NFL Scouts Rank Rodgers 19th in NFL

[Rastak]

partial, i think your having an argument with yourself... nobody is going to claim that Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever. he is just finishing up his ROOKIE YEAR, i dont care how many years or decades he has been practicing and holding a clipboard, he is a GREEN ROOKIE. this year he has either met people's expectations or exceeded them by a bit. He's had a fine year.

Hopefully the next two or threee he will move into the discussion for top 8 QB's in the league. What's the big deal? Why are you bashing him right now, it makes no sense what so ever... admit it, hes played pretty well for a first year player. hopefully he'll continue progressing. if not, in 2-4 years we'll be moving on. Simple. Why all the drama partial?

No, he is a 4th year player. He has a huge advantage over a guy like Matt Ryan, having been through multiple training camps and many practice reps. He also had some live NFL game snaps.

I like the year he's had but don't paint him as a rookie just out of college because he most certainly isn't.

[Gunakor]

partial, i think your having an argument with yourself... nobody is going to claim that Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever. he is just finishing up his ROOKIE YEAR, i dont care how many years or decades he has been practicing and holding a clipboard, he is a GREEN ROOKIE. this year he has either met people's expectations or exceeded them by a bit. He's had a fine year.

Hopefully the next two or threee he will move into the discussion for top 8 QB's in the league. What's the big deal? Why are you bashing him right now, it makes no sense what so ever... admit it, hes played pretty well for a first year player. hopefully he'll continue progressing. if not, in 2-4 years we'll be moving on. Simple. Why all the drama partial?

No, he is a 4th year player. He has a huge advantage over a guy like Matt Ryan, having been through multiple training camps and many practice reps. He also had some live NFL game snaps.

I like the year he's had but don't paint him as a rookie just out of college because he most certainly isn't.

I agree with both of you actually. Yes, he does have an advantage over a rookie starter fresh out of college such as Matt Ryan. That said, he is not a veteran either IMO. One must remember that this is his first year starting, and that there are things about football at this level that you cannot learn in training camp or from the sidelines. It's comes from experience playing, and in that regard Rodgers is still in his first year.

[BF4MVP]

Tom Brady Yes
Peyton Manning Yes
Ben Roethlisberger Yes
Jay Cutler No
Drew Brees Yes
Eli Manning No
Tony Romo Yes at this point, but I think Rodgers could pass him as early as next year...
Carson Palmer Hasn't been good since '05 so no...
Matt Ryan No (The Falcons have had a nice season, but Ryan's not better than Rodgers..)
Donovan McNabb Yes
Philip Rivers Yes
Kurt Warner Yes
Brett Favre Hell no (He's the best I've ever seen, but certainly not this year..Rodgers wins right now by a fairly wide margin..)
Jake Delhomme Hell no
Vince Young Hell no (Are you freaking kidding me?)
Jason Campbell No
Chad Pennington No
Jeff Garcia No

"Yes" means I think he's better than Rodgers. "No" means I do not.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My take:

QBs that I like more than Rodgers long-term--which is really most important:

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Eli Manning

Young QBs that I like as much as Rodgers, but I'm not willing to say I'd take them over Rodgers at this point:

Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub, Brady Quinn

Carson Palmer has a very serious injury, and it remains to be seen what will happen to him.

That means I like 7 QBs above Rodgers long-term. I also like 5 other young QBs enough that I could see them being better than Rodgers. That means I see him as a top 8-12 QB long-term. Eli was a bit iffy--as I think he's a little overrated because of the Giants success.

[Rastak]

I have to admit I was very very impressed with Ryan yesterday. He really get's the ball out of the quickly and on target. Very poised. His fakes are outstanding.


I do like Rodgers, I'm not dissing him for sure. He's had a great year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I have to admit I was very very impressed with Ryan yesterday. He really get's the ball out of the quickly and on target. Very poised. His fakes are outstanding.

I do like Rodgers, I'm not dissing him for sure. He's had a great year.

Totally fair. Considering it's his true rookie year, he's probably had a more impressive year. Of course, Rodgers wasn't just starting for the first time. He had to deal with the fallout from the Favre saga. It would have been very easy for him to cave to the pressure. Imagine how terrible this year would have been for the Packers if Rodgers had been an epic failure? He gives us hope. Ryan is a bigger kid. Comparable arms. Rodgers has more mobility.

[Zool]

I have to admit I was very very impressed with Ryan yesterday. He really get's the ball out of the quickly and on target. Very poised. His fakes are outstanding.

I do like Rodgers, I'm not dissing him for sure. He's had a great year.

Totally fair. Considering it's his true rookie year, he's probably had a more impressive year. Of course, Rodgers wasn't just starting for the first time. He had to deal with the fallout from the Favre saga. It would have been very easy for him to cave to the pressure. Imagine how terrible this year would have been for the Packers if Rodgers had been an epic failure? He gives us hope. Ryan is a bigger kid. Comparable arms. Rodgers has more mobility.

Also, Rodgers has run the scout team in practice the last 3 years not the Packers O.

[KYPack]

Tom Brady Yes
Peyton Manning Yes
Ben Roethlisberger Yes
Jay Cutler No
Drew Brees Yes
Eli Manning No
Tony Romo Yes at this point, but I think Rodgers could pass him as early as next year...
Carson Palmer Hasn't been good since '05 so no...
Matt Ryan No (The Falcons have had a nice season, but Ryan's not better than Rodgers..)
Donovan McNabb Yes
Philip Rivers Yes
Kurt Warner Yes
Brett Favre Hell no (He's the best I've ever seen, but certainly not this year..Rodgers wins right now by a fairly wide margin..)
Jake Delhomme Hell no
Vince Young Hell no (Are you freaking kidding me?)
Jason Campbell No
Chad Pennington No
Jeff Garcia No

"Yes" means I think he's better than Rodgers. "No" means I do not.

BF I'll go after you and Harv in this one.

Matt Ryan, yeah, I'd take him over AR & I really like AR.
Ryan is the best Rookie QB I've ever seen. Big Ben was the winner there, but Rayn is a special guy. Watch tape on that kid, he's a big thing.

Eli is better than most on here think.

Brady? Well sure. But what if he's over? That Civil War doc he went to seems to have torn up his knee.

Cassell isn't on anybodies list. Would you trade AR for Matt Cassell?

I'd put AR in with the 3 "young guns" Cutler, Rivers and AR have a lot of years ahead of 'em. Both are rated above Aaron, but I'd keep ARod for his head. He stays calm. Rivers and Cutler have all the talent in the world, it's a tough call.

Kurt Warner over AR? Based on this year's play probably, but KW is putting out on the 16th green. His career is almost over. You have to evaluate Garcia, Favre and Warner differently. All 3 of 'em will probably be out of the league in 2010.

Romo? The media darling. He's been off the wall for quite awhile now. I think he's good, but I can't tell if he'll put that team over or not. I am pissed he's got a chance to do it.

Rodgers the 19th QB?

That's utter bullshit.

I'd buy Harve's evaluation.

8-12th QB with a shot at the top someday.

[Partial]

You guys are so funny. This is just laughable. HOMERS!!

To your average packer rat he is a top 5 QB in the league!

Do you realize how many "lol" moments YOU'VE caused me (and everyone else) reading this thread?

I think the only FACT here is that AR has yet to have a defining moment where he's put the team on his back and got the big one. There are a million reasons for that and we can ride that around in circles all day long probably.

I mean... Vince Young... ??? Really?

The scouts article gave you a decent chance to ride its coattails to a point but you fucked it up like 4 different times now ...

I'd say quit while you're ahead but I'm not so sure that applies here ...

Vince Young isn't getting any respect here. He played great as a rookie (although not statistiaclly speaking from a QB perspective, but he was a winner), and had a solid sophomore campaign.

Let's not forget his wins were in the AFC South on a rebuilding Titans team (took him with 3rd pick) against the mighty Colts coming off a super bowl victory, and the Jaguars which was one of the best teams in the NFL the past two years.

Young is a proven winner in this league. Rodgers is not yet, so I don't understand how this can be a bad argument.

[Partial]

You guys are so funny. This is just laughable. HOMERS!!

To your average packer rat he is a top 5 QB in the league!

No, but he's a lot closer than you'd give him credit for.

I'd say he's 10-12 at this point. Certainly not bottom third in the NFL as your argument makes him out to be.

I put him in the 12 to 15 range for YOU last week. This is what NFL scouts think.

He played fine for his first season as a starter. Now he has to be considered a veteran. If he continues to play average next year, they should give Brohm a fair shot at the spot.

[Partial]

Rodgers is much better than 19th.

In your opinion, he is. In the Scouts' opinion, he is not. In my opinion, he is between 12 and 15.

I think he's the players he's going to be and I'm not super satisfied with that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Vince Young isn't getting any respect here. He played great as a rookie (although not statistiaclly speaking from a QB perspective, but he was a winner), and had a solid sophomore campaign.

You can have his "solid" sophomore campaign (9 TDs, 17 interceptions). I'll take Kerry Collins over that any day.

[Partial]

Vince Young isn't getting any respect here. He played great as a rookie (although not statistiaclly speaking from a QB perspective, but he was a winner), and had a solid sophomore campaign.

You can have his "solid" sophomore campaign (9 TDs, 17 interceptions). I'll take Kerry Collins over that any day.

Well, clearly you're alone on that one because Bud Adams went on record last week saying Young will be the starter going forward next year.

[dissident94]

Well here is my list of young Qbs that are better than Rodgers

Cutler
Cassel- He is bigger stronger, more mobile
Rivers- not even close.
Rothlesburger
Ryan
Romo


I believe all of these guys will be better long term than Rodgers. If Rodgers wasn't a Packer many of the suppoters wouldn't think that much of him.

He is Ok. He has potential to be borderline probowl career or be Joey Harrington. Can't tell from one year.

Oh he is not a rookie, wait untill Ryan plays a few more years. don't dismiss what he has done as a true rookie. That guy will be solid for years to come

[Rastak]

Vince Young isn't getting any respect here. He played great as a rookie (although not statistiaclly speaking from a QB perspective, but he was a winner), and had a solid sophomore campaign.

You can have his "solid" sophomore campaign (9 TDs, 17 interceptions). I'll take Kerry Collins over that any day.

Well, clearly you're alone on that one because Bud Adams went on record last week saying Young will be the starter going forward next year.

If he's stating that now he's kind of an idiot.