Here are some INTELLIGENT conversations on todays game

[Tarlam!]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

Jennings is kinda that guy. Rodgers was under attack alot of the game and they kept their cover 2 intact. I think Jennings a main focus of the Vikings defense. The due can really play though.

Nobody on the field has an 8th of the talent of AD though. He's unreal.

That would be AP, and, I agree. I soooooooo wish he were a Packer or any non NFCN player.

[Zool]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

Jennings is kinda that guy. Rodgers was under attack alot of the game and they kept their cover 2 intact. I think Jennings a main focus of the Vikings defense. The due can really play though.

Nobody on the field has an 8th of the talent of AD though. He's unreal.

That would be AP, and, I agree. I soooooooo wish he were a Packer or any non NFCN player.

Tar, his nickname is AD as in All Day.

[imscott72]

More like the 20 million dollar and some change question. Protecting an investment like that is crucial.

Maybe TT should have spent a "dime" or two.

See that's what I just don't understand about Thompson. I agree that FA's aren't the sole answer to every question like Jerry Jones thinks, but good grief, there were a couple linemen out there that could of helped us out and Thompson just sat on all that money. Now look at our situation. Trading Williams instead of paying the man looks like a incredibly foolish move now. Thompson's hate of free agency is killing this team in these areas.

[imscott72]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

We traded our wow guy for a 4th round conditional pick. You don't trade 'Wow' guys!!

What else were they suppose to do with him? He didn't want to play here even after given the opportunity to do so. Please stop blaming the Packers for Brett wanting out.

maybe cuz he was treated like trash?... hes done more for us than TT/MM will do combined and treated like trash? I'd wanna play elsewhere too...

Goes both ways Paco, Favre is no saint.

true, he's a jet and they're 6-3

Yeah they're 6-3, but it certainly isn't all because of Favre. The Jets have a fantastic front 7, a great offensive line, and an above average RB in Jones. Favre didn't do much of anything yesterday, yet they put almost 50 on the Rams. The Jets are a solid team all around, and Favre was an addition that supplmented what they already had.

[cpk1994]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

We traded our wow guy for a 4th round conditional pick. You don't trade 'Wow' guys!!

What else were they suppose to do with him? He didn't want to play here even after given the opportunity to do so. Please stop blaming the Packers for Brett wanting out.

maybe cuz he was treated like trash?... hes done more for us than TT/MM will do combined and treated like trash? I'd wanna play elsewhere too...

Goes both ways Paco, Favre is no saint.

true, he's a jet and they're 6-3

Yeah they're 6-3, but it certainly isn't all because of Favre. The Jets have a fantastic front 7, a great offensive line, and an above average RB in Jones. Favre didn't do much of anything yesterday, yet they put almost 50 on the Rams. The Jets are a solid team all around, and Favre was an addition that supplmented what they already had.

You should also add they have had one of the easiest schedules in the legaue. They have played KC, Stl, and Oak, the 3 worst teams in the NFL.

[LEWCWA]

This is what I saw yesterday. I saw a team not ready to play. I saw several questionable calls by the refs, most of which went against GreenBay.
I saw a QB going through a learning curve. Through all the adversity I saw a team with a chance to win at the end. In the end, my blame is all for MM for his ultra conservative calls at the end. It was like he was setting up for a 50 yard fg!!!

[LEWCWA]

The D and ST got GB back in the game, but that caused the D to be on the field the whold 3rd quarter. The were worn down at the end.

[LEWCWA]

cover 2 with alot of pressure all day! Where were our TE's and RB's?

[Gunakor]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

We traded our wow guy for a 4th round conditional pick. You don't trade 'Wow' guys!!

What else were they suppose to do with him? He didn't want to play here even after given the opportunity to do so. Please stop blaming the Packers for Brett wanting out.

maybe cuz he was treated like trash?... hes done more for us than TT/MM will do combined and treated like trash? I'd wanna play elsewhere too...

Goes both ways Paco, Favre is no saint.

true, he's a jet and they're 6-3

You seem like the type that would watch every Jets game, so answer this question honestly based on what you have seen...

WHY are the Jets 6-3?

And if you say it's because they now have Brett Favre rather than Chad Pennington without even mentioning their revamped OL or their vastly improved defense, you lose all credibility. Keep in mind how many games Favre would have COST the Jets if it weren't for their defense and running game. Think about how many games Favre would have COST the Packers last season if it weren't for OUR defense and special teams. Point being, Favre does not change the fortunes of an entire franchise all by himself. The Jets made A LOT of changes to thier roster during the offseason, Favre was just one of them.

This is not a slight against Favre, just an illustration of the bigger picture that you and others refuse to see. It is an objective look at what is, rather than a subjective view of what you'd like.

Brett is a great QB, but as I said, he's no Saint. And the Jets being 6-3 has NOTHING to do with the way TT treated Brett or the way Brett treated TT. So your reply to my post makes no sense whatsoever. I can't believe I wasted 3 minutes of my time responding to it...

[LEWCWA]

All in all, Crosby has to step up and make that fg. No excuse for missing it in a dome......

[LEWCWA]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

We traded our wow guy for a 4th round conditional pick. You don't trade 'Wow' guys!!

What else were they suppose to do with him? He didn't want to play here even after given the opportunity to do so. Please stop blaming the Packers for Brett wanting out.

maybe cuz he was treated like trash?... hes done more for us than TT/MM will do combined and treated like trash? I'd wanna play elsewhere too...

Goes both ways Paco, Favre is no saint.

true, he's a jet and they're 6-3

You seem like the type that would watch every Jets game, so answer this question honestly based on what you have seen...

WHY are the Jets 6-3?

And if you say it's because they now have Brett Favre rather than Chad Pennington without even mentioning their revamped OL or their vastly improved defense, you lose all credibility. Keep in mind how many games Favre would have COST the Jets if it weren't for their defense and running game. Think about how many games Favre would have COST the Packers last season if it weren't for OUR defense and special teams. Point being, Favre does not change the fortunes of an entire franchise all by himself. The Jets made A LOT of changes to thier roster during the offseason, Favre was just one of them.

This is not a slight against Favre, just an illustration of the bigger picture that you and others refuse to see. It is an objective look at what is, rather than a subjective view of what you'd like.

Brett is a great QB, but as I said, he's no Saint. And the Jets being 6-3 has NOTHING to do with the way TT treated Brett or the way Brett treated TT. So your reply to my post makes no sense whatsoever. I can't believe I wasted 3 minutes of my time responding to it...

Yes you spend plenty of time playing down BF's effect on the Jets. I'm sure to a man, the Jets will rave about Brett's pressence on that team and give him alot of credit for their resurgence. How much has he helped Jones running by being on the field? You can't play the same type of D against him as you can against Pennington. Don't downplay Brett. His team is doing well. Its that simple!

[Gunakor]

Yes you spend plenty of time playing down BF's effect on the Jets. I'm sure to a man, the Jets will rave about Brett's pressence on that team and give him alot of credit for their resurgence. How much has he helped Jones running by being on the field? You can't play the same type of D against him as you can against Pennington. Don't downplay Brett. His team is doing well. Its that simple!

I spend time playing UP the rest of the team. Don't you get it? Yes, Brett is an upgrade from Pennington. But that is but one piece in the newly put together puzzle in New York. They have a revamped OL that has every bit as much to do with Jones' success as Brett Favre under center. They have a much better defense - night and day compared to last year - which is not really affected by having Favre under center. And BOTH of those pieces of that puzzle have every bit as much to do with their success this year as does Favre. Even moreso IMO, because last year they had a QB who did not turn the ball over as much, thus putting additional pressure on the defense and RB and special teams to respond to those mistakes.

This isn't about downplaying Favre. It's agruing that Favre is NOT the reason the Jets are having success. If TT and MM had Favre come back to start for the Green Bay Packers this year and Pennington were still a Jet, the Packers might be better than 4-5 but the Jets wouldn't be that much worse than 6-3. THAT is what I'm getting at.

P.S. I rarely post in this thread, so your assertion that I spend all of my time worrying about Favre is patently false. I'm a Packer fan. I spend most of my time on Packer threads, and pop in here once and a while to read what people are saying. Funny, every time I come in here it's the same 3 people that continue to argue that Favre could walk on water if he had to. He's the greatest thing since sliced bread. He could win a game 1 vs. 11 if asked. Newsflash - he is JUST a QB. An exceptional QB at that, but nothing more. Keep things in perspective and you won't hear me bitching about your posts. Sound fair?

[Pacopete4]

Yes you spend plenty of time playing down BF's effect on the Jets. I'm sure to a man, the Jets will rave about Brett's pressence on that team and give him alot of credit for their resurgence. How much has he helped Jones running by being on the field? You can't play the same type of D against him as you can against Pennington. Don't downplay Brett. His team is doing well. Its that simple!

I spend time playing UP the rest of the team. Don't you get it? Yes, Brett is an upgrade from Pennington. But that is but one piece in the newly put together puzzle in New York. They have a revamped OL that has every bit as much to do with Jones' success as Brett Favre under center. They have a much better defense - night and day compared to last year - which is not really affected by having Favre under center. And BOTH of those pieces of that puzzle have every bit as much to do with their success this year as does Favre. Even moreso IMO, because last year they had a QB who did not turn the ball over as much, thus putting additional pressure on the defense and RB and special teams to respond to those mistakes.

This isn't about downplaying Favre. It's agruing that Favre is NOT the reason the Jets are having success. If TT and MM had Favre come back to start for the Green Bay Packers this year and Pennington were still a Jet, the Packers might be better than 4-5 but the Jets wouldn't be that much worse than 6-3. THAT is what I'm getting at.

P.S. I rarely post in this thread, so your assertion that I spend all of my time worrying about Favre is patently false. I'm a Packer fan. I spend most of my time on Packer threads, and pop in here once and a while to read what people are saying. Funny, every time I come in here it's the same 3 people that continue to argue that Favre could walk on water if he had to. He's the greatest thing since sliced bread. He could win a game 1 vs. 11 if asked. Newsflash - he is JUST a QB. An exceptional QB at that, but nothing more. Keep things in perspective and you won't hear me bitching about your posts. Sound fair?

Ive heard no one say that the sole reason the jets are 6-3 is because of Brett Favre.... but if u dont think he is a key role in it, ur just ignorant... teams defend him differently whether or not u wanna believe it... they are 6-3 and just starting to hit their stride, LIKE GOOD TEAMS DO THIS TIME OF THE YEAR!... this is exactly what everyone didnt want was to see him go to a team and make the packers look like fools... well here it comes bitches... the jets are gonna do real well... reeeeeaaaal well and watching the packers will make a lot of us puke... it didnt have to be this way but it is and we will live with it in our history forever... J-E-T-S... BRETT! BRETT! BRETT!

[Gunakor]

Yes you spend plenty of time playing down BF's effect on the Jets. I'm sure to a man, the Jets will rave about Brett's pressence on that team and give him alot of credit for their resurgence. How much has he helped Jones running by being on the field? You can't play the same type of D against him as you can against Pennington. Don't downplay Brett. His team is doing well. Its that simple!

I spend time playing UP the rest of the team. Don't you get it? Yes, Brett is an upgrade from Pennington. But that is but one piece in the newly put together puzzle in New York. They have a revamped OL that has every bit as much to do with Jones' success as Brett Favre under center. They have a much better defense - night and day compared to last year - which is not really affected by having Favre under center. And BOTH of those pieces of that puzzle have every bit as much to do with their success this year as does Favre. Even moreso IMO, because last year they had a QB who did not turn the ball over as much, thus putting additional pressure on the defense and RB and special teams to respond to those mistakes.

This isn't about downplaying Favre. It's agruing that Favre is NOT the reason the Jets are having success. If TT and MM had Favre come back to start for the Green Bay Packers this year and Pennington were still a Jet, the Packers might be better than 4-5 but the Jets wouldn't be that much worse than 6-3. THAT is what I'm getting at.

P.S. I rarely post in this thread, so your assertion that I spend all of my time worrying about Favre is patently false. I'm a Packer fan. I spend most of my time on Packer threads, and pop in here once and a while to read what people are saying. Funny, every time I come in here it's the same 3 people that continue to argue that Favre could walk on water if he had to. He's the greatest thing since sliced bread. He could win a game 1 vs. 11 if asked. Newsflash - he is JUST a QB. An exceptional QB at that, but nothing more. Keep things in perspective and you won't hear me bitching about your posts. Sound fair?

Ive heard no one say that the sole reason the jets are 6-3 is because of Brett Favre.... but if u dont think he is a key role in it, ur just ignorant... teams defend him differently whether or not u wanna believe it... they are 6-3 and just starting to hit their stride, LIKE GOOD TEAMS DO THIS TIME OF THE YEAR!... this is exactly what everyone didnt want was to see him go to a team and make the packers look like fools... well here it comes bitches... the jets are gonna do real well... reeeeeaaaal well and watching the packers will make a lot of us puke... it didnt have to be this way but it is and we will live with it in our history forever... J-E-T-S... BRETT! BRETT! BRETT!

I've heard you say it - repeatedly. Yes he has played a role in it, but it is not a huge role or even a key role. Favre turns the ball over more than the guy he replaced at QB, which puts more pressure on the defense and special teams. The defense and special teams have come through.

You keep crying about how Rodgers hasn't "won" a game for the Packers this year, well name a game that Favre "won" for the Jets this year?

I won't hold my breath waiting for your answer...

[Pacopete4]

so his 6 td game doesnt count against the Cardinals?
Game winning pass to coles against KC in the last minute?
An long minute drive against Buffalo to seal the game with a FG?


those are just 3 I can think of.. my beef with Rodgers is/was/most likely always will be, is that he has had the ball in his hands several times now to make a drive to win/tie a game... and he hasnt done it... so far he's no winner to me