Official PACKERS vs. jags Gameday Thread

[PackerTimer]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

27.3 pts/game going into today's game which is 4th in the NFL. Defense easily in the bottom half.

Partial doesn't count in defensive touchdowns. Becuase you know the offense wouldn't have scored on any of those possessions. I don't know how he knows this but he does. He only cares about what the offense does. Which is fine but he also then ignores that our offense scored a whole point or two more last year than our offense is this year after you take away defense and special teams scores.

[RashanGary]

We're missing three of last years top 6 defensive lineman.

Corey Williams
Cullen Jenkins
KGB


Alone none of them are superstars but they all have redeeming qualities that helped us stop the opposition. KGB was dynamite before his injury last year with 10 sacks in 9 games. Corey Williams had 8 sacks in the first 10 games. He, KGB and Kampman combined to make 3rd and long a nightmare for the opposition. Now we have Kampman and that is it. He gets doubled. The rest get stopped and 3rd and long feels more like 3rd and 1.

Now we just get beat up, warn down, ran over, passed on and generally embarassed. If you don't have a couple superstars on your defensive line you better have good detph. We had really good epth last year and the defenseheld up at the end, when it mattered most. This year they cave every time. It's tough. It's going ot be a good year for free agency. We have a lot of high draft picks in a draft that should be extra deep with junior talent. The problems are fixable, but we have to watch the same script every week this year.

[Partial]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

[gbgary]

Is it just me or does Brandon Jackson just seem to have a burst that Ryan Grant doesnt?

I want more Jackson

I agree. Grant is faster but Jackson is more powerfull. Jackson is the same weight as Grant but about 3 inches shorter. He's packed tighter, handles getting hit better and being shorter he has better balance so he can bounce off taclkers and make things happen when there is nothing there.

Yeah plays where it seems if Grant were running he would go two yards and fall down...; Jackson might get 7-8 yards out of it. And then back goes in Grant to do his usual get two yards and fall down business.

i think it's the zone-blocking thing. when we run a conventional quick-hitting, straight-ahead type play, Grant is much better and gains yards more consistantly.

[Gunakor]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

One more time Harvey, what was the ACTUAL offensive PPG at before the game this week? 22.something, right? That's more than 20.1.

For shits and giggles, how does that 22.something compare to the offensive production at this point last year - minus defensive and ST's scores?

[Partial]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

27.3 pts/game going into today's game which is 4th in the NFL. Defense easily in the bottom half.

No, that is total points. Our defense and special teams are leading the league in points scored, providing a HUGE "bailout" to the offense.

Our offense is scoring < 20 ppg now, and that is simply not getting it done.

[MJZiggy]

The defense's job is to hold the opposing offense to 1 point less than your score. It's what winning teams do. You don't want to get into shootouts every game. You get a lead (which we did) and you hold it in the 4th quarter. You don't give the game away (which our D did). Picking up after every 4th quarter defensive fuckup is too much to ask.

Listen to the 40 people telling you that it's you not looking at this intelligently.

[GrnBay007]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

[MJZiggy]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

27.3 pts/game going into today's game which is 4th in the NFL. Defense easily in the bottom half.

No, that is total points. Our defense and special teams are leading the league in points scored, providing a HUGE "bailout" to the offense.

Our offense is scoring < 20 ppg now, and that is simply not getting it done.

They didn't score any this game...

[Gunakor]

Is it just me or does Brandon Jackson just seem to have a burst that Ryan Grant doesnt?

I want more Jackson

I agree. Grant is faster but Jackson is more powerfull. Jackson is the same weight as Grant but about 3 inches shorter. He's packed tighter, handles getting hit better and being shorter he has better balance so he can bounce off taclkers and make things happen when there is nothing there.

Yeah plays where it seems if Grant were running he would go two yards and fall down...; Jackson might get 7-8 yards out of it. And then back goes in Grant to do his usual get two yards and fall down business.

Almost all of his yards gained today came after contact. Go through the game thread again, I commented on it several times.

[MJZiggy]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

[imscott72]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

27.3 pts/game going into today's game which is 4th in the NFL. Defense easily in the bottom half.

Partial doesn't count in defensive touchdowns. Becuase you know the offense wouldn't have scored on any of those possessions. I don't know how he knows this but he does. He only cares about what the offense does. Which is fine but he also then ignores that our offense scored a whole point or two more last year than our offense is this year after you take away defense and special teams scores.

Partial is on a fishing expedition. He knows it's not all Arod's fault, but each week he likes to jab us with a stick until we go off. Anyone with a brain can see it's not all his fault. Could he of played better? Of course, but the offense has done enough to where we should have 3 or 4 more wins. He just refuses to blame Grant for that dropped TD pass, which should of been a TD pass from Arod, but nope, that's Arod's fault too. I'm done. Might as well bang my head against a concrete wall than have a sensible conversation with him.

[imscott72]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

No idea where you're getting those numbers, because they're way, way off.
Through 13 games, 27.3 pts/game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Total&conference=NFL&year=season_2008&sort=1130&old_category=Total&old_group=Defense

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

No idea where you're getting those numbers, because they're way, way off.
Through 13 games, 27.3 pts/game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by..._group=Defense

He's taking out defense/special teams TD's I assume.

[gbgary]

No, that is total points. Our defense and special teams are leading the league in points scored, providing a HUGE "bailout" to the offense.

Our offense is scoring < 20 ppg now, and that is simply not getting it done.

exactly right!! i don't totally blame AR though. i think he's done fine for a first year guy. this is MM's what...3rd or 4th year? i put more of the blame on him.