Were we all fooled?

[packrat]

I thought this was supposed to be serious discussion--not a comedy routine. What role are you guys trying out for--Don Rickles? It is impossible to make a REASONED judgment on this team, its GM, coaches, and players, at this point in the season. How the team comes through this will give us a better measure of everyone--including the posters who have been feeding this thread.

[Partial]

Fortunately, that will be the excuse for the poor perfomance this year instead of Rodgers so it will keep the media attention off of him.

Rodgers makes some really questionable decisions. He throws a lot of dumb balls away when people are open, and took 2 sacks today that I thought were ridiculous. Also, if you're going to throw it away throw it over the LOS.

Leave it to Partial. Rodgers has a 95.5 passer rating in his first 5 starts behind a suspect OLine and somehow this is still his fault. You can nitpick and find things wrong with anyone if you want to see it. But Favre never made questionable decisions.

Again, as I have said for the millionth time.. Stats Do Not Tell The Entire Story!

He has played alright. Better than I have expected. But, he is playing like a first year QB, no doubt. He throws a lot of balls away when there are open receivers, he throws some ugly passes (see the cross field pass to Jennings yesterday), and he has taken a ton of sacks where he should have just chucked the ball up.

Yesterday, several drives stalled because of Rodgers bad decision making. For example, we have the intentional grounding call because he didn't throw it past the LOS. We have the 2-3 sacks he took for hanging onto the ball for too long. We have the sack he took with 2:04 left in the 4th quarter rather than throwing the ball through the back of the end zone to get the clock stopped and run another play before the 2:00 warning. There was another ball where driver was open for a big gain on the sideline where Rodgers was running to. Instead of taking a shot down the field to a wide open driver, he tossed it away. It's evident to me that he didn't see him, otherwise he had the easiest 25-30 yard gain of his young career.

That pass to Jennings in double coverage was not a wise decision, but Favre made a career doing that so I can't really fault him for doing what his teacher did.

Favre has the highest QB rating in the league but he has played 2 good games and 2 bad games. Again, stats do not tell the entire story!!!! Throwing 6 TDs in one game is obviously going to pad your stats significantly!

[Bossman641]

Re: Clue

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

Why? Aaron Rodgers has performed well. If he keeps playing the way he has, we'll have replaced one pro bowl qb with another. He's probably done about as well as Favre would be doing right now. Was our pro-bowl qb going to play on the defensive line also? Some you people don't have a fucking clue.

The pot calling the kettle black. You have not clues but FACTS looking you right in the face. Favre made the line look better because he sensed back-side pressure. He knew when to slip slide and glide. This is the same damn line but yet the sacks are up. Did you pay ANY attention yesterday? The Falcon's 3 man rush gave us problems which is freakin unbelievable. I don't know about your world but in mine 3 beating 5 is UNACCEPTABLE!

This is no criticism of Rodgers, but to say he's playing as well as Favre would be if he were still here is just plain DUMB and the FACTS (not your opinion) prove it! Yes, in time Rodgers will gain the needed experience and may very well be a good QB. However, right now he holds the ball to long and does not sense back side pressure very well.

It's the same shit around here, nothing but excuses that don't support the facts. We're 2-3 and our sacks are up and run game is in-consistent. Rodgers is getting beaten like a pinada yet the same guys wanna tell us how our line is improving.

Um, for those of you who don't know it, we were beaten at HOME by a team many considered to be bottom feeders in the NFL. A team who by all accounts and FACTS has been horrible on the road. A team with a rookie QB who was'nt even TOUCHED all day. Yesterday was a freakin DISGRACE.

Now the same guys who ripped Sherman when the injury bug decimated his team are making excuses for Thompson. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Wake up and smell the coffee! No depth and we are just about the weakest team in the NFL on the interior of both our lines. Newsflash for the clowns- the middle is where most games are won or lost.............

How much depth do you expect the packers to have? The team would be fine with the loss of Bigby for a few games, or Jenkins, or Harris.

It's one thing to overcome a loss here or there, but they have been hit at every level of the defense. We're down to the 3rd string safety for god's sake. I guess TT should have Pro Bowlers backing up the starters.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I thought this was supposed to be serious discussion--not a comedy routine.

The joke's on you - this is the whacky-whacky room. Check out the Romper Room for the serious stuff.

[prsnfoto]

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

I think ur dead on and u will be ripped... but this has definetely someting to do with part of the problem this season but I do think Arod is gonna be a good QB in this league it just sucks that we might've thrown away a year where we coulda really done someting, hindsight is 20/20 though

The perfect response from the most clueless poster on this forum.

This coming from the dumbest fuck who knows nothing about football. (see it is so easy to call people names) Rodgers has done fine better than fine for a rookie which is what he really is but he holds the ball eons longer than Favre if you can't see that than you have no business watching a football game cause my 13 year old daughter can see that. That my fine feathered friend is why the line needed to be better this year and your butt buddy TT did not do his job, rookie QB's need good lines so they can see the field and go through their checkdowns it takes time, Favre could do it in his sleep and when Rodgers has had time to do it he has made some great throws. The O-line sucks,the D-line is tired and the LB's are pussies that about sums up our team that is the GM's fault , the penalties are a lack of disipline that is the coach's fault and why I would give both a D right now Rodgers would get B to B+ he ain't the biggest problem. The team would be better with Favre anyone with an ounce of sense knows that but Rodgers is the least of my worries right now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yesterday, several drives stalled because of Rodgers bad decision making. For example, we have the intentional grounding call because he didn't throw it past the LOS.

That wasn't a bad play. He couldn't have gotten that ball to the LOS without getting picked with the number of defenders on that side of the field and it would have been hard to get it out of bounds because he was being tackled as he was trying to throw it out of bounds. He did what he could. Either he takes a sack or he gets the grounding, but that's no worse than taking the sack. Blame the horrendous whiff by Tauscher on that play.

There was another ball where driver was open for a big gain on the sideline where Rodgers was running to. Instead of taking a shot down the field to a wide open driver, he tossed it away. It's evident to me that he didn't see him, otherwise he had the easiest 25-30 yard gain of his young career.

Another play where we had a great vantage point. Driver was open initially, but the way Rodgers was running, it would have taken too long for him to turn his body and get that throw there in time.

I don't disagree with your overall point. He's made mistakes, but he's not even close to the reason that we are an average team. He made two obvious bad plays yesterday. He missed a wide open Jennings and threw the interception. The other stuff is the same stuff that all QBs will do during games. Of the 12 games I sat through with Favre as QB, there wasn't one where I thought he made every play that was available. He'd miss an open receiver, not see one, not throw it away, force the ball. That stuff happens. The biggest difference is that the team just isn't that great. Nobody is picking each other up. The defense had a shot to stop the Falcons twice and given Rodgers a chance to be the hero. They didn't. The special teams had a chance to step up after we tied it up. Instead they allowed a long kickoff return. McCarthy had a chance to open it up in the first half when we couldn't run, but didn't. Then, he could have stuck to the run in the second half when it was working, but didn't. Rodgers had some plays that he could have made. The punter did poorly. We had 3 points wiped off the board because of a penalty. That was huge.

[GoPackGo]

Re: Were we all fooled?

After seeing our depth so far, were we all fooled by thinking TT knew what the hell he was doing? Our oline hasn't been up and running since he got here and our Dline hasn't improved either... for the GM of the year award winner, shouldn't we expect much more out of him?



Were we also fooled by McCarthy? His play calling and discipline is atrocious. Was he made by #4 being his QB and leader?



sure seems like we were fooled....

I don't feel like I've been fooled. The offense is playing well enough to put up enough points to win, but the defense has to many injuries to play at a high level. If the Packers defense was at 100% they would have had no problem beating Atlanta yesterday. I'm not worried and I still feel like the team is in good hands.

[cpk1994]

Fortunately, that will be the excuse for the poor perfomance this year instead of Rodgers so it will keep the media attention off of him.

Rodgers makes some really questionable decisions. He throws a lot of dumb balls away when people are open, and took 2 sacks today that I thought were ridiculous. Also, if you're going to throw it away throw it over the LOS.

Leave it to Partial. Rodgers has a 95.5 passer rating in his first 5 starts behind a suspect OLine and somehow this is still his fault. You can nitpick and find things wrong with anyone if you want to see it. But Favre never made questionable decisions.

ANd Favre never got called for intenional grounding either.

[PackerTimer]

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

I think ur dead on and u will be ripped... but this has definetely someting to do with part of the problem this season but I do think Arod is gonna be a good QB in this league it just sucks that we might've thrown away a year where we coulda really done someting, hindsight is 20/20 though

The perfect response from the most clueless poster on this forum.

This coming from the dumbest fuck who knows nothing about football. (see it is so easy to call people names) Rodgers has done fine better than fine for a rookie which is what he really is but he holds the ball eons longer than Favre if you can't see that than you have no business watching a football game cause my 13 year old daughter can see that. That my fine feathered friend is why the line needed to be better this year and your butt buddy TT did not do his job, rookie QB's need good lines so they can see the field and go through their checkdowns it takes time, Favre could do it in his sleep and when Rodgers has had time to do it he has made some great throws. The O-line sucks,the D-line is tired and the LB's are pussies that about sums up our team that is the GM's fault , the penalties are a lack of disipline that is the coach's fault and why I would give both a D right now Rodgers would get B to B+ he ain't the biggest problem. The team would be better with Favre anyone with an ounce of sense knows that but Rodgers is the least of my worries right now.

You do know that you just repeated most of what I've been saying, right? I've repeatedly said that Rodger has been about as good as we could expect and about, i.e. not quite as good as Favre. Favre didn't make the line look that much better, they are just playing much, much worse than they were last year. Our offensive problems go a lot deeper than Aaron Rodgers, in fact he's probably one of our least concerns right now. The defensive problems have a lot to do wint injury. My problem lately has been with people who have been putting way too much blame on Rodgers for our current situation.

[Partial]

Yesterday, several drives stalled because of Rodgers bad decision making. For example, we have the intentional grounding call because he didn't throw it past the LOS.

That wasn't a bad play. He couldn't have gotten that ball to the LOS without getting picked with the number of defenders on that side of the field and it would have been hard to get it out of bounds because he was being tackled as he was trying to throw it out of bounds. He did what he could. Either he takes a sack or he gets the grounding, but that's no worse than taking the sack. Blame the horrendous whiff by Tauscher on that play.

There was another ball where driver was open for a big gain on the sideline where Rodgers was running to. Instead of taking a shot down the field to a wide open driver, he tossed it away. It's evident to me that he didn't see him, otherwise he had the easiest 25-30 yard gain of his young career.

Another play where we had a great vantage point. Driver was open initially, but the way Rodgers was running, it would have taken too long for him to turn his body and get that throw there in time.

I don't disagree with your overall point. He's made mistakes, but he's not even close to the reason that we are an average team. He made two obvious bad plays yesterday. He missed a wide open Jennings and threw the interception. The other stuff is the same stuff that all QBs will do during games. Of the 12 games I sat through with Favre as QB, there wasn't one where I thought he made every play that was available. He'd miss an open receiver, not see one, not throw it away, force the ball. That stuff happens. The biggest difference is that the team just isn't that great. Nobody is picking each other up. The defense had a shot to stop the Falcons twice and given Rodgers a chance to be the hero. They didn't. The special teams had a chance to step up after we tied it up. Instead they allowed a long kickoff return. McCarthy had a chance to open it up in the first half when we couldn't run, but didn't. Then, he could have stuck to the run in the second half when it was working, but didn't. Rodgers had some plays that he could have made. The punter did poorly. We had 3 points wiped off the board because of a penalty. That was huge.

That's a fair post. Yesterday is not a game where I thought the result would have been any different with Favre. Atlanta is a surprisingly good team with a very good running game and pass rush. The young QB has some moxy and seems to make plays.

[Partial]

Fortunately, that will be the excuse for the poor perfomance this year instead of Rodgers so it will keep the media attention off of him.

Rodgers makes some really questionable decisions. He throws a lot of dumb balls away when people are open, and took 2 sacks today that I thought were ridiculous. Also, if you're going to throw it away throw it over the LOS.

Leave it to Partial. Rodgers has a 95.5 passer rating in his first 5 starts behind a suspect OLine and somehow this is still his fault. You can nitpick and find things wrong with anyone if you want to see it. But Favre never made questionable decisions.

ANd Favre never got called for intenional grounding either.

Dude, quit trolling. I made a completely fair and objective post about that. Hell, I even criticized Favre, but you completely disregard that just to pad your post count and make yourself feel better with a sarcastic statement. That's bush league, guy.

[cpk1994]

Fortunately, that will be the excuse for the poor perfomance this year instead of Rodgers so it will keep the media attention off of him.

Rodgers makes some really questionable decisions. He throws a lot of dumb balls away when people are open, and took 2 sacks today that I thought were ridiculous. Also, if you're going to throw it away throw it over the LOS.

Leave it to Partial. Rodgers has a 95.5 passer rating in his first 5 starts behind a suspect OLine and somehow this is still his fault. You can nitpick and find things wrong with anyone if you want to see it. But Favre never made questionable decisions.

And Favre never got called for intenional grounding either.

Dude, quit trolling. I made a completely fair and objective post about that. Hell, I even criticized Favre, but you completely disregard that just to pad your post count and make yourself feel better with a sarcastic statement. That's bush league, guy.

1. I don't give a damn about my post count, so you fail there.

2, all I did was agree with Fred., so you fail there.

3, I don't post on this forum to make myself feel better, especially when their are better things to do that can make me feel better.

I guess what I am saying is that you really don't know me.

[ZachMN]

My feeling is 13-3 wasn't indicative of what this team really was which was closer to 10-6 or 9-7. Some of you will no doubt say that was all Favre but they won a lot of close games last year and for what its worth we are still young and are having a slump. After 16 games we will see where we stand.

So to put it another way I think the expectations were way to high from over acheiving last year.

[bobblehead]

Re: Clue

I'll be ripped for bringing up Favre. But maybe he made the o-line look better than they were last year. He could pre snap read the blitz coming better than A-rod and got the ball out quicker.

I think A-Rod is playing fine for a first year qb. But if we don't make the playoffs their should be torches and pitch forks at TT office for not bringing in a pro bowl QB from a 13-3 team back.

Why? Aaron Rodgers has performed well. If he keeps playing the way he has, we'll have replaced one pro bowl qb with another. He's probably done about as well as Favre would be doing right now. Was our pro-bowl qb going to play on the defensive line also? Some you people don't have a fucking clue.

The pot calling the kettle black. You have not clues but FACTS looking you right in the face. Favre made the line look better because he sensed back-side pressure. He knew when to slip slide and glide. This is the same damn line but yet the sacks are up. Did you pay ANY attention yesterday? The Falcon's 3 man rush gave us problems which is freakin unbelievable. I don't know about your world but in mine 3 beating 5 is UNACCEPTABLE!

This is no criticism of Rodgers, but to say he's playing as well as Favre would be if he were still here is just plain DUMB and the FACTS (not your opinion) prove it! Yes, in time Rodgers will gain the needed experience and may very well be a good QB. However, right now he holds the ball to long and does not sense back side pressure very well.

It's the same shit around here, nothing but excuses that don't support the facts. We're 2-3 and our sacks are up and run game is in-consistent. Rodgers is getting beaten like a pinada yet the same guys wanna tell us how our line is improving.

Um, for those of you who don't know it, we were beaten at HOME by a team many considered to be bottom feeders in the NFL. A team who by all accounts and FACTS has been horrible on the road. A team with a rookie QB who was'nt even TOUCHED all day. Yesterday was a freakin DISGRACE.

Now the same guys who ripped Sherman when the injury bug decimated his team are making excuses for Thompson. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Wake up and smell the coffee! No depth and we are just about the weakest team in the NFL on the interior of both our lines. Newsflash for the clowns- the middle is where most games are won or lost.............

Anyone with eyes can see that for some reason clifton isn't the same player he has been. come on, you really think favre made them look THAT good?

[sheepshead]

My feeling is 13-3 wasn't indicative of what this team really was which was closer to 10-6 or 9-7. Some of you will no doubt say that was all Favre but they won a lot of close games last year and for what its worth we are still young and are having a slump. After 16 games we will see where we stand.

So to put it another way I think the expectations were way to high from over acheiving last year.

This is really a puzzling post. How can a 13-3 team be closer to 9-7? What sort of twisted logic is this?