NFL Scouts Rank Rodgers 19th in NFL

[Partial]

Young is a proven winner in this league.

Um....what? Proven winner? What has Vince Young done in his career? He has a -10 TD to INT career ratio and a career QB rating of under 70. Proven winner? That's laughable.

And before you counter with "he took his team to the playoffs" I'll just state that the Titans took Vince Young to the playoffs. You put any average QB on the 2007 Titans and they make the playoffs.

Impossible to judge ^. One could argue the same about the '08 Packers.

And then that argument would be refuted by pointing out our defensive incompetence.

I'll give you that VY has done more in his career than Aaron Rodgers, albeit with one more season of playing time. But to call VY a "proven winner" is laughable.

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

I can't fault the guy for having some issues. I also can't fault the guy for having a down year. They happen. He's still very young. He came out after his junior year, and this is only his third year.

[Bossman641]

If he continues to play average next year, they should give Brohm a fair shot at the spot.

3400 yards 23 TDs and 12 INTs in 14 games is "average"? I disagree...

Dude, stats don't mean everything. His performance has been average, otherwise we'd score a hell of a lot more points with our potent offense and have a better record.

Look at the stats of every QB in the NFL. I bet that is right in the middle, aka average.

It's like 10th-12th in most catagories, which is good. Not merely average, but not great either. I'd have to imagine his stats would look even better if McCarthy didn't take the ball out of his hands at times during the game. I think he's even BETTER than his stats.

Rodgers is 6th in TD's after tonight behind Rivers at 32, Brees at 30, and Romo-Warner-Manning at 26.

Passer rating before tonight was 7th.

[BallHawk]

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

I can't fault the guy for having some issues. I also can't fault the guy for having a down year. They happen. He's still very young. He came out after his junior year, and this is only his third year.

I don't give a damn if A-Rod wasn't offered a D1 Scholarship. Favre was offered only one scholarship (Southern Miss) and that was to play as a DB. That doesn't mean shit in the NFL. And of course VY was a highly recruited prospect he's a physical beast. 6'5, big arm, and fast. That's all you need to say. And don't make me list the QBs that did nothing in the NFL that won a national championship.

VY is sitting on the bench behind Kerry Collins. That's all there is to stay. He's there for a reason.

[dabootski]

Young is a proven winner in this league.

Um....what? Proven winner? What has Vince Young done in his career? He has a -10 TD to INT career ratio and a career QB rating of under 70. Proven winner? That's laughable.

And before you counter with "he took his team to the playoffs" I'll just state that the Titans took Vince Young to the playoffs. You put any average QB on the 2007 Titans and they make the playoffs.

Impossible to judge ^. One could argue the same about the '08 Packers.

And then that argument would be refuted by pointing out our defensive incompetence.

I'll give you that VY has done more in his career than Aaron Rodgers, albeit with one more season of playing time. But to call VY a "proven winner" is laughable.

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

I can't fault the guy for having some issues. I also can't fault the guy for having a down year. They happen. He's still very young. He came out after his junior year, and this is only his third year.

yet you will relentlessly rip rodgers for not being a hall of fame caliber QB after his first year starting. imagine if rodgers is having a "down year"!!! talk about upside...

you never cease to blow me away with your stupidity.

[Bossman641]

Young is a proven winner in this league.

Um....what? Proven winner? What has Vince Young done in his career? He has a -10 TD to INT career ratio and a career QB rating of under 70. Proven winner? That's laughable.

And before you counter with "he took his team to the playoffs" I'll just state that the Titans took Vince Young to the playoffs. You put any average QB on the 2007 Titans and they make the playoffs.

Impossible to judge ^. One could argue the same about the '08 Packers.

And then that argument would be refuted by pointing out our defensive incompetence.

I'll give you that VY has done more in his career than Aaron Rodgers, albeit with one more season of playing time. But to call VY a "proven winner" is laughable.

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

I can't fault the guy for having some issues. I also can't fault the guy for having a down year. They happen. He's still very young. He came out after his junior year, and this is only his third year.

yet you will relentlessly rip rodgers for not being a hall of fame caliber QB after his first year starting. imagine if rodgers is having a "down year"!!! talk about upside...

you never cease to blow me away with your stupidity.

When Partial controls the conversation he can bend the rules however he wants.

[cpk1994]

Scouts also thought Mandarich was a can't miss prospect, Driver would never make it, Brady sucked, Ryan Leaf was unstoppable, Marques Colston wasn't good, Reggie Bush would light up the league like he did at USC...

I think you get my point

It's a lot harder evaluating a college player versus someone who has played in the ranks of the NFL, don't you say? Once you see and have footage of how someone matches up with real world NFL players, its a heck of a lot easier to judge,

Do you agree?

I agree to a point. 14 starts and a few mop-up appearances prior to that is not enough to project a career, especially for a guy like Rodgers who appears bright, hard-working, and willing to learn. He has enough playing time to where we can critique where he is at right now, but not enough for us to point out his weak tendencies or the things he will always struggle with.

In the article, how the hell did scouts rank VY ahead of Rodgers as of right now? Really? They'd rather have the guy who has contemplated quitting football multiple times and asked to be taken out of the game? Maybe in the future when he rededicates himself, but right now, no way.

Work ethic aside, give me Young any day of the week over Rodgers. You can learn athleticism.

Concrete proof that you are indeed an ignorant troll. Only one of those would take Young over Rodgers.

[SkinBasket]

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

Look at what Rodgers did from age 3-6, and I think you'll change your tune.

Partial, you're not even grasping at straws here anymore, you've fallen into the chasm and now your just singing lunatic power ballads as you drop gleefully into the abyss of stupidity.

[Zool]

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

Look at what Rodgers did from age 3-6, and I think you'll change your tune.

Partial, you're not even grasping at straws here anymore, you've fallen into the chasm and now your just singing lunatic power ballads as you drop gleefully into the abyss of stupidity.

I dunno Skin he might have a point. Look at Andre Ware. That guy was an absolute stud at a D1 college and won the Heisman. I assume he put up HOF numbers at the pro level in Detroit. I mean he had to right? He played with Barry Sanders.

Maybe I'm thinking of Dave Klingler? Certainly Gino Torretta is in the pro football HOF right now. I mean how could he not be?

Favre's dad had to get him signed to a D1 school and that guy had one shitty NFL career. Its a classic case of D1 school recruitment = HOF NFL career. If Texas, Ohio State and Miami arent knocking at your door, you will suck for all time. Just ask Warren Moon.

[ThunderDan]

I can't believe that Eli Manning is rated above Rodgers.

The 2008 season is the first time in his career where his passer rating is going to be above 80.

His career stats are:
72 games 1,265/2,265 for 55.8% 14,504 yards or 201.4 yards per game 98 touchdowns 74 interceptions 76.1 passer rating

Giants fans were calling for his head in 2007.Even playing out of his mind the last 6 weeks of the regular season in 2007 his passer rating was 73.9 for the year.

[Partial]

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

Look at what Rodgers did from age 3-6, and I think you'll change your tune.

Partial, you're not even grasping at straws here anymore, you've fallen into the chasm and now your just singing lunatic power ballads as you drop gleefully into the abyss of stupidity.

I dunno Skin he might have a point. Look at Andre Ware. That guy was an absolute stud at a D1 college and won the Heisman. I assume he put up HOF numbers at the pro level in Detroit. I mean he had to right? He played with Barry Sanders.

Maybe I'm thinking of Dave Klingler? Certainly Gino Torretta is in the pro football HOF right now. I mean how could he not be?

Favre's dad had to get him signed to a D1 school and that guy had one shitty NFL career. Its a classic case of D1 school recruitment = HOF NFL career. If Texas, Ohio State and Miami arent knocking at your door, you will suck for all time. Just ask Warren Moon.

Nice one wise guy. The difference is Young actually WON in the NFL, and was dominant for a rookie QB. He was a winner, like Matt Ryan. His sophomore year, after winning rookie of the year, he followed it up by guiding his team to the playoffs.

Proven winner. He has had nothing but success, then got hurt, and with his injury exposed some mental problems. He's never been a malcontent or a trouble maker, so I can look past his off the field problems.. for now at least.

[Partial]

I can't believe that Eli Manning is rated above Rodgers.

The 2008 season is the first time in his career where his passer rating is going to be above 80.

His career stats are:
72 games 1,265/2,265 for 55.8% 14,504 yards or 201.4 yards per game 98 touchdowns 74 interceptions 76.1 passer rating

Giants fans were calling for his head in 2007.Even playing out of his mind the last 6 weeks of the regular season in 2007 his passer rating was 73.9 for the year.

Eli Manning is money. He is a young up-and-comer. H played the perfect pats as well as anybody, then won three road games in the playoffs than beat the Perfect Pats in the rematch. That is a hell of a 5 game stint at QB.

He doesn't have anyone to throw the ball to this year. Plax has been banged up all year. He's carrying a team on his back. That team is his.

[cheesner]

If he continues to play average next year, they should give Brohm a fair shot at the spot.

3400 yards 23 TDs and 12 INTs in 14 games is "average"? I disagree...

Dude, stats don't mean everything. His performance has been average, otherwise we'd score a hell of a lot more points with our potent offense and have a better record.

Look at the stats of every QB in the NFL. I bet that is right in the middle, aka average.

It's like 10th-12th in most catagories, which is good. Not merely average, but not great either. I'd have to imagine his stats would look even better if McCarthy didn't take the ball out of his hands at times during the game. I think he's even BETTER than his stats.

Or if AR had even an average OL and/or a running game to work with. He does have a stable of great receivers, but the lack of the first 2 is a bigger impact than the latter.

[cheesner]

Look at his record dating back to high school and I think you'll jump on board. A-Rod didn't even get offered a D1 scholarship. VY was offered to play at a top 5 college team. Dude won a national championship, won rookie of the year, and took a team to the playoffs.

Look at what Rodgers did from age 3-6, and I think you'll change your tune.

Partial, you're not even grasping at straws here anymore, you've fallen into the chasm and now your just singing lunatic power ballads as you drop gleefully into the abyss of stupidity.

I dunno Skin he might have a point. Look at Andre Ware. That guy was an absolute stud at a D1 college and won the Heisman. I assume he put up HOF numbers at the pro level in Detroit. I mean he had to right? He played with Barry Sanders.

Maybe I'm thinking of Dave Klingler? Certainly Gino Torretta is in the pro football HOF right now. I mean how could he not be?

Favre's dad had to get him signed to a D1 school and that guy had one shitty NFL career. Its a classic case of D1 school recruitment = HOF NFL career. If Texas, Ohio State and Miami arent knocking at your door, you will suck for all time. Just ask Warren Moon.

Nice one wise guy. The difference is Young actually WON in the NFL, and was dominant for a rookie QB. He was a winner, like Matt Ryan. His sophomore year, after winning rookie of the year, he followed it up by guiding his team to the playoffs.

Proven winner. He has had nothing but success, then got hurt, and with his injury exposed some mental problems. He's never been a malcontent or a trouble maker, so I can look past his off the field problems.. for now at least.

Career Stats

Season	Team		Passing	Rushing	Fumbles
G	GS	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Sck	SckY	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	FUM	Lost
2008	Tennessee Titans	 2	 1	13	23	56.5	164	7.1	1	2	1	3	57.2	3	2	0.7	0	1	0
2007	Tennessee Titans	 15	 15	238	382	62.3	2,546	6.7	9	17	25	157	71.1	93	395	4.2	3	10	3
2006	Tennessee Titans	 15	 13	184	357	51.5	2,199	6.2	12	13	25	129	66.7	83	552	6.7	7	12	3
TOTAL	435	762	57.1	4,909	6.4	22	32	51	289	68.6	179	949	5.3	10	23	6

VY looked good at times, and looked poor at others. I would certainly not call him dominant. Overall I would call him a bit below average. He has huge upside with amazing skills. He is raw, so there was hope that he would develop into a dominate QB. The emotional problems, however, may hinder that development and should detract from his status as a QB. The single most important factor of a QB, IMHO, is leadership. Being a suicidal quitter is not going to inspire confidence by his teammates. I do hope the kid pulls it together, he can be something special.

[sharpe1027]

Grossman is money. He is a young up-and-commer. He won three big games in the playoffs. That is a hell of a 3 game stint at QB.

He didn't have anyone to throw the ball to in the Superbowl, so the loss was not his fault. He had no WRs all year. He carried that team on his back. That team was his (and still should be).

fixed...or maybe:

Trent Dilfer is money. He is a proven commodity. H played the dangerous giants (who steam rolled through the playoffs) as well as anybody, before that he won three big playoff games, two of them on the road. That is a hell of a 4 game stint at QB.

He didn't have anyone to throw the ball to that year. He's carried that team on his back. That team was his.

[gbgary]

don't know about 19th but a ranking in the middle third of the league seems right to me for a guy of his experience. he's only gonna get better.