NFL Scouts Rank Rodgers 19th in NFL

[Gunakor]

Again... instead of looking objective and listening to what real NFL scouts say, you would rather trust your uninformed and unprofessional opinion.

Actually, many times I would. I don't need a paid employee of the NFL telling me things that I can see with my own two eyes. I mean, these are the same scouts that rank Vince Young over Aaron Rodgers. You'll understand if I don't find this article too credible, even if only for that reason.

NFL scouts have a piss poor record evaluating QB's recently. I'd avise you not to take everything they say at face value. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt here, but I simply cannot without seeing their explaination as to why they graded each QB where they did. Can you at least post a link if you can't post the entire article?

[Zool]

Same scouts that blasted Houston for taking Williams over Bush? The only thing that makes them scouts instead of average people is they are wrong less than other people. But its not by a wide margin or there would only be 2 rounds in the NFL draft.

[Sparkey]

Scouts also thought Mandarich was a can't miss prospect, Driver would never make it, Brady sucked, Ryan Leaf was unstoppable, Marques Colston wasn't good, Reggie Bush would light up the league like he did at USC...

I think you get my point

It's a lot harder evaluating a college player versus someone who has played in the ranks of the NFL, don't you say? Once you see and have footage of how someone matches up with real world NFL players, its a heck of a lot easier to judge,

Do you agree?

I agree to a point. 14 starts and a few mop-up appearances prior to that is not enough to project a career, especially for a guy like Rodgers who appears bright, hard-working, and willing to learn. He has enough playing time to where we can critique where he is at right now, but not enough for us to point out his weak tendencies or the things he will always struggle with.

In the article, how the hell did scouts rank VY ahead of Rodgers as of right now? Really? They'd rather have the guy who has contemplated quitting football multiple times and asked to be taken out of the game? Maybe in the future when he rededicates himself, but right now, no way.

Work ethic aside, give me Young any day of the week over Rodgers. You can learn athleticism.

athleticism
1. an active interest in sports.
2. an obsessive participation in physical activity. — athletic, adj.

Partial, are you the little monkey with the hat and suit on that bangs his cymbals together until he gets his treat ?



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[Partial]

I'm going to assume you meant you CAN'T learn athleticism. I don't disagree. On a purely physical standpoint, Young has Rodgers beat. Young has all the tools. Big, fast, strong; he was supposed to be the one to finally redefine the QB position that Vick failed at.

However, he never got his throwing motion and accuracy issues figured out. And now there are serious doubts about whether he even has the desire to be an NFL QB.

Rodgers>Young right now

IMHO, Partial (Tank2) just looks for any position that will get a lot of responses and then defends the position (maybe just to keep the conversation going). Partial seems to be looking for any and all possible ways to rock the boat. I must admit it is entertaining ... to a point.

I've suspected the same thing for a while, and I believe Partial has posted as much before that he likes to stir the pot from time to time. He normally doesn't carry it on this long or to this extent. Kudos to you Partial.

Again... instead of looking objective and listening to what real NFL scouts say, you would rather trust your uninformed and unprofessional opinion.

I seem to remember Young carrying a Titans team on his back. This year he has some head issues. I'm not sweating it.

Some "head issues"? Haha, I guess that's one way to put it.

I frankly could care less what the scouts say. I would take Rodgers over VY in a heartbeat. I'm not speaking for the scouts, I'm speaking for myself. You and the scouts can have VY, although I'm not sure how much good he could do from the bench...or a shrink's couch.

Regardless.. Fine.. Let's take Vince Young out of the equation.. What about the other 18? Point is he is an average QB to this point.

This isn't trolling, its stating a fact. What QBs wouldn't you take over him? I made a list of ones I would, and professional scouts tend to agree.

I'm not buying Harv's conspiracy theories.

[Sparkey]

I'm going to assume you meant you CAN'T learn athleticism. I don't disagree. On a purely physical standpoint, Young has Rodgers beat. Young has all the tools. Big, fast, strong; he was supposed to be the one to finally redefine the QB position that Vick failed at.

However, he never got his throwing motion and accuracy issues figured out. And now there are serious doubts about whether he even has the desire to be an NFL QB.

Rodgers>Young right now

IMHO, Partial (Tank2) just looks for any position that will get a lot of responses and then defends the position (maybe just to keep the conversation going). Partial seems to be looking for any and all possible ways to rock the boat. I must admit it is entertaining ... to a point.

I've suspected the same thing for a while, and I believe Partial has posted as much before that he likes to stir the pot from time to time. He normally doesn't carry it on this long or to this extent. Kudos to you Partial.

Again... instead of looking objective and listening to what real NFL scouts say, you would rather trust your uninformed and unprofessional opinion.

I seem to remember Young carrying a Titans team on his back. This year he has some head issues. I'm not sweating it.

Some "head issues"? Haha, I guess that's one way to put it.

I frankly could care less what the scouts say. I would take Rodgers over VY in a heartbeat. I'm not speaking for the scouts, I'm speaking for myself. You and the scouts can have VY, although I'm not sure how much good he could do from the bench...or a shrink's couch.

Regardless.. Fine.. Let's take Vince Young out of the equation.. What about the other 18? Point is he is an average QB to this point.

This isn't trolling, its stating a fact. What QBs wouldn't you take over him? I made a list of ones I would, and professional scouts tend to agree.

I'm not buying Harv's conspiracy theories.

It is an OPINION! Not a fact, but an OPINION. Just because it is printed and/or a few others yell out the same thing, does not make it fact.

[Zool]

Regardless.. Fine.. Let's take Vince Young out of the equation.. What about the other 18? Point is he is an average QB to this point.

This isn't trolling, its stating a fact. What QBs wouldn't you take over him? I made a list of ones I would, and professional scouts tend to agree.

I'm not buying Harv's conspiracy theories.

Hold on now, because your opinion coincides with some others, that makes it fact?

[digitaldean]

Regardless.. Fine.. Let's take Vince Young out of the equation.. What about the other 18? Point is he is an average QB to this point.

This isn't trolling, its stating a fact. What QBs wouldn't you take over him? I made a list of ones I would, and professional scouts tend to agree.

I'm not buying Harv's conspiracy theories.

[Gunakor]

Regardless.. Fine.. Let's take Vince Young out of the equation.. What about the other 18? Point is he is an average QB to this point.

This isn't trolling, its stating a fact. What QBs wouldn't you take over him? I made a list of ones I would, and professional scouts tend to agree.

I'm not buying Harv's conspiracy theories.

I wouldn't take any QB that isn't listed as one of the quarterbacks having a better QB rating, more yards passing, more TD's, less INT's, better 3rd down passer rating, higher red zone scoring percentage, higher completion percentage, etc., etc. than Rodgers has this year. Wins and losses are achieved by teams, not quarterbacks, so I discount the team's win/loss record as it is not a good illustration of the QB specifically. And in every measureable QB catagory there is, Rodgers is much better than 19th.

[Partial]

Same scouts that blasted Houston for taking Williams over Bush? The only thing that makes them scouts instead of average people is they are wrong less than other people. But its not by a wide margin or there would only be 2 rounds in the NFL draft.

These are people making current day assessments. How many scouts would say that today? That is the question.

[Partial]

You guys are so funny. This is just laughable. HOMERS!!

To your average packer rat he is a top 5 QB in the league!

[Bossman641]

I'm going to assume you meant you CAN'T learn athleticism. I don't disagree. On a purely physical standpoint, Young has Rodgers beat. Young has all the tools. Big, fast, strong; he was supposed to be the one to finally redefine the QB position that Vick failed at.

However, he never got his throwing motion and accuracy issues figured out. And now there are serious doubts about whether he even has the desire to be an NFL QB.

Rodgers>Young right now

IMHO, Partial (Tank2) just looks for any position that will get a lot of responses and then defends the position (maybe just to keep the conversation going). Partial seems to be looking for any and all possible ways to rock the boat. I must admit it is entertaining ... to a point.

I've suspected the same thing for a while, and I believe Partial has posted as much before that he likes to stir the pot from time to time. He normally doesn't carry it on this long or to this extent. Kudos to you Partial.

Again... instead of looking objective and listening to what real NFL scouts say, you would rather trust your uninformed and unprofessional opinion.

I seem to remember Young carrying a Titans team on his back. This year he has some head issues. I'm not sweating it.

Some "head issues"? Haha, I guess that's one way to put it.

I frankly could care less what the scouts say. I would take Rodgers over VY in a heartbeat. I'm not speaking for the scouts, I'm speaking for myself. You and the scouts can have VY, although I'm not sure how much good he could do from the bench...or a shrink's couch.

Regardless.. Fine.. Let's take Vince Young out of the equation.. What about the other 18? Point is he is an average QB to this point.

This isn't trolling, its stating a fact. What QBs wouldn't you take over him? I made a list of ones I would, and professional scouts tend to agree.

I'm not buying Harv's conspiracy theories.

Since you asked I'll tell you the QB's I would take before Rodgers. Here's the list they gave.

4-0: Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers and Kurt Warner.

3-1: Brett Favre, Jake Delhomme and Vince Young.

Of these players, I'd definitely take Rodgers over Favre and Vince Young. I'd place Rodgers in the general vicinity of Delhomme, Eli Manning, and Ryan.

That places Rodgers around 15th-17th. I think that's pretty fair. I'll give Palmer the nod over Rodgers for now, but Palmer has now had an injured year in 2008 and a OK year in 2007. So it will be interesting to see how he bounces back.

[Lurker64]

Since I can't see the future, and there's only two games left to be played this season and they're largely irrelevant for matters other than draft position and pride, I don't think it matters where Rodgers is ranked this year.

Presumably he will get better with experience, most players do. I do think putting him behind Vince Young, who may never play another down of football in his life, is a little silly.

[Gunakor]

You guys are so funny. This is just laughable. HOMERS!!

To your average packer rat he is a top 5 QB in the league!

No, but he's a lot closer than you'd give him credit for.

I'd say he's 10-12 at this point. Certainly not bottom third in the NFL as your argument makes him out to be.

[mission]

You guys are so funny. This is just laughable. HOMERS!!

To your average packer rat he is a top 5 QB in the league!

Do you realize how many "lol" moments YOU'VE caused me (and everyone else) reading this thread?

I think the only FACT here is that AR has yet to have a defining moment where he's put the team on his back and got the big one. There are a million reasons for that and we can ride that around in circles all day long probably.

I mean... Vince Young... ??? Really?

The scouts article gave you a decent chance to ride its coattails to a point but you fucked it up like 4 different times now ...

I'd say quit while you're ahead but I'm not so sure that applies here ...

[packers04]

partial, i think your having an argument with yourself... nobody is going to claim that Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever. he is just finishing up his ROOKIE YEAR, i dont care how many years or decades he has been practicing and holding a clipboard, he is a GREEN ROOKIE. this year he has either met people's expectations or exceeded them by a bit. He's had a fine year.

Hopefully the next two or threee he will move into the discussion for top 8 QB's in the league. What's the big deal? Why are you bashing him right now, it makes no sense what so ever... admit it, hes played pretty well for a first year player. hopefully he'll continue progressing. if not, in 2-4 years we'll be moving on. Simple. Why all the drama partial?