Were we all fooled?

[Zool]

(sniffle)

[Zool]

Pete and Brett on vaca together. Shocking photos seen here

[Pacopete4]

Pete and Brett on vaca together. Shocking photos seen here

haha I wish I looked that good in a thong


and no, I'm not cryin... just sick of people bringing Brett up when I was the one that said its not about Brett.... they dont have an argument for TT cuz they know he fuckin blew it with the Oline.. thats all

[Bossman641]

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

The credit crisis has something to do with Favre. As does Palin's bastard grandchild, FAvre had a hand in that one too.

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if u can show me in my post where I mentioned Favre being the problem, be my guest... or u could look at my original point to TT didnt do his job in getting a competent Oline in here and he's had 4 season to do so... if u wanna be a little bitch, cocksucker whore of TT and think he's done a good job assembling us a line than so be it... but in my eyes.. he hasnt done his job

The young OL are in their 3rd year now. I think they (Spitz and Colledge) are doing a decent job this year. It'd help if their was any consistency there, but they've definitely improved from last year.

Did you foresee Clifton playing like shit this year Paco? If so, you may have been the only one. The tackles were supposed to be the rocks of the line, that hasn't been the case at all. If we had been able to pair last year's Clifton, Wells, and Tauscher with this year's Colledge and Spitz I think the line would be more than adequate. Instead Clifton and Tauscher have played well below their normal level and Wells has been slow in getting into form following his injury. That's not exactly what the plan for the year was.

[Pacopete4]

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

The credit crisis has something to do with Favre. As does Palin's bastard grandchild, FAvre had a hand in that one too.

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if u can show me in my post where I mentioned Favre being the problem, be my guest... or u could look at my original point to TT didnt do his job in getting a competent Oline in here and he's had 4 season to do so... if u wanna be a little bitch, cocksucker whore of TT and think he's done a good job assembling us a line than so be it... but in my eyes.. he hasnt done his job

The young OL are in their 3rd year now. I think they (Spitz and Colledge) are doing a decent job this year. It'd help if their was any consistency there, but they've definitely improved from last year.

Did you foresee Clifton playing like shit this year Paco? If so, you may have been the only one. The tackles were supposed to be the rocks of the line, that hasn't been the case at all. If we had been able to pair last year's Clifton, Wells, and Tauscher with this year's Colledge and Spitz I think the line would be more than adequate. Instead Clifton and Tauscher have played well below their normal level and Wells has been slow in getting into form following his injury. That's not exactly what the plan for the year was.

im not paid to... TT is and he failed miserably.. sorry but he did and to dispute that is crazy talk

[Bossman641]

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

The credit crisis has something to do with Favre. As does Palin's bastard grandchild, FAvre had a hand in that one too.

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if u can show me in my post where I mentioned Favre being the problem, be my guest... or u could look at my original point to TT didnt do his job in getting a competent Oline in here and he's had 4 season to do so... if u wanna be a little bitch, cocksucker whore of TT and think he's done a good job assembling us a line than so be it... but in my eyes.. he hasnt done his job

The young OL are in their 3rd year now. I think they (Spitz and Colledge) are doing a decent job this year. It'd help if their was any consistency there, but they've definitely improved from last year.

Did you foresee Clifton playing like shit this year Paco? If so, you may have been the only one. The tackles were supposed to be the rocks of the line, that hasn't been the case at all. If we had been able to pair last year's Clifton, Wells, and Tauscher with this year's Colledge and Spitz I think the line would be more than adequate. Instead Clifton and Tauscher have played well below their normal level and Wells has been slow in getting into form following his injury. That's not exactly what the plan for the year was.

im not paid to... TT is and he failed miserably.. sorry but he did and to dispute that is crazy talk

OK. Great analysis.

[Pacopete4]

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

The credit crisis has something to do with Favre. As does Palin's bastard grandchild, FAvre had a hand in that one too.

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if u can show me in my post where I mentioned Favre being the problem, be my guest... or u could look at my original point to TT didnt do his job in getting a competent Oline in here and he's had 4 season to do so... if u wanna be a little bitch, cocksucker whore of TT and think he's done a good job assembling us a line than so be it... but in my eyes.. he hasnt done his job

The young OL are in their 3rd year now. I think they (Spitz and Colledge) are doing a decent job this year. It'd help if their was any consistency there, but they've definitely improved from last year.

Did you foresee Clifton playing like shit this year Paco? If so, you may have been the only one. The tackles were supposed to be the rocks of the line, that hasn't been the case at all. If we had been able to pair last year's Clifton, Wells, and Tauscher with this year's Colledge and Spitz I think the line would be more than adequate. Instead Clifton and Tauscher have played well below their normal level and Wells has been slow in getting into form following his injury. That's not exactly what the plan for the year was.

im not paid to... TT is and he failed miserably.. sorry but he did and to dispute that is crazy talk

OK. Great analysis.

sorry bossman.. at work, but the proof is on the field... even with brett we saw a team that used max protect a ton.. and until the threw all over the place we couldn.t run... oline is trash, thanks TT

[Gunakor]

Blue-chippers? WTF? The 2008 draft doesn't do shit for this team right now and there should of been someone to emerge and start under the present situation. If you say that is expecting too much from the scouts and TT I say bullshit. Spin away.

I'll say it again. The 2008 draft was not SUPPOSED to help us this year. We had our starters, so we weren't looking for immediate contributors. Rookies are rarely heavy contributors anyway. They are rookies, and need to be groomed before they are NFL ready. Especially considering that our first pick was very late, I don't see where an immediate contributor could be found. Besides, I'm sure if it could have been predicted back in April that we'd be hit so hard by the injury bug at certain positions we'd have drafted differently. Maybe if we knew CJ would be lost for the year we'd have drafted a DE earlier, or had we known that we'd lose 2 safeties early we'd have taken a safety. But we didn't have the benefit of hindsight on draft day, and nobody could have predicted these injuries occuring. You can't blame this one on the draft.

[cheesner]

sorry bossman.. at work, but the proof is on the field... even with brett we saw a team that used max protect a ton.. and until the threw all over the place we couldn.t run... oline is trash, thanks TT

Your problem, pete, is your demands of a GM are just outrageous. Apparently you are expecting the Packer roster to be comprised entirely of pro-bowl players 2 deep at all positions. Very few teams can handle the loss of a couple of starters. Look at NE. They look quite ordinary after loosing a single superstar. Does that mean that NE managment are a bunch of boneheads and should be fired? Like it or not, TT has built an impressive team in a short amount of time and the Packers are lucky to have him. If it weren't for the injuries, they were looking like one of the teams to beat in the NFL.

And don't tell me it comes down to a TT mistake by not taking back Favre. AR is playing fantastic football right now and the Packers troubles are not coming from there.

[Bossman641]

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

The credit crisis has something to do with Favre. As does Palin's bastard grandchild, FAvre had a hand in that one too.

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if u can show me in my post where I mentioned Favre being the problem, be my guest... or u could look at my original point to TT didnt do his job in getting a competent Oline in here and he's had 4 season to do so... if u wanna be a little bitch, cocksucker whore of TT and think he's done a good job assembling us a line than so be it... but in my eyes.. he hasnt done his job

The young OL are in their 3rd year now. I think they (Spitz and Colledge) are doing a decent job this year. It'd help if their was any consistency there, but they've definitely improved from last year.

Did you foresee Clifton playing like shit this year Paco? If so, you may have been the only one. The tackles were supposed to be the rocks of the line, that hasn't been the case at all. If we had been able to pair last year's Clifton, Wells, and Tauscher with this year's Colledge and Spitz I think the line would be more than adequate. Instead Clifton and Tauscher have played well below their normal level and Wells has been slow in getting into form following his injury. That's not exactly what the plan for the year was.

im not paid to... TT is and he failed miserably.. sorry but he did and to dispute that is crazy talk

OK. Great analysis.

sorry bossman.. at work, but the proof is on the field... even with brett we saw a team that used max protect a ton.. and until the threw all over the place we couldn.t run... oline is trash, thanks TT

Your argument holds no water.

Favre through 5 games in 2007: 141/210 (67.1%) for 1,527 yards (7.3) with 9 touchdowns, 4 interceptions for a 94.7 passer rating****Rodgers through 5 games in 2008: 103/163 (63.2%) for 1,270 yards (7.8) with 9 touchdowns, 4 interceptions for a 95.4 passer rating.

Packers rushing game through 5 games this year - 95.6 yards/game and 3 rushing TD

Packer rushing game through 5 games last year - 67.6 yards/game and 4 rushing TD

Packer D this year - 25.6 points/game

Packer D last year - 18.6 points/game

The Packers weren't lighting it up last year due to Favre. He wasn't the reason for the 4-1 start. It was the defense.

The defense is giving up an extra TD a game this year. That's why we are 2-3. Not cause Rodgers sucks, not cause the offense isn't scoring or moving the ball, it's cause the defense. Why's that? Maybe because we've been ravaged by injuries. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[retailguy]

Packers rushing game through 5 games this year - 95.6 yards/game and 3 rushing TD

Packer rushing game through 5 games last year - 67.6 yards/game and 4 rushing TD

Packer D this year - 25.6 points/game

Packer D last year - 18.6 points/game

The Packers weren't lighting it up last year due to Favre. He wasn't the reason for the 4-1 start. It was the defense.

The defense is giving up an extra TD a game this year. That's why we are 2-3. Not cause Rodgers sucks, not cause the offense isn't scoring or moving the ball, it's cause the defense. Why's that? Maybe because we've been ravaged by injuries. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Ok.... I have been trying to stay out of this, but I can't any longer.

Your statistical analysis doesn't work. 1st off, we played different teams last year. 2nd, the offense overall stayed on the field longer leaving less minutes for the defense to get winded. 3rd, Favre had more completions & yards last year.

Check the # of plays in the 1st five games from last year to this year... Both offense and defense. Your analysis is WOEFULLY incomplete. This offensive line is just that - OFFENSIVE.

Ted is to blame for that. That's a way different thing than blaming him for getting rid of Favre. We should have a "world class" OL after 4 seasons with the number of ppl that have run through here... We don't. You can say they are playing better, I DISAGREE. They're worse. Why? I think Favre made them look better because of his experience. Rodgers can't do that, and shouldn't be expected to do that. Rodgers needs to rely on his line, AND HE CANNOT. Have you watched this past game? Watch his feet.... He looks like Jeff Garcia during his last season in San Francisco. HAPPY FEET - and I don't blame the guy. He's getting killed back there.

Finally, I GIVE ZERO CREDIT FOR INJURIES. All the Sherman haters gave ZERO CREDIT FOR INJURIES. Gotta play with what you've got, that's the way it works.... or, at least that's what I've been told for the past FIVE seasons.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Well then based on that it was different teams and different scenarios, we can't compare the two QBs and thus it is fruitless to claim who would have done better in either scenario.

[Gunakor]

Ok.... I have been trying to stay out of this, but I can't any longer.

Your statistical analysis doesn't work. 1st off, we played different teams last year. 2nd, the offense overall stayed on the field longer leaving less minutes for the defense to get winded. 3rd, Favre had more completions & yards last year.

Check the # of plays in the 1st five games from last year to this year... Both offense and defense. Your analysis is WOEFULLY incomplete. This offensive line is just that - OFFENSIVE.

Ted is to blame for that. That's a way different thing than blaming him for getting rid of Favre. We should have a "world class" OL after 4 seasons with the number of ppl that have run through here... We don't. You can say they are playing better, I DISAGREE. They're worse. Why? I think Favre made them look better because of his experience. Rodgers can't do that, and shouldn't be expected to do that. Rodgers needs to rely on his line, AND HE CANNOT. Have you watched this past game? Watch his feet.... He looks like Jeff Garcia during his last season in San Francisco. HAPPY FEET - and I don't blame the guy. He's getting killed back there.

Finally, I GIVE ZERO CREDIT FOR INJURIES. All the Sherman haters gave ZERO CREDIT FOR INJURIES. Gotta play with what you've got, that's the way it works.... or, at least that's what I've been told for the past FIVE seasons.

The OL woes do not explain the outrageous difference in ppg. allowed by our defense compared to last season. True enough you gotta play with what you have, and that's what we are doing. But along with playing with what you have comes the consequences that arise from injuries. Missing 3 starters on the defense, on top of another 2 starters playing through significant injury, and missing primary backups due to injury as well, and still some people expect the production level to remain the same? Crazy talk...

[retailguy]

Well then based on that it was different teams and different scenarios, we can't compare the two QBs and thus it is fruitless to claim who would have done better in either scenario.

The QB comparisons AREN'T the point. The point is that Rodgers is not able to trust his line. As a result we've got a lot of 3 and outs and the d is on the field longer, while injured. Recipe for a few losses, no?

[retailguy]

The OL woes do not explain the outrageous difference in ppg. allowed by our defense compared to last season.

I disagree, the additional minutes they've had to play injured HAVE increased the ppg total. This defense is meant to bend, not break. Exhausted guys have given up points in the 4th quarter against both Dallas and Tampa. Also gave up points this week after the INT.

Would be interesting to look at points scored in the 4th qtr last yr vs. this year. bet that makes the point. I'll be very surprised if it's wrong.

True enough you gotta play with what you have, and that's what we are doing. But along with playing with what you have comes the consequences that arise from injuries. Missing 3 starters on the defense, on top of another 2 starters playing through significant injury, and missing primary backups due to injury as well, and still some people expect the production level to remain the same? Crazy talk...

That's what I said after the 2001 season. Remember the Atlanta playoff loss? Nope, sorry, not the way it works here. Karma's a bitch.

In all seriousness, if the OL could help keep the O on the field, maybe the result of these games would have been different. Right now, the D is getting limited help from the Offense which makes the situation look worse than it is.

Wells has been hurt, now cliffy is hurt, but otherwise the OL has been healthy, and crappy...