Can Packer Rats be saved?

[cpk1994]

It's the analysis I crave, and the ability to share a forum with fellow Packer fans. Living here in Detroit, I don't get to make that connection often. So Packerrats has been a boon for me.

However, I am like others tired of the bashing. For me, it's not even so much the pro/anti-Favre threads or the pro/anti-TT threads - it's the devolving into posters attacking each other like junior high schoolers. I think there are legitimate discussions to be had on both topics - and in fact I, who am a huge TT supporter, have been wondering lately if TT's seeming inability to put together a cohesive, effective offensive line will be the downfall of his tenure.

So I don't mind debating those topics. But let's debate the topics, and stop with the name calling.

As Rodney King so famously said, "Can't we all just get along?"

So what the hell is wrong with this offensive line? And why can't the defense stop the run?

Wow, you live amongst Lion fans? Then again, they are in no position to trash talk so I guess it can't be too bad.

[MOBB DEEP]

PR is just fine.

I don't understand how anyone could think there would NOT be Favre talk this season, being his first season not with the Packers. Even if he had stayed retired there would have been talk and comparisons....it's just what happens when a player like Favre hands off the torch to a new QB. I'd be surprised if you could find a Packer forum out there that's not experiencing the same thing. However, I do wish posters would be more respectful, and not slobber all over the situation, so to speak. (from either point of view)

qft

i wonder what will happen if brett has bad game on thursday. will people start threads about how great a decison tt and the gang made regarding lord favre.....? its not like the die-hard favre fans out-number the tt apologists.

i recall several posters coming into the brett/jet thread bashing him (personally i can take the ribbing/rubbing in face b/c favre's not my blood kin). but now that the packs struggling theyre no where to be found. i dont see anything wrong with banter; folks just shouldnt be rude, name call or take this place too seriously imo

its the only game on so i imagine more folk around here will be tuning in and hopefully cheering for our qb from jan 08

This is quite ironic of you. The only ones making thread or bumping old ones is you, Paco, and Gex. I haven't seen any Favre threads saying TT was right, True, the Favre bashers go into the Favre thread, but thats becuase that is what that thread is for, Brett talk. They actually keep it there, you and your two boys don't.

cp, i stated on brett/jet thread that since detractors were coming there and provoking us loyalists that i would begin to start favre threads at will (and i remember either harlan or bretszky sorta "ok'n" it)

remember, its not a RULE to keep all things favre in one thread but out of courtesy we would. whats to be expected when folk feel hoodwinked?

even still, i feel that the threads ive started have basically been harmless; but i culd be wrong and apologize if so. personally, i dont care who bashes favre (i laugh whether i agree or not). same at JSO which were truly the good ol days. folk would bicker there too remember but it was a overall jolly time imho. why so much angst here? i miss tank and others' tom foolery. even the racist-acting posters (wifey and i were laughn HARD at some of the racial slurs we heard while watchn mississippi burning last week - naacp = nig, apes, alligators, coons and possum) and moneyguy, etc

now the point u made about me and my two boys is a good one; we're a SMALL segment so i think we're being made scapegoats for folks' inner self being mad at tt. ok, thats kinda stupid and corny.

but, seriously, i dont want to be the cause of anyone's displeasure and WONT CREATE ANY MORE FAVRE THREADS! unless he makes it to afccg. i realize i dont post the most profound things but im not interested in all the details of some franchise im not affiliated with. i dont knock those who like the draft, fa, etc and actually learn alot readin u gals and guys' posts. we're all different so get in where u fit in....

but lighten up folks. the great joyce meyers and charles stanley preach about how the spirit/soul benefits GREATLY from laughter and maintaining a light heart

[Cheesehead Craig]

So what the hell is wrong with this offensive line? And why can't the defense stop the run?

To me, we brought in the ZBS under Jagodzinski who left after a year and we haven't had anyone who understood the system as well as he did and thus couldn't teach it properly or get someone who could see what OL could best run the system. MM is being too stubborn in keeping the system without the right teachers on board or any true idea on getting the correct players in who can run it.

As for the DL, I gotta think it's scheme/coaching. The DL and LBs don't swarm to the ball and they just seem to not attack as much as other teams do.

Just my opinions.

[MOBB DEEP]

So what the hell is wrong with this offensive line? And why can't the defense stop the run?

To me, we brought in the ZBS under Jagodzinski who left after a year and we haven't had anyone who understood the system as well as he did and thus couldn't teach it properly or get someone who could see what OL could best run the system. MM is being too stubborn in keeping the system without the right teachers on board or any true idea on getting the correct players in who can run it.

As for the DL, I gotta think it's scheme/coaching. The DL and LBs don't swarm to the ball and they just seem to not attack as much as other teams do.

Just my opinions.

WRONG THREAD

[Fritz]

Posters wiser than me have commented on the fact that the ZBS is complex and includes power blocking plays as well. Still, I am not a fan of the running plays employed, and it's one of the few things I miss of the Sherman tenure.

I was reminded of this on the Grant touchdown run in the Minny game. It looked like a throwback play - pitch it to the running back and watch him slice between defenders. I don't know if that's zone blocking or not zone blocking, but I do miss the kinds of running plays the Pack used to run - the one - what was it, U-71? - where an extra o-lineman was in the game as a tight end?

I don't advocate ditching the zone scheme mid-season, but I wonder if it'd be effective if you ditched it after the season. I can't imagine that the current group of o-linemen - who are supposedly drafted to "fit" the ZBS - could be much worse blocking the old ways.

[cpk1994]

PR is just fine.

I don't understand how anyone could think there would NOT be Favre talk this season, being his first season not with the Packers. Even if he had stayed retired there would have been talk and comparisons....it's just what happens when a player like Favre hands off the torch to a new QB. I'd be surprised if you could find a Packer forum out there that's not experiencing the same thing. However, I do wish posters would be more respectful, and not slobber all over the situation, so to speak. (from either point of view)

qft

i wonder what will happen if brett has bad game on thursday. will people start threads about how great a decison tt and the gang made regarding lord favre.....? its not like the die-hard favre fans out-number the tt apologists.

i recall several posters coming into the brett/jet thread bashing him (personally i can take the ribbing/rubbing in face b/c favre's not my blood kin). but now that the packs struggling theyre no where to be found. i dont see anything wrong with banter; folks just shouldnt be rude, name call or take this place too seriously imo

its the only game on so i imagine more folk around here will be tuning in and hopefully cheering for our qb from jan 08

This is quite ironic of you. The only ones making thread or bumping old ones is you, Paco, and Gex. I haven't seen any Favre threads saying TT was right, True, the Favre bashers go into the Favre thread, but thats becuase that is what that thread is for, Brett talk. They actually keep it there, you and your two boys don't.

cp, i stated on brett/jet thread that since detractors were coming there and provoking us loyalists that i would begin to start favre threads at will (and i remember either harlan or bretszky sorta "ok'n" it)

remember, its not a RULE to keep all things favre in one thread but out of courtesy we would. whats to be expected when folk feel hoodwinked?

even still, i feel that the threads ive started have basically been harmless; but i culd be wrong and apologize if so. personally, i dont care who bashes favre (i laugh whether i agree or not). same at JSO which were truly the good ol days. folk would bicker there too remember but it was a overall jolly time imho. why so much angst here? i miss tank and others' tom foolery. even the racist-acting posters (wifey and i were laughn HARD at some of the racial slurs we heard while watchn mississippi burning last week - naacp = nig, apes, alligators, coons and possum) and moneyguy, etc

now the point u made about me and my two boys is a good one; we're a SMALL segment so i think we're being made scapegoats for folks' inner self being mad at tt. ok, thats kinda stupid and corny.

but, seriously, i dont want to be the cause of anyone's displeasure and WONT CREATE ANY MORE FAVRE THREADS! unless he makes it to afccg. i realize i dont post the most profound things but im not interested in all the details of some franchise im not affiliated with. i dont knock those who like the draft, fa, etc and actually learn alot readin u gals and guys' posts. we're all different so get in where u fit in....

but lighten up folks. the great joyce meyers and charles stanley preach about how the spirit/soul benefits GREATLY from laughter and maintaining a light heart

You aren't really the main part of the problem. Paco and Gex are. But you have have started threads when you first agreed to keep it in the Favre thread and have bumped threads that really served no purpose. However, you do have a humor to you and are nowhere near as bad as Paco and Gex. I probably should have made that clearer instead of lumping you three together. I do want to have spirited discussion. but I do get riled into a frenzy by those two especially when one of them openly admits to being a troll. I have never had a problem with you and only have pointed out some of your absuridties. If I have seemed to be harsh towards you, I apologize. You are better than them.

[sharpe1027]

Posters wiser than me have commented on the fact that the ZBS is complex and includes power blocking plays as well. Still, I am not a fan of the running plays employed, and it's one of the few things I miss of the Sherman tenure.

I was reminded of this on the Grant touchdown run in the Minny game. It looked like a throwback play - pitch it to the running back and watch him slice between defenders. I don't know if that's zone blocking or not zone blocking, but I do miss the kinds of running plays the Pack used to run - the one - what was it, U-71? - where an extra o-lineman was in the game as a tight end?

I don't advocate ditching the zone scheme mid-season, but I wonder if it'd be effective if you ditched it after the season. I can't imagine that the current group of o-linemen - who are supposedly drafted to "fit" the ZBS - could be much worse blocking the old ways.

They've been running for over 4 yards a carry the past several games. It is the passing blocking that has gone south, nothing to do with the ZBS, IMO.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't think PackerRats can be saved, we're all doomed. It's the economy, stupid. People are all tense and worked up because they know the end is near.

[GBRulz]

This is quite ironic of you. The only ones making thread or bumping old ones is you, Paco, and Gex. I haven't seen any Favre threads saying TT was right, True, the Favre bashers go into the Favre thread, but thats becuase that is what that thread is for, Brett talk. They actually keep it there, you and your two boys don't.

Unfortunately, the thread didn't work out the way it was planned, but don't sit and call out a couple of people for posting outside of it when you and a few other Favre haters started your own Favre threads as well, (negative, of course) when it was to your benefit. Mostly, I'm referring to the whole Detroit game planning soap opera.

[GBRulz]

I don't think PackerRats can be saved, we're all doomed. It's the economy, stupid. People are all tense and worked up because they know the end is near.

Think the gov't will bail us out?

[Harlan Huckleby]

you go girl

[retailguy]

I don't think PackerRats can be saved, we're all doomed. It's the economy, stupid. People are all tense and worked up because they know the end is near.

Think the gov't will bail us out?

Madtown and I are wildly filling out forms to "tap into" a piece of the $700b bailout plan. Our status to be recognized as a bank is almost complete. We would have been approved a day or two ago, except American Express got their application in first.

Madtown - that guy.... He made me buy lunch again. <sigh> Now he's at the mall, picking out all the things he's going to buy with money.... Buy silver stock, right now. He's particularly infatuated with the big silver chains...

[Gunakor]

cp, i stated on brett/jet thread that since detractors were coming there and provoking us loyalists that i would begin to start favre threads at will (and i remember either harlan or bretszky sorta "ok'n" it)

remember, its not a RULE to keep all things favre in one thread but out of courtesy we would. whats to be expected when folk feel hoodwinked?

Wouldn't it just be easier to keep both praise AND criticism of Favre in the Favre thread? That meaning, all Favre debate goes on in there, and nothing from either side of the Favre issue come out in other threads? That way, people that would rather just stay away from the issue entirely can do so. You can't just expect a place to post your side without debate from the other. This is an internet forum, after all. I suggest that we keep EVERYTHING Favre related - both from the Favre supporters AND detractors - in one thread. Again, so that those people who would like to move on entirely don't have to read ANYTHING about Favre, either pro or con.

If your issue is that you don't have a place to post in support of Favre without debate or controversy, I feel bad for you. But grow some thicker skin already. That is what an internet forum is for - to debate. If people want to keep Favre related topics in the Favre thread, then they should ALL go there. Not just the pro-Favre comments, but ALL the Favre comments.

[cpk1994]

This is quite ironic of you. The only ones making thread or bumping old ones is you, Paco, and Gex. I haven't seen any Favre threads saying TT was right, True, the Favre bashers go into the Favre thread, but thats becuase that is what that thread is for, Brett talk. They actually keep it there, you and your two boys don't.

Unfortunately, the thread didn't work out the way it was planned, but don't sit and call out a couple of people for posting outside of it when you and a few other Favre haters started your own Favre threads as well, (negative, of course) when it was to your benefit. Mostly, I'm referring to the whole Detroit game planning soap opera.

I personally have never started a negative Favre thread. I rarely ever start threads to begin with unless I am linking an ESPN story. But a negative Favre thread? Never.

[SkinBasket]

I don't think PackerRats can be saved, we're all doomed. It's the economy, stupid. People are all tense and worked up because they know the end is near.

I'm going to cut off your big toes, then slowly hammer nails dipped in hooker discharge into your body until you expire. Finally, I'll relieve my tension all over your dead buttocks.