The 0 for 7 stat

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[SnakeLH2006]

Wow this thread has run down. Fuck stats other than Arod is 0-7 in bringing us back....All every single fucking NFL game tape/film/current game does is bring up 4th QT comebacks....I'd love to see a stat of down in 4th QT vs. winning the game....prob. the best are .333 but Arod is 0-7. There's lot's of fucking blame to go around but the facts are ARod is pretty good statistically until late in the 4th....saw some crazy stat in the last game where he was 0 Tds, 5 ints. late in the last 5 min....and me and my buddies who are HARDCORE Pack fans saw that and just thought how this is true....maybe we could have got 3 more wins, or 2, as Arod has been pretty Favre-like until the last 5-6 min. of the game (but then again that what's made him the legend/man at that age...MVPs...maybe not at 39, but then.....who the fuck thinks Arod is gonna win the game late after all the chances this season?...dude doesn't even have a CLUTCH in his jeep)....

I never feel the chance WE have a chance late (look around, does anyone).....look what Favre did in his first game in GB...There's plenty of blame to go around, but dude is so anti-clutch it's sick..Fuck stats..or say yeah, look at those, we coulda won 7 games and/did won none of them. If we won 4 of those 7 games ARod coulda won late we'd be 9-6. But hey, none is something. Quit defending this shit. He's not the reason we are losing, but is too young to do better as of yet. So until he realizes how to win late regardless of the D (have a chance) we won't be playoff contenders.

First off I love stats, but Elway, Montana, Young, Brett were all deece at QB stats, but to defend ARod now when he's been relatively healthy and has put up deece 2008 stats (they all rise in QB ratings so don't compare Brett as the avg. rating has risen over the past decade plus) yet those dudes won games late to get them into the playoffs or close to...I still like ARod but the hell if it doesn't matter if he hasn't won games late....Remember how many shitty D's Marino, Elway, etc. had. They still pulled 'em out late and are the winningest 2nd and 3rd QB's behind Brett with shitty casts/teams.

See this vid and get back to me when ARod does this after 16 games (not his first QB game like Brett did as we are all waiting)..damn...We are 5-10 and had SO MANY chances regardless of our D to win the game.....so what happens, we want the Pack to lose and get a good pick now? Only happened once in 2005..Flame that, but it's fucking true...in 2008...what now? He's had his chances and is healthy as a QB is determined by his wins...I see Carson Palmer until proven otherwise. Throw up all the stats, Arod is a failure in late games and has proven thus far. He's had a chance to win all those. FG's? Throw a TD hero. Or at least win one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ6LTcvzzAs

[packerbacker1234]

Re: The 0 for 7 stat

Anybody else get a kick out of that stat last night. Apparently, Rodgers doesn't get credit for leading the Packers on a scoring drive to take the lead with under 2 minutes left against Carolina because the defense gave up the lead.

Also, convenient for their "angle" how they picked 5 minutes left in the game. Rodgers had four other games (besides Carolina) this year where the offense scored to tie the game or take the lead with between 5-6 minutes left in the game.

Took the lead with 5:17 left against Detroit
Tied the game with 5:30 left against Tennessee
Took the lead with 1:57 left against Carolina
Tied the game with 5:56 left against Houston
Took the lead with 5:35 left against Jacksonville

Also, Mason Crosby cost him two game winning drives in the 4th quarter after Rodgers had gotten them within FG range (albeit on a lucky play vs. Minnesota). It's not his fault they threw the ball to get within FG range, McCarthy chose not to make even one throw after that, and then Crosby missed the FG.

The stat though, again, is misleading. scoring with 5+ minutes to go isn't really crunch time. All you did was hand the ball over tot eh other side with a crap ton of time to drive the field, and end the game. Against Detroit, Tennsee, Houston, and Jacksonville, Rodgers had the ball in his hands just under 2 minutes to play, and never punched it in the endzone. You came blame crosby, or the coaching staff if you wish for being conservative in two of the games, but lets face it: Rodgers had the ball just under two in several games this year and didn't win a single one.

Take the panther game into account, sure we took the lead with 2 minutes to go. Great. Too bad carolina executed a two minute drill to perfection, with good old Delhomme showing once again how you get it done with the game on the line in the clutch. Defense may of blew the lead, but when has Rodgers led a 2 minute left in the game to win? I mean, just as likely, the panther defense gave us the lead in that game.

Oh, and we only took the lead with a FG. Again, we needed a TD to seal it, not a FG.

[Patler]

Re: The 0 for 7 stat

The stat though, again, is misleading. scoring with 5+ minutes to go isn't really crunch time. All you did was hand the ball over tot eh other side with a crap ton of time to drive the field, and end the game. Against Detroit, Tennsee, Houston, and Jacksonville, Rodgers had the ball in his hands just under 2 minutes to play, and never punched it in the endzone. You came blame crosby, or the coaching staff if you wish for being conservative in two of the games, but lets face it: Rodgers had the ball just under two in several games this year and didn't win a single one.

Take the panther game into account, sure we took the lead with 2 minutes to go. Great. Too bad carolina executed a two minute drill to perfection, with good old Delhomme showing once again how you get it done with the game on the line in the clutch. Defense may of blew the lead, but when has Rodgers led a 2 minute left in the game to win? I mean, just as likely, the panther defense gave us the lead in that game.

Oh, and we only took the lead with a FG. Again, we needed a TD to seal it, not a FG.

I can't believe you are criticizing Rodgers for the Carolina game. He executed a beautiful 4th quarter drive that should have won the game.

Getting the ball at his own 20 with 11:10 remaining, Rodgers engineered a drive that took 9:13 seconds. He was 6/6 passing for 53 yards and ran for another 8 yards on two carries. That drive was all Rodgers. Jackson had just 3 carries for 10 yards, until it was 1st down and goal to go at the 7. After relying on Rodgers to get them there, MM then runs Jackson for 6 on 1st down, Jackson for 0 on 2nd and Kuhn for 0 on third. Hardly Rodgers fault that they didn't get the TD.

Rodgers and the offense ran 9 minutes and 13 seconds off the clock in that drive, scored to take the lead, then turned it over to the kickoff team and a very well-rested defense. Carolina ran just two plays after a 45 yard kickoff return. A single 54 yard pass and a 1 yard run for the TD. It took all of 27 seconds. I guess Rodgers left too much time on the clock. He should have made sure that his drive took at least about 10:50 so Carolina wouldn't have had the 27 seconds they needed to score.

Yes, I know, Rodgers had still one final shot with 1:24 remaining and the ball at his own 17. He screwed up and threw and interception. But the drive that SHOULD have won the game was the 16 play, 9 minute drive, and it wasn't Rodger's fault that after getting them to the 7, MM took the ball away from him.

[gex]

Re: The 0 for 7 stat

Anybody else get a kick out of that stat last night. Apparently, Rodgers doesn't get credit for leading the Packers on a scoring drive to take the lead with under 2 minutes left against Carolina because the defense gave up the lead.

Also, convenient for their "angle" how they picked 5 minutes left in the game. Rodgers had four other games (besides Carolina) this year where the offense scored to tie the game or take the lead with between 5-6 minutes left in the game.

Took the lead with 5:17 left against Detroit
Tied the game with 5:30 left against Tennessee
Took the lead with 1:57 left against Carolina
Tied the game with 5:56 left against Houston
Took the lead with 5:35 left against Jacksonville

Also, Mason Crosby cost him two game winning drives in the 4th quarter after Rodgers had gotten them within FG range (albeit on a lucky play vs. Minnesota). It's not his fault they threw the ball to get within FG range, McCarthy chose not to make even one throw after that, and then Crosby missed the FG.

The stat though, again, is misleading. scoring with 5+ minutes to go isn't really crunch time. All you did was hand the ball over tot eh other side with a crap ton of time to drive the field, and end the game. Against Detroit, Tennsee, Houston, and Jacksonville, Rodgers had the ball in his hands just under 2 minutes to play, and never punched it in the endzone. You came blame crosby, or the coaching staff if you wish for being conservative in two of the games, but lets face it: Rodgers had the ball just under two in several games this year and didn't win a single one.

Take the panther game into account, sure we took the lead with 2 minutes to go. Great. Too bad carolina executed a two minute drill to perfection, with good old Delhomme showing once again how you get it done with the game on the line in the clutch. Defense may of blew the lead, but when has Rodgers led a 2 minute left in the game to win? I mean, just as likely, the panther defense gave us the lead in that game.

Oh, and we only took the lead with a FG. Again, we needed a TD to seal it, not a FG.

Well said!

[Gunakor]

Its actually 0-8. Two were missed/block field goals.

Plain and simple A-Rod needs to reamain composed and not force the issue.

The only way for the Packers to once again become a super bowl contender is for A-Rod to win more close games than he loses.

I guess we see things differently. I am of the opinion that the defense and special teams need to remain composed and not force the issue. They would have been close games that swung the other way if the defense weren't guaranteed to give up points on the last of our opponent's opportunities every week. Or if our vaunted FG kicker can get his kick into the air. Or if Jarrett Bush would pull his head out of his ass at some point in his career. Or if...

A-Rod does not win games. The PACKERS win games. I don't quite understand how so many people cannot come to that realization, even after watching the offense put the winning points on the board with enough time left for just ONE possession for our opponent to tie or take the lead. Yet it's the offense's fault - or Rodgers' fault in particular? Baffling. I don't know if I'll ever be able to understand how you guys come to the conclusion that Rodgers is somehow responsible for the Packers futility this year. He's led a number of 4th quarter comebacks this year. People are so quick to forget that...

The point is elite qbs win games in the last 2 minutes. A-Rod has demonstrated this.

Agreed the team is also to blame for the 0-8 stat. But at the end of the day, A-Rod was given chances to win and he failed.

Again A-Rod needs to be an elite q-b to lead us to the super bowl not the defense.

Defense wins games, especially in January. Wouldn't you agree?

Green Bay has never won a Super Bowl without an elite defense. Not once.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This thread is interesting. Most of the people that criticized Rodgers (and most in this thread did) don't post anymore. It's funny that Rastak, the Vikings fan, was one who admitted Rodgers had a pretty damn good year.

[vince]

ah the memories. The Favreageddon army. That Rodgers guy turned out alright.

[pbmax]

Still having trouble with games decided by less than 4 points. Playoff games are normally close, they can't win a Super Bowl with a QB and coach like that.

[mmmdk]

I was over the moon in 2005 when we drafted Aaron Rodgers; I went ahead and scooped up all the games with AR I could from Pontel.com I still go back that pile of dvds - again & again.

[Pugger]

I remember being excited about seeing Rodgers sitting there in NY on draft day when our pick came up. I couldn't believe our good fortune! I wonder how may GMs that passed on AR that day are kicking themselves now?

mmmdk, is that a photo of AR or Dickey in your avatar?

[Zool]

Meaning exactly what? Come on Zool. Explain yourself. I start threads and comment in threads with the hope of opening discussion, to keep this from becoming nothing but emotional bitching; and continually receive comments like that. I try to look for topics to start on days that are slow. I try to add some reality to threads that drift to nothing but emotion. I confront posters who make statements that are simply wrong factually. Yet you and many others seem to resent me more and more. Why is that?

So, let's have it. What is your problem with my postings?

Weird, Patler you must have been off your game this day. I was actually trying to get people to back off their idiocy but you thought I was calling you out. I have always enjoyed your posts and thought you to be one of the most valuable posters in the Packer room.

[ThunderDan]

Still having trouble with games decided by less than 4 points. Playoff games are normally close, they can't win a Super Bowl with a QB and coach like that.

I don't think AR has brought us back in the 4th Q during our current 11 game win streak. Dump the bum!!!

[mmmdk]

I remember being excited about seeing Rodgers sitting there in NY on draft day when our pick came up. I couldn't believe our good fortune! I wonder how may GMs that passed on AR that day are kicking themselves now?

mmmdk, is that a photo of AR or Dickey in your avatar?

The picture is AR vs Saints in 2005 - I believe his first action as QB at Lambeau. It was a 51-3 rout. I've had that avatar for a looong, long time!

[vince]

I don't think AR has brought us back in the 4th Q during our current 11 game win streak. Dump the bum!!!

That's correct. And look at the list of other guys who have gone almost as long without a 4th Q comeback!

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_4296_Captain_Comeback_Week_5%3A_Winning.html

Green Bay’s Path to Victory
While the Colts have their 11-game streak of comeback futility, the Green Bay Packers have put together an 11-game winning streak for the ages.

In winning the last six games of the 2010 season on their way to claiming Super Bowl XLV, and starting 5-0 in 2011, the Packers have not trailed in the fourth quarter one time during the 11-game streak. Only once have they been tied, and that was just briefly against the Bears in week 17.

Before the season started we looked at the front-running nature of the Packers, and how they win almost all of their games by getting ahead and staying there. Right now they’re performing at a level where no team is able to get ahead of them and force them to come back in the fourth quarter.

Since they haven’t been blowing every team out, the defense has been exceptional in preventing late-game rallies by the opponent. They secured key fourth quarter interceptions against Jay Cutler in week 17, Michael Vick in the NFC Wild Card, Caleb Hanie (twice) in the NFC Championship, and from Matt Ryan on Sunday night. They forced the fumble of Rashard Mendenhall in the Super Bowl, and they had goal line stands this season against the Saints and Panthers.

Just how unprecedented is this streak? We looked through several other successful runs to find the best winning streaks without trailing in the fourth quarter.

Winning Streaks Without Trailing in 4th Quarter

Team
QB
Year(s)
Games
Games Tied in 4th QT
Notes


Packers
Aaron Rodgers
2010-11
11
1
Last 11 games incl. SB XLV

Steelers
Terry Bradshaw
1975
11
2
Lost season finale; won SB X

Colts
Peyton Manning
2005
11
0
Lost week 15 after 13-0 start

Colts
Earl Morrall
1968
10
1
Lost SB III

Cowboys
Troy Aikman
1993-94
10
1
Incl. SB XXVIII; lost week 3

Dolphins
Bob Griese
1973
10
0
Lost week 13; won SB VIII

49ers
Joe Montana
1984
9
0
Last 9 games thru SB XIX

Cowboys
Roger Staubach*
1971
9
1
Last 9 games thru SB VI

Packers
Brett Favre
1996-97
9
0
Incl. SB XXXI; lost week 2

Dolphins
Dan Marino
1984
9
0
First 9 games; lost SB XIX

Vikings
Randall Cunningham
1998
9
1
Lost NFC Championship

Steelers
Ben Roethlisberger
2005
8
0
Last 8 games thru SB XL

Patriots
Tom Brady
2007
8
0
Lost SB XLII after 18-0 start

Giants
Phil Simms
1986
8
1
Last 8 games thru SB XXI

Browns
Otto Graham
1954
8
0
Lost season finale; won title

49ers
Steve Young
1992
7
1
Lost NFC Championship

Broncos
John Elway
1997
6
0
First 6 games; won SB XXXII

Colts
Johnny Unitas
1966
5
0
Finished 9-5; no playoffs

*Staubach was injured in 1972, and the Cowboys extended their streak to 11 straight wins without trailing in the fourth quarter.

The Packers are looking rather historic here. Notice that so many of these runs not surprisingly culminated with a Super Bowl championship.

Other notable streaks:
In 1976, the Steelers won 10 straight games while starting Mike Kruczek and Terry Bradshaw at quarterback, never trailing in the fourth quarter until their loss to the Raiders in the AFC Championship. Hard to trail when you allow 4.2 PPG.

The 1928 Packers won their last game of the season 6-0 over the Bears. They started 10-0 in 1929, never allowing more than 6 points. Their 11th game was a 0-0 tie. That’s likely an 11-game winning streak without trailing in the fourth quarter, but you can never tell for sure with games from those days.

The 1933 Chicago Bears won their last four games of the regular season, before picking up a comeback win (thanks to a jump pass by Bronko Nagurski turned into a lateral) over the Giants in the first ever NFL Championship Game. Then in 1934, the Bears were 13-0 in the regular season, setting the NFL record with an 18-game winning streak. But they lost the NFL Championship game to the Giants. It appears they started the season 9-0 without trailing in the fourth, before needing a 9-point comeback to defeat those Giants 10-9. This would make their streak 9 games.

The Bears would have another 18-game win streak in 1941-42. Sid Luckman led a comeback on 12/7/1941 (day of the Pearl Harbor attack). He would lead another in the first game of the 1942 season. The Bears finished 11-0, losing in the championship game again, meaning this win streak without trailing in the fourth quarter was 10 games long.

The 1969 Vikings won 12 straight games, but the comeback they needed on 11/16 at Green Bay limits their streak to 7 games.

The 1972 Dolphins were 17-0, but they didn’t string together more than 6 straight wins without trailing in the fourth. They actually were a better team the following season when they won the Super Bowl again.

The 1985 Bears only needed one comeback win, which came on 11/3 against the Packers. That breaks their streak at eight games to start the season. They went on to win the last six games of the season. In 1986, they started 6-0, but needed a comeback in the third game; again the opponent was Green Bay (notice how they keep coming up here). Comeback wins against the Packers bookend 8-game win streaks without trailing in the fourth for Ditka’s Bears.

With the winless, comeback-less Rams up next on the schedule, Green Bay should have no problem pushing this streak to 12 games. Maybe someone with a deeper database can say otherwise, but we haven’t found any team in NFL history that’s won 12 straight games without trailing once in the fourth quarter. Certainly no team in the modern era.

We’ll be keeping track of this as it progresses. History says the streak shouldn’t last much longer.