ready to concede a loss if we meet again.

People keep talking about how we were dominated but I see the 3 big offensive plays as the difference in the game. 2 of those plays were directly related to our inexperienced personnel. To think that we can't do better if given a second chance is just being pessimistic. I think I am just being realistic.