Were we all fooled?

[Bossman641]

some losses? ha.....

Yes. Some losses. I'm not sure what makes that humorous to you.

just the word some... we will have more than some the way this team is built

How is this team built, Mr. Observant? You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. As I quite clearly laid out in my previous post, it's not just the starters that are injured. Thier backups are injured too. The problem isn't a lack of depth, it's that our depth has been hammered with injury along with the starters. Plan C isn't going to look like Plan A.

By the way, I'm still waiting on you to enlighten all of us on how a competent GM like yourself would have handled this situation.

Lemme give you his response

"Favre favre favre....TT sucks....Favre favre favre.....TT sucks"

Does that cover it for you?

Pete doesn't care that the team has been decimated by injury. That never would have happened with Favre around. Favre would have placed his hands on the wounded's body parts and they would become healthy again.

[MOBB DEEP]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

The biggest problem on the O-Line this year has been Chad Clifton. Save for the first game, where he handled Jared Allen very well, Cliffy has been the weakest link on that line. Are you going to blame TT for that one too?

I got an idea. How about instead of blaming TT for lack of execution, we blame the PLAYERS for not executing.

conversely, when they execute well lets give the PLAYERS their due (e.g., 13-3); tt has never played a down...

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: Clue

The pot calling the kettle black. You have not clues but FACTS looking you right in the face. Favre made the line look better because he sensed back-side pressure. He knew when to slip slide and glide. This is the same damn line but yet the sacks are up. Did you pay ANY attention yesterday? The Falcon's 3 man rush gave us problems which is freakin unbelievable. I don't know about your world but in mine 3 beating 5 is UNACCEPTABLE!

This is no criticism of Rodgers, but to say he's playing as well as Favre would be if he were still here is just plain DUMB and the FACTS (not your opinion) prove it! Yes, in time Rodgers will gain the needed experience and may very well be a good QB. However, right now he holds the ball to long and does not sense back side pressure very well.

It's the same shit around here, nothing but excuses that don't support the facts. We're 2-3 and our sacks are up and run game is in-consistent. Rodgers is getting beaten like a pinada yet the same guys wanna tell us how our line is improving.

Um, for those of you who don't know it, we were beaten at HOME by a team many considered to be bottom feeders in the NFL. A team who by all accounts and FACTS has been horrible on the road. A team with a rookie QB who was'nt even TOUCHED all day. Yesterday was a freakin DISGRACE.

Now the same guys who ripped Sherman when the injury bug decimated his team are making excuses for Thompson. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Wake up and smell the coffee! No depth and we are just about the weakest team in the NFL on the interior of both our lines. Newsflash for the clowns- the middle is where most games are won or lost.............

FACTS! You have FACTS?!?! You will have to excuse the rest of us who don't have access to parallel universes and cannot watch a game in which Favre was QBing the Packers last weekend. Therefore we cannont judge with 'FACTS' how each QB performs under the same exact circumstances.

Aren't the Falcons, by the way, the same team to destroyed Favre's team at home in a playoff game a few years ago? Despite being heavy underdogs and the Packers had never loss a playoff game at home? And the Falcons whipped the Packers 27-7? Are these facts? Does this mean that AR (who scored 24 pts) is 3.43x better than Favre?

atl playoff loss is all about VICK DA GREAT'S coming out party. it was inevitable...brett/team gets a pass on that one

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I noticed during the game (and Bedard mentioned the same thing in his chat) that the line played as well if not better with Clifton out. . . may make for some interesting discussion going forward.

I would like to see them try Colledge / Barbre / Spitz / Sitton / Tauscher. Not sure how Colledge would hold up, but it would be interesting.

o-lines are funny. sometimes it's just a chemistry thing. the dallas o-line is a good example. nearly to the man they're a bunch of rejects from other teams that have jelled.

This is patently false.

Flozell was drafted by them.

Davis wasn't succesful at tackly, but fairly good at guard with the Cards, but they didn't want to pay him. He was hardly a reject of the Cards.

Gurode was drafted by them.

Proctor was drafted by them. Kosier was a 7th rounder that played for 3 years for the Niners.

Colombo was injury plagued with the bears. He is healthy now and plays like a high pick.

[Gunakor]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

The biggest problem on the O-Line this year has been Chad Clifton. Save for the first game, where he handled Jared Allen very well, Cliffy has been the weakest link on that line. Are you going to blame TT for that one too?

I got an idea. How about instead of blaming TT for lack of execution, we blame the PLAYERS for not executing.

conversely, when they execute well lets give the PLAYERS their due (e.g., 13-3); tt has never played a down...

LIES!!!

TT played LB for the Houston Oilers from '75-'84. He wasn't a starter, only started 8 games over that time, but he played in 146 games over that timespan. I don't have a number for exactly how many downs he's played, but over 146 games I'm sure he's seen one or two.


I agree that when the players perform well they should get credit for it. I don't know where this came from, however, because I don't recall anyone at all denying players credit for going 13-3 last year or for thier 2 wins this year.

I give TT credit for putting together a helluva roster, which unfortunately has been decimated by injury thus far in the season. I give MM credit for putting together a gameplan that allows us an opportunity to win. The players get credit for executing that gameplan on gameday. I give blame the same way. That said, here's how I see it...

TT) He's put together a good roster that is just a few pieces away from SB contention. Same roster as last year, save one sure HOF QB that has been replaced by one potential PB QB. QB is not the problem, injuries are. Can't blame TT for injuries, so can't blame TT.

MM) He's put together gameplans that have kept us in games. The 2 games we lost were both very close and could have been swayed in our favor just by playing smart and not committing penalties. His playcalling has been questionable at times, but we are never really out of a game. I give partial blame to MM, but there's only so much even he can do.

I give the lions share of the blame to the players. Blame for lack of execution. Blame for losing focus and committing stupid penalties. WR's and RB's get blame for dropped passes, LB's and DB's get blame for missed tackles. Basically, our play has been SLOPPY. The onus is on the PLAYERS to get better. They are plenty talented, but they need to focus on the fundamentals like wrapping up to make a tackle or looking the ball into thier hands when making a catch. Be mentally focused so they aren't called for stupid penalties every other play. If they do that we'll be just fine.

[The Gunshooter]

Don't let me forget to mention the great draft TT had, namely his 3 second round busts.

That's officially the earliest I've ever heard a draft pick called a bust.

5 games? Seriously?

Maybe I was a little severe because I would expect at least one of them to start but they are scrubs who contribute little.

A rook starting on a 13-3 team is pretty rare if even unheard of.

You mean to say a rookie starting on a team that was 13-3 the year before is rare even though they are decimated by injury this year? I could cut Brohm right now and not miss a second of sleep over it. I am just saying everything had to fall just exactly wrong to be 2-3 right now and the draft is part of it.

Decimated? I would have to look at your new assumption position by position. I was speaking in general. Harrel and Jenkins you mean? The only DE was Thompson in the 5th round I think??

We need a vet qb , no question. All three of these guys will not be a starting QB for the Packers, so cut one now.

Yes, decimated. In today's NFL two or three key guys on IR means disaster. They have a bunch of walking wounded too. If one of the three 2nd round picks can't make a significant contribution in this situation I don't believe TT's picks were of much use right now are they? TT could of drafted better.

My original point is the season was down the shitter before it started. Don't put it all on Rodgers/Farve.

[falco]

tt has never played a down...

:P

good bye credibility

[Gunakor]

Don't let me forget to mention the great draft TT had, namely his 3 second round busts.

That's officially the earliest I've ever heard a draft pick called a bust.

5 games? Seriously?

Maybe I was a little severe because I would expect at least one of them to start but they are scrubs who contribute little.

A rook starting on a 13-3 team is pretty rare if even unheard of.

You mean to say a rookie starting on a team that was 13-3 the year before is rare even though they are decimated by injury this year? I could cut Brohm right now and not miss a second of sleep over it. I am just saying everything had to fall just exactly wrong to be 2-3 right now and the draft is part of it.

Decimated? I would have to look at your new assumption position by position. I was speaking in general. Harrel and Jenkins you mean? The only DE was Thompson in the 5th round I think??

We need a vet qb , no question. All three of these guys will not be a starting QB for the Packers, so cut one now.

Yes, decimated. In today's NFL two or three key guys on IR means disaster. They have a bunch of walking wounded too. If one of the three 2nd round picks can't make a significant contribution in this situation I don't believe TT's picks were of much use right now are they? TT could of drafted better.

My original point is the season was down the shitter before it started. Don't put it all on Rodgers/Favre.

TT could have drafted better? I didn't know we were drafting starters. Gosh, I was under the impression that we had our 22 starters on the roster already. I mean, for the first time I thought TT addressed areas of need early like TE and CB and QB, but those areas were in need of a backup not a starter.

In any draft there may be a handful of players that are NFL ready. All the rest of them - including many who are drafted in the FIRST round - need NFL grooming before they can play at an NFL level. Many draft picks are based on future potential, not instant production.

Chryst, we were in no position to draft any blue-chippers out of college this year anyway. Nobody we drafted this year was expected to be heavy contributors right away. Nobody could predict the injury bug hitting us this hard, this early. If our newest class of draft picks don't produce any Pro Bowlers this year I'm not going to be disappointed and blame TT for drafting horribly. I, unlike some, never expected much from them this year to begin with.

[The Shadow]

Re: Clue

Favre is better than Rodgers... ur clueless if u think otherwise... but that was NOT WHAT MY POST WAS ABOUT PEOPLE!!... IT FUCKING HAD ZERO TO DO WITH WHY TT/MM ARE FUCKING UP... GET THAT THRU UR FUCKING HEADS....

First - I wasn't responding you you
Second - All your posts are about the same thing - we all get it. You hate TT
Third - You're living in the past, If you even consider the future you are very short sighted.

Amen.

[Pugger]

Yes, injuries have hurt this team. Unfortunately there isn't much TT can do now. Only street guys are available to replace guys going down like the fella TT signed who played for the Jags last year.

So far TT has looked like a duffas for drafting Harrell where he did. That guy can't stay healthy. Lord knows if we'll ever know if he can play for any length of time. Williams didn't deserve starter pay but we miss the depth he gave us on the D line big time. TT gambled but lost when Jenkins went down. The tackling has been atrocious in all phases of this defense.

The drop off in Cliffy's play recently is disturbing to say the least. Is this the same guy who kept Allen away from Rodgers in the first game?? Is he hurt? Tauscher is not playing very well right now either. It isn't helping to have this revolving door on the O line either. It wouldn't hurt if our TE's could learn to block...and Rodgers doesn't recognize defenses as quickly as a 17 yr veteran so the guys have to hold their blocks a little longer. I think with more games under his belt Aaron will get rid of the ball sooner and will learn to feel the pressure better. But these things only come with playing and experience. I was pleased to see some spark in Grant and I hope it is a harbinger of more to come.

[Dabaddestbear]

IN all fairness the O-line is not that bad. Yes they have penalties, but that can improve.

I think were the Packers have been screwed by their GM is by not taking into realization how important a true leader means to a team game. Favre was hated by us Bear fans, but he even used to get you guys D hype during games. They all fed off his energy.

Secondly, the Packers running game is exactly what a lot of teams thought they were. No Brett means you can concentrate on the run more. Shoot the gaps, watch Rodgers run to his right side(99% of the time whenever he feels even a little pressure) and sit in a zone.

Third, the defense cannot stop a balanced attack. If you are a running team yes, they will stack the box. But if you have an adequate passing attack, they are doomed.

[bobblehead]

IN all fairness the O-line is not that bad. Yes they have penalties, but that can improve.

I think were the Packers have been screwed by their GM is by not taking into realization how important a true leader means to a team game. Favre was hated by us Bear fans, but he even used to get you guys D hype during games. They all fed off his energy.

Secondly, the Packers running game is exactly what a lot of teams thought they were. No Brett means you can concentrate on the run more. Shoot the gaps, watch Rodgers run to his right side(99% of the time whenever he feels even a little pressure) and sit in a zone.

Third, the defense cannot stop a balanced attack. If you are a running team yes, they will stack the box. But if you have an adequate passing attack, they are doomed.

How could you fricking hate a guy who throws like 2 TD's to uhrlacher a year??

[Dabaddestbear]

IN all fairness the O-line is not that bad. Yes they have penalties, but that can improve.

I think were the Packers have been screwed by their GM is by not taking into realization how important a true leader means to a team game. Favre was hated by us Bear fans, but he even used to get you guys D hype during games. They all fed off his energy.

Secondly, the Packers running game is exactly what a lot of teams thought they were. No Brett means you can concentrate on the run more. Shoot the gaps, watch Rodgers run to his right side(99% of the time whenever he feels even a little pressure) and sit in a zone.

Third, the defense cannot stop a balanced attack. If you are a running team yes, they will stack the box. But if you have an adequate passing attack, they are doomed.

How could you fricking hate a guy who throws like 2 TD's to uhrlacher a year??

Hey, because in the years prior he would find a way to kick our ass..lol.

[BEARMAN]

Fool me once, shame on me, ... Fool me twice, three times, five times, ... Shame on the pack !

[Fred's Slacks]

IN all fairness the O-line is not that bad.

How are they not that bad? Most holding penalties in the leauge, no running lanes and insufficient pass protection. What is it that they are good at? Even when they produced in week 1 they still had a ton of penalties. Dude, this line has not played well.