Were we all fooled?

[packerbacker1234]

Agreed. I am patient enough to give ARod and M3/TT a chance and at least a full year maybe two before I start questioning the regimes decisions coming into this season.

the decision to trade Favre is irrelevant... a year or two from now Favre will be gone anyway...

M3/TT should be judged based on how well they put together a roster that can win without Favre...any like you said, they've got to have time before one can be judged

they went 13-3 last year... they are transitioning from a HOF QB and have had a rash of injuries to key players (Harris, Jenkins).

In my mind, the only position at which TT has failed is on the OL - and I think part of the problem this year is that not only has he not solidified the interior, but the tackles are now getting old. Everything else, with the possible exception of the center of the D-line, is solid.

DL depth is horrid. Nothing wrong with the original starting front four, but when montgomery is your every down backup DE, and the next best DT is Colin Cole, there is a problem. It's starting to show too> We can't just keep our top 4 in all game every play and expect pressure, they need rest like everyone else.

[falco]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

so what? he should be canned? I think he's performed well in all other aspects of his job. Very few GM's have done well replacing legendary QBs, and although A-ROD has a lot to prove, I think the future looks bright.

I also think our offensive line got us to 13-3 and let Favre have an MVP year, and Grant rushed for almost 1000 yards in practically half a season. I'm sure you've got a canned response for that as well.

ya, where the hell is it this season? maybe ur telling me the blame falls more on MM then? Obviously things aren't going right.. someone is not doing their job... and no, I dont' think TT should be canned... just simply discussing our GM and Head coach... don't make it into a Brett Favre thing, we all know how good he is

a very good question, one that I can't answer. I would guess a lot of it would have to due with the unsettled line in the preseason due to injuries, and the tackles play is obviously declining. but i think basically they all suck donkey balls at one time or another during the game

[PackerTimer]

There are a number of reasons why I think your argument fails. One is the injuries to the offensive and defensive lines. With the roster limits at 53, it is so hard to have the kind of depth you would need to make up for all of the injuries the Packers have suffered this year. Would this team be better if Harrel, Jenkins, Harris, and Bigby? YES. A lot of teams can make up for a lost of one and maybe two starters but losing three starters and one of the your key rotation guys would absolutely hamper any team in the NFL. TT deserves some blame for taking Harrel with such a questionable injury history but I'm also not quite ready to give up on Harrel yet.

The offensive line has struggled quite a bit, but a lot of the weaknesses have been at the tackle positions. Who would have thought that Clifton and Taucsh would struggle as much as they have? The perceived weakness of our offensive line, the interior, actually has not been fairly good. Colledge and Spitz have both played pretty well this year. Colledge did pretty well filling in for Clifton today.

The bottom line is that injuries on the defensive side of the ball are killing this team. With that many injuries no team would be able to perform at the level they expected to perform at. I think the offense showed some pretty good signs of going in the right direction in the second half. The play calling and execution as a whole was much crisper than it had been the last 10 quarters. But the defense is going to struggle until they get healthy. Hopefully Bigby will be back soon and hopefully Harrell can contribute on the defensive line when he comes back. They need him.

[falco]

Agreed. I am patient enough to give ARod and M3/TT a chance and at least a full year maybe two before I start questioning the regimes decisions coming into this season.

the decision to trade Favre is irrelevant... a year or two from now Favre will be gone anyway...

M3/TT should be judged based on how well they put together a roster that can win without Favre...any like you said, they've got to have time before one can be judged

they went 13-3 last year... they are transitioning from a HOF QB and have had a rash of injuries to key players (Harris, Jenkins).

In my mind, the only position at which TT has failed is on the OL - and I think part of the problem this year is that not only has he not solidified the interior, but the tackles are now getting old. Everything else, with the possible exception of the center of the D-line, is solid.

DL depth is horrid. Nothing wrong with the original starting front four, but when montgomery is your every down backup DE, and the next best DT is Colin Cole, there is a problem. It's starting to show too> We can't just keep our top 4 in all game every play and expect pressure, they need rest like everyone else.

I liked our DL even with only the 3 tackles, since Jenkins could roll inside on passing downs. The problem was that with only one injury the whole thing has fallen apart.

Let's hope all this chatter about Harrell being in great shape comes true...

[gbgary]

I noticed during the game (and Bedard mentioned the same thing in his chat) that the line played as well if not better with Clifton out. . . may make for some interesting discussion going forward.

I would like to see them try Colledge / Barbre / Spitz / Sitton / Tauscher. Not sure how Colledge would hold up, but it would be interesting.

o-lines are funny. sometimes it's just a chemistry thing. the dallas o-line is a good example. nearly to the man they're a bunch of rejects from other teams that have jelled.

[dissident94]

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

[Pacopete4]

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

I think ur dead on and u will be ripped... but this has definetely someting to do with part of the problem this season but I do think Arod is gonna be a good QB in this league it just sucks that we might've thrown away a year where we coulda really done someting, hindsight is 20/20 though

[PackerTimer]

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

Why? Aaron Rodgers has performed well. If he keeps playing the way he has, we'll have replaced one pro bowl qb with another. He's probably done about as well as Favre would be doing right now. Was our pro-bowl qb going to play on the defensive line also? Some you people don't have a fucking clue.

[PackerTimer]

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

I think ur dead on and u will be ripped... but this has definetely someting to do with part of the problem this season but I do think Arod is gonna be a good QB in this league it just sucks that we might've thrown away a year where we coulda really done someting, hindsight is 20/20 though

The perfect response from the most clueless poster on this forum.

[Pacopete4]

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

I think ur dead on and u will be ripped... but this has definetely someting to do with part of the problem this season but I do think Arod is gonna be a good QB in this league it just sucks that we might've thrown away a year where we coulda really done someting, hindsight is 20/20 though

The perfect response from the most clueless poster on this forum.

theres more to the game that meets the eye bud... havin a QB that can change plays and get u outta bad situations is a huge thing in the NFL and we miss that this season... Arod is playing well, but we do miss that.. I'm not sure whats wrong about sayin that?

[falco]

the defense carried us the first half of the season last year, not brett favre...

hell, we won the philly game thanks to two muffed punts

I think Rodgers performance to date this year has been more than enough to win games

[Pacopete4]

we're talking about why the Oline stinks this season and not last year... not about performances... favre checked outta a lotta bad plays last season that allowed him to not take sacks and to be effective in the run game..

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Were we all fooled?

Were we also fooled by McCarthy? His play calling and discipline is atrocious. Was he made by #4 being his QB and leader? .

you are a boring troll

[Pacopete4]

Re: Were we all fooled?

Were we also fooled by McCarthy? His play calling and discipline is atrocious. Was he made by #4 being his QB and leader? .

you are a boring troll

Well explain why McCarthy sucks then?... can u?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'll explain that I feel stupid for resorting to name calling.

Must learn to count to 10 backwards before posting.