NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

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I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

I'm not saying that A-Rod is the problem. He has played at a level that a good team can win with. Perhaps Favre masked a lot of those problems last year? Who knows. All I know is mysteriously our offense took a huge step back.

[retailguy]

This is the NFL, he is a 4th year player, by no means a rookie. Because of his lack of experience he will make mistakes and yes you roll with some of them. But the same mistakes spanning "games"? 1 game ok. 2 games, not so much and it has actually be 2.5 games of bad play for him. So at what point do you cut the training wheels off? At what point does his poor play share in the responsibility of this teams losses? According to you he isn't a problem. I strongly disagree. Time to cut the umbilical cord, and allow him the same scrutiny any other starting QB in the NFL gets. This include kudos and blame.

I understand what you're saying, however, he's got FOUR games of starting experience, and has shown he's good when he's had a chance. don't give me the 4 years of experience crap. You gotta play to get some experience. This isn't book knowledge. You can't learn some of this stuff by sitting on the bench.

I'd be where you are, IF and only IF, we had an OL that was NFL ready. It's not. Therefore, he's struggling. The question becomes, would he play well if they played well? I think so. You don't. We've got 12 more games, and we'll see who is right.

[Pacopete4]

I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

I'm not saying that A-Rod is the problem. He has played at a level that a good team can win with. Perhaps Favre masked a lot of those problems last year? Who knows. All I know is mysteriously our offense took a huge step back.

there is no mystery about it...

[MOBB DEEP]

This is the NFL, he is a 4th year player, by no means a rookie. Because of his lack of experience he will make mistakes and yes you roll with some of them. But the same mistakes spanning "games"? 1 game ok. 2 games, not so much and it has actually be 2.5 games of bad play for him. So at what point do you cut the training wheels off? At what point does his poor play share in the responsibility of this teams losses? According to you he isn't a problem. I strongly disagree. Time to cut the umbilical cord, and allow him the same scrutiny any other starting QB in the NFL gets. This include kudos and blame.

im probably the biggest lord favre fan ever and cant stand tt.

however, i feel arod is a good nfl qb (and will make at least 3 probowls). im pleasantly surprised by his skill set; not sure why he's getting bashed at this point!

[retailguy]

I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

I'm not saying that A-Rod is the problem. He has played at a level that a good team can win with. Perhaps Favre masked a lot of those problems last year? Who knows. All I know is mysteriously our offense took a huge step back.

Mysteriously? Have you watched the OL? For heaven's sake, even Cliffy looked like a turnstile today. Freaking Joe Montana would have struggled today.

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I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

I'm not saying that A-Rod is the problem. He has played at a level that a good team can win with. Perhaps Favre masked a lot of those problems last year? Who knows. All I know is mysteriously our offense took a huge step back.

Mysteriously? Have you watched the OL? For heaven's sake, even Cliffy looked like a turnstile today. Freaking Joe Montana would have struggled today.

I'm not saying they wouldn't. Maybe Favre would have too? I don't know. But, he always had a knack to avoid the sack and find an open receiver quickly. This is the offensive line which we road all the way to the NFC championship last year. To my knowledge they're healthier now then they've been in a long time. It's possible they're slipping, but it's also possible that we're just not as effective at keeping a defense balanced and on their toes.

[gbgary]

what's done is done.

i'll just paste what i posted on the back-up qb poll question:

"four games into the season and i think the Pack are showing what they are...average. pretty darn good on d (when not over taxed), less than average on o. i think we overachieved last year with brett being the difference maker. i voted to keep the three we have so they (arod) can get experience and grow. we're far from a superbowl team so getting an experienced back-up would just set things back in the long run."

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TWill and Nick Collins have been pleasant surprises this year. TWill looked pretty good today.. Better than I thought for sure.

[retailguy]

I'm not saying they wouldn't. Maybe Favre would have too? I don't know. But, he always had a knack to avoid the sack and find an open receiver quickly. This is the offensive line which we road all the way to the NFC championship last year. To my knowledge they're healthier now then they've been in a long time. It's possible they're slipping, but it's also possible that we're just not as effective at keeping a defense balanced and on their toes.

FAVRE rode this line to the NFC Championship. Expecting Rodgers to do that is lunacy. I don't think this line was EVER any good. It was adequate - at times, but never consistently. An adequate line was all Favre would ever need. Rodgers needs and deserves a GOOD line to develop some experience. This is NOT a good line.

These guards STINK. The tackles are not built for ZBS. Our Center is adequate but not world beating. Spitz is a better center than guard. Colledge will NEVER make a good guard. He "might" make a good tackle one day, but that's looking bleak.... It's like a band of misfit toys.

[cpk1994]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

This is why you don't trade Favre. Rodgers goes down and the Pack is screwed.

TT should have brought in a vet backup.

Why did you not create a thread "NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND" after Rodgers had good games? Aren't the lessons there equally valid.

This is loser stuff.

Becuae he is one that has been raking TT over the coasls for Favre and now the gutless wonder has come to gloat. Kind of funny he was nowhere to be found when ARod was doing well. Until they do, these idiots have no credibility.

so when he does bad... u have no credibility?

Ahh I was wating for the King of Trolls to appear. I have been here the entire time. Its gutless people like him and Merlin who were conspicuously absent the two weeks Aaron did well and only now when he is struggling do they show. As for you, you are less than that becuase while you have been here you have been nothing but a pathetic little troll. I have turned the other cheek but now the gloves are off. I will no longer ignore the BS a POS like you has been spewing.

[packerbacker1234]

This is the NFL, he is a 4th year player, by no means a rookie. Because of his lack of experience he will make mistakes and yes you roll with some of them. But the same mistakes spanning "games"? 1 game ok. 2 games, not so much and it has actually be 2.5 games of bad play for him. So at what point do you cut the training wheels off? At what point does his poor play share in the responsibility of this teams losses? According to you he isn't a problem. I strongly disagree. Time to cut the umbilical cord, and allow him the same scrutiny any other starting QB in the NFL gets. This include kudos and blame.

I understand what you're saying, however, he's got FOUR games of starting experience, and has shown he's good when he's had a chance. don't give me the 4 years of experience crap. You gotta play to get some experience. This isn't book knowledge. You can't learn some of this stuff by sitting on the bench.

I'd be where you are, IF and only IF, we had an OL that was NFL ready. It's not. Therefore, he's struggling. The question becomes, would he play well if they played well? I think so. You don't. We've got 12 more games, and we'll see who is right.

A couple things. The statement that Rodger's has been good when he's had the chance is subjective. It's your opinion. Others can sort of see through the opinion, and see he hasn't played overly well. First game, he had 1 TD pass. 1. Against the vikings (worst pass defense from last season). The QB sneak TD was meaningless - we could of handed the ball to anyone and scored on that play. So, I'll give him credit for one pretty darn good TD pass. It was a average day, against a (what looks like now) bad vikings team.

Second game - Came out like the world was on fire. Three TD's, starting to get the feeling that Rodger's was ready to go, TT was smart, and the best thing for Favre, and the packers, came true. Then, the second half happens. He can't convert third downs. Can't put any more points on the board.

Third Game - Say what you will that his stats and QB rating were fine, but he had Zero passing TD's. No ints, sure, but three balls that should of been. Alright, it was dallas, first tough game as starter... ok sure I can sort of pass on this. Still, he played bad.

Fourth - We know what happened.

I can't say he's been "good" he's had the chance. I mean, you can go off blaiming the OL all you want, or blaiming this guy or that guy... but what was the sole siginifcant change from a 13 - 3 team to this team? QB.

This same offensive line last season got grant almost a 1000 yards rushing in 8 games, got us 13 wins, and a playoff victory. It's starting to paint together that you know what, Favre may have possibly been a bigger factor for this team then management, and many fans, wanted to admit.

Say what you will, but I will judge AR as he should be judged. Yes, you get a little bit of leeway as it his first season... but now he gets another "mystery" injury (as in,no one really knows when it happened, and the closest guess is on a qb run where he dove untouched) and suddenly Rodger's is playing well enough for us to win, but the rest of the team is not? Really? The same roster that got us 13 wins is at fault, and the QB is not?

If Rodger's had been performing liket his, say, for the Cowboy's (like, he was romo's backup and Romo went down and he started), he would get booed off the field. Were not that critical - on our current Roster h e is the best guy. Well, we gave him the job (noting he never had to compete for it) and yeah, did alright out the gate.

Again was it really on him? Our team is pretty good, if you look at it honestly. First two games were against teams that our talent level was so superior on both sides of the ball overall, that I feel really any QB could of played for us and won those games.

Then, we get against teams that have close to, if not better, talent then us... and Suddenly Rodger's has to win games. I know he isn't favre, but how everyone knew favre was special was because right out the gate... he had to win games... and he did it. Rodgers has had three chances (4 really, but the defense sort of took care of it in detroit) to win a game and failed to do it. Last year at Dallas - ball in his hands with a chance to take the lead. This year against dallas at home - Middle of the 4th with a chance to take the lead. Again, this week in tampa - ball was in his hands to win the game,a nd he threw a int. Hurt or not, he was bale to throw a TD already with the hurt shoulder... so he was more then capable of playing at least that drive. He got unblocked pressure... and didn't move.

What I am saying here, in the end, is I judge every QB with the same eye. I really pray Rodgers is ok and only misses one game, but the fact remains that even in his "good" games, he hasn't been that impressive. He made a couple unexpected throws against two horrible teams, and really hasn't done much since. His QB rating, and Completion percentage, is thanks to the constant 3 yard dump off pass. Easy completions - but they aren't driving the field with them.

Just saying - He has played OK for my expectations, but he has to start taking some of the blame. While I agree our OL is less then Ideal, it is the same OL that was able to block for a 13 - 3 record. When your only real change to a 13 - 3 team is at the QB spot, and your offense suddenly becomes drastically less productive, pointing blame onto others wont solve it. Rodger's hasn't played well, and he needs to own up that fact like every other starting QB in the NFL. Favre had to deal with the criticism last week, and he has been doing this for a long time. Rodger's should deal with it as well. He played bad. No excuses. This isn't peyton manning throwing his line under the bus. Despite the "hits" on Rodgers, most plays he was upright and didn't get it done.

[cpk1994]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

This is why you don't trade Favre. Rodgers goes down and the Pack is screwed.

TT should have brought in a vet backup.

Why did you not create a thread "NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND" after Rodgers had good games? Aren't the lessons there equally valid.

This is loser stuff.

Becuae he is one that has been raking TT over the coasls for Favre and now the gutless wonder has come to gloat. Kind of funny he was nowhere to be found when ARod was doing well. Until they do, these idiots have no credibility.

DUDE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FACTS:

A-Rod had a decent game against the Vikes. One passing TD, and one rushing TD. Not exactly a day of offensive fire power.

He started out hot against Detroit. Detroit. One more time. Detroit. Then, the offense stalled so bad Detroit took the lead with 5 minutes left. Had it not been for Chuck, we would have LOST and been the joke of the league for giving up a huge lead to Detroit. Sure, statistically it was a fine outting, but stats don't tell the whole story when the team starts out hots then cools down to ice.

Against Dallas he played pretty bad imo. He didn't lose the game but he certainly didn't do anything to make it close.

Today he was awful. Say what you will, but I'm a realist. He's been OK so far after a dynamic preseason.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about LEWCWA and his ilk who were mysteriously missing when ARod was doing well but suddenly show up and bash when ARod has struggled. If you don't have the guts to come on when ARod is doing well and say so, you have no right to bash him when he struggles.

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I'm just saying in general. He's played alright so far. Great preseason. Incredible start to the first half of the Lions game. Great pass to Jennings today. Lots of bad plays in between. They need to be able to run the ball or they won't survive.

[packerbacker1234]

I'm just saying in general. He's played alright so far. Great preseason. Incredible start to the first half of the Lions game. Great pass to Jennings today. Lots of bad plays in between. They need to be able to run the ball or they won't survive.

Agreed. I think the pass to Jennings though is being overrated a little. Was he not wide open because the defender slipped? It wasn't a long pass, so really it was a gimme completion.

Still, it was nice. But, running is crucial... and I think it's going to be tough. I see each game that teams are bringing guys up to stop grant and Force AR to beat them. So far, AR hasn't beat anyone.

[Scott Campbell]

So far, AR hasn't beat anyone.

......except the Vikings and Lions.