With all the troubles at WR, why didnt the packers...

[woodbuck27]

This is a debate with some merit on both sides. However, I would think the weight of the evidence yields a clear "No" answer.

On one hand, we have a top-notch football talent who could elevate the Packer offense. Assuming all stay healthy, a Favre-TO-Driver combo could be near unstoppable.

On the other hand, we have a guy who is completely out of touch with reality, and nobody can tell him "no". His me-first attitude is polarizing in the locker room, and everything we know about Brett leads me to believe the two would end up on opposite sides when sides are taken. Even when one, the other, or both have departed, the rift would remain until the roster is turned over completely.

The potential short-term gain is simply overwhelmed by the inevitable long-term consequences. Let T.O. break up the Cowboys instead. Although I like and respect Bill Parcells' ability to lead, I see things ending badly there nonetheless. T.O. is just that far out there ...

Solid post the_idle_threat !

Very well put across and I respect that.

Now for all you who are trying or are successful in voting "NO' twice or more I maintain my position that I wanted T.O. to get his next chance with OUR Team.

He and Brett Favre would have lit it up, and if he could have accepted his role with us. Donald Driver would have been even more than we saw last season !

Donald Driver made way over the top - too many receptions given that he was covered heavily as Favre's, only real go-to guy, and with T.O. on the line of scrimmage it would have really lent to improving the passing attack.

[Bretsky]

I'm down the middle on TO; if I was the GM and thought getting TO in could get us to the Super Bowl in the next two years I'd roll the dice. But you have to believe he can get you to a title because there is a huge risk.

I don't know of TT feels we're that close.

[woodbuck27]

I'm down the middle on TO; if I was the GM and thought getting TO in could get us to the Super Bowl in the next two years I'd roll the dice. But you have to believe he can get you to a title because there is a huge risk.

I don't know of TT feels we're that close.

Heck TT didn't even flat out know if he even had Brett Favre.

I really believe. Dam we would have been dangerous on Offence with Terrell Owens and Favre teamed up with DD wide on the other side. With a decent season from Bubba and a running back that could catch the pass and skoot, we would have given alot of teams misery.

[MJZiggy]

Perhaps Jennings will one day be the next TO and you'll be glad TT saved the money to pay him instead.

[woodbuck27]

Perhaps Jennings will one day be the next TO and you'll be glad TT saved the money to pay him instead.

REALITY.

That hope - or for another like him ( pure talent wise, and no ego issue attached like a tatoo ) to come along FOR us - is all I've got left Ziggy.

With all this greed for money I wonder how long we really have to wait?

[Packers4Ever]

I just thought of something else - supposing we did have TO and Brett had

a dynamite year, (he's due for it) given TO's thirst for praise, attention and

glory, could Brett's returning super star status cause TO to return to some

of his old ways, being demanding, accusing, etc... ? After all, there would

then be 2 super stars on the field and frankly I don't think TO's ego could

handle that. Before you know it, Brett wouldn't be passing to TO as often as

TO wanted the ball and here we go again with another ruckus, like the ones

before it. Couldn't you see this happening?

[Bretsky]

OR

Brett Favre's career could have been given a spark of fire with two awesome weapons to throw to and we make the playoffs and Favre throws 30TD's and he decides to play longer. So he comes back for another year after excelling this year again.

It could happen.

As a GM, though, I would not want to structure a long term deal with TO. I think he's a time bomb that will go off eventually. If you can get two good years out of him w/o him going off you did well.

[Packers4Ever]

Frankly I like your thoughts better than mine, Bretsky,

but I also agree that TO could very well be a time bomb waiting

to happen. Has all the earmarks.....

[MJZiggy]

They say the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

[Bretsky]

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Packers helped birth legend of T.O.
Posted: July 8, 2006
SportsDay



Bob Wolfley
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For you Green Bay Packers fans who believe that Dallas Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens is the pastor of the Wonder of Me Church where many contemporary athletes worship, you're going to be disappointed about what he says in his new book, "T.O.," written with Jason Rosenhaus.

Owens writes that if it wasn't for one particular game, one moment in one particular game, he would not have become T.O., the irresistible football force, the immovable cultural icon he is today.

Without this moment, he'd be plain old Terrell trying to eke out a shabby existence somewhere, instead of the magnificent specimen of achievement in the National Football League he has come to represent.

This moment freed him to become the colossus he was destined to become. Without this moment, there would be no book.

Yes, Packers fans, your team is the one that caused T.O. to become all that he has become.

Who is to blame for giving birth to T.O.? Say it ain't so, T.O.

The Green Bay Packers.

"That game changed my career," Owens writes about the San Francisco 49ers' victory over the Packers on Jan. 3, 1999. "That one play turned me into a hero set on a path toward stardom. One play can really mean that much. This game is very unforgiving, and all it takes is one play to haunt a player for the remainder of his career. At the same time, one catch can make a player into a hero forever."

Owens is referring to the playoff game at 3Com Park in his third season, when he caught a 25-yard touchdown pass from Steve Young with 3 seconds left in the game to beat the Packers, 30-27.

"I gained a tremendous amount of confidence in myself and knew deep down now that I was a winner!" Owens writes.

The play that resulted in the touchdown was called the "all go double comeback" play, which "was designed for two receivers on the outside to run straight into the end zone by the sidelines and for two other receivers to slant inside toward the middle of the end zone," Owens writes.

Young had called the same play earlier, he says, and thrown to J.J. Stokes.

Young called it again.

Owens was having a terrible day with four dropped passes and a fumble. He had sprouted horns as the game's goat and was slouching to oblivion.

"When I got to the huddle, Steve looked at me when he called the play and I knew what he was thinking," Owens writes.

He ran the route to the inside.

"I wanted that ball like I never wanted anything in my life," Owens writes. "No one was going to stop me. As I jumped for it, I could see nothing but the ball, while the two defenders were coming to take my head off from both sides. They could have been armed with baseball bats and I was still going to get that ball.

"I made the catch! I scored! We won! Game over!"

For the record, the Packers defenders were safeties Darren Sharper and Pat Terrell. After the game, Sharper acknowledged he should have been in position to make a play on the ball.

Packers fans, if they are so inclined, can also blame the referees for creating the phenomenon now known as T.O.

Jerry Rice's only catch of the game, a 6-yarder with 46 seconds left, was really a fumble that Packers linebacker Bernardo Harris recovered. But there was no fumble call.

Maybe that's the best way out of this, green and gold nation.

Yeah, the refs.

The Packers didn't create the blight known as T.O., the refs did.

Yeah, that's it.

The refs.

[GrnBay007]

Remember how TO sat there on the ground cying like a baby after that catch? I suppose I would too! What a game.

[Bretsky]

Remember how TO sat there on the ground cying like a baby after that catch? I suppose I would too! What a game.

I'LL NEVER FORGET; I WATCHED THE GAME IN A BAR IN CALIFORNIA AFTER

WITNESSING THE MIGHTY UW MADISON FOOTBALL TEAM UPSET CADE MCNOWN AND THE MIGHT BRUINS.

I WAS TALKING SHIT MUCH OF THE GAME; ENDED UP EATING MY WORDS AND HAVING CALIFORNIANS VERBALLY RIDING ME TIL I LEFT

[MJZiggy]

Damn refs.

[GrnBay007]

LOL I can see it now......there will be the big "G" logo and the words....birth of a legend with TO's pic to folllow.........ugh!

[Packers4Ever]

LOL I can see it now......there will be the big "G" logo and the words....birth of a legend with TO's pic to folllow.........ugh!

PUH-LEEZE !!!

Say - when does TO's book hit the bookstores ??
J/K