With the 9th overall pick of the 2009 NFL Draft....

[rbaloha1]

Unable to determine if the left tackles are worthy of a #9 pick. Possibly reaches.

Considering that the bust rate for top 10 OTs is the lowest of any position, and there are four OTs who could probably go in the top 4 this year, none of the top guys are a reach. If Smith, Smith, Oher, and Monroe are all gone then yes, an OT at #9 is a reach, but that's why you don't count your chickens before you're on the clock (*cough* "Mays is the pick" *cough*).


Andre Smith and Monroe are not reaches since both are most likely gone. Unsure of Oher. Sounds good on paper but never watched him play. Please provide an evaluation based on Oher's play.

Mays was only suggested if available (cough cough). Mays is unavailable no need to discuss. Although if available worthy of a #9.

Plus, I mean it's not like we're not staring at having to replace two offensive tackles.

Tausher may not return and is coming off season ending injury. Cliffy I believe is 34 y/o and is not a good fit for the running game of the zone blocking scheme. Still a good pass protector but appeared to get beat more this season.

Plus, considering it doesn't match the dominant opinion of the fans as to what we "need" means it smacks more and more of a Thompson pick:
2005 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Rodgers. Great TT pick. Although I wanted Heath Miller.
2006 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Hawk. Bad pick. Wamted Vernon Davis who was a pro bowl alternate this season. Recall Hawk almost went to the Saints which could have landed Bush in GB.
2007 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Harrell. Great pick at that time. Still expect Harrell to be a good player
2008 we need "an impact player" (and probably a CB) and Thompson trades out of the first round (and we take a WR). Good move. Jordy Nelson is a better Bill Schroeder.

Who we think is a need and is a value where we're drafting really has very little to do with what TT eventually does.

Of course. Speculation is part of the fun of a message board. TT will do what is best for the team given the draft position.

[LL2]

[quote="Lurker64
Plus, considering it doesn't match the dominant opinion of the fans as to what we "need" means it smacks more and more of a Thompson pick:
2005 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Rodgers.
2006 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Hawk.
2007 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Harrell.
2008 we need "an impact player" (and probably a CB) and Thompson trades out of the first round (and we take a WR).

Who we think is a need and is a value where we're drafting really has very little to do with what TT eventually does.[/quote]

Very good observation and noticing a trend. It sure seems TT like to do the opposite of what everyone thinks he should do.

[swede]

TT conformed to conventional wisdom in 2006. Everyone saw the Hawk pick coming. A few were disappointed that we didn't get Vernon Davis, but that was one case of VD I'm glad we didn't get.

[Fritz]

Just for fun, I looked around at the most recent mock drafts online. There's a lot of different opinions about who the Packers will take. I don't have much idea which of these sources is the most reliable, but here you go:

1. Football'sFuture.com, Joe Montgomery and Jamaal Steady predict Michael Johnson, DE, Ga. Tech.

2. FFToolbox and The Football Expert (Michael Abramowitz) predict Brian Orapko, DE, Texas.

3. NFLDraftDog and NFL MockDraftAces predict Jason Smith, OT, Baylor.

4. Draft King predicts Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State.

5. NFL Draft Site predicts Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinnati.

Mike, any relation to Terry, Mickens?

[Badgerinmaine]

5. NFL Draft Site predicts Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinnati.

Mike, any relation to Terry, Mickens?

Here's some of what I found:

http://www.newsrecord.org/sections/sports/mike_mickens_last_line_of_defense

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1601

http://gobearcats.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mickens_mike00.html

One of the other sites I saw ranked him as the #7 CB in the draft. He also needed surgery on knee cartilage that kept him out of the last two games of Cincy's regular season. From what I've been reading, I would be surprised to see the Packers take him with the #9 overall pick. The overall consensus on him seems to be a later first rounder or second round pick. No mention I saw of any connection to Terry.

[packrulz]

Here's a clip of Tyson Jackson, I think he will be a good pro, like a healthy Jenkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YssdMgoWYE
Here's a clip of Orakpo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN2rN...eature=related
On the int they had 3 down lineman, he has good size, I think he'll be good.
Here's one of Michael Johnson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q_tb...eature=related
He has good size/speed, but he really only had one good year, I like the fact they lined him up on both ends.
I'm thinking TT might draft a DE at #9, the 3 top LT's might be gone.

Michael Johnson had only one year of good college play. Looks the part but unworthy of a #9 pick. Orakpo is a tweener that can be dominated at the point of attack. Workout warrior but imo not worthy of a #9 pick.

Jackson seems to have an upside but is a major risk due to work ethic. After Justin Harrell (which I thought was a good pick and eventually pans out) TT may be hesitant to select a d-lineman with major issues.

Orkapo is 6-4, 260 lbs, how is that a tweener? He led the NCAA in sacks despite being hurt, was productive all 4 years, and has a list of awards as long as your arm. http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.c...o_brian00.html Look, I know Wolf got burned with Jamal Reynolds but that doesn't mean you never draft a DE in the first round again, Orkapo is the best DE prospect in the draft. Critics said Justin Tuck was a "tweener" before the draft too, that's how the Giants got him in the 3rd round.

[up_packer_fan]

Wolf was burned by a DE from Florida State. The NFL is littered with undersized DE from FSU who flopped. Please stay away from Everette Brown. Orkapo would be a good choice at #9.

[rbaloha1]

Wolf was burned by a DE from Florida State. The NFL is littered with undersized DE from FSU who flopped. Please stay away from Everette Brown. Orkapo would be a good choice at #9.

Orakpo makes me nervous. Although still unsure of Jermey Thompson.

[Charles Woodson]

Wolf was burned by a DE from Florida State. The NFL is littered with undersized DE from FSU who flopped. Please stay away from Everette Brown. Orkapo would be a good choice at #9.

Id take brown over orkapo because i feel orkapo is a workout warrior who wont produce in the next level... imo bad pick to take him at 9

[Partial]

Wolf was burned by a DE from Florida State. The NFL is littered with undersized DE from FSU who flopped. Please stay away from Everette Brown. Orkapo would be a good choice at #9.

Id take brown over orkapo because i feel orkapo is a workout warrior who wont produce in the next level... imo bad pick to take him at 9

As a local how do you feel about Brown? Obviously our tv coverage is limited. I don't like him, but you and BH get to see those guys more. What do you think?

[rbaloha1]

Wolf was burned by a DE from Florida State. The NFL is littered with undersized DE from FSU who flopped. Please stay away from Everette Brown. Orkapo would be a good choice at #9.

Id take brown over orkapo because i feel orkapo is a workout warrior who wont produce in the next level... imo bad pick to take him at 9

Agree about Orakpo. Unsure of Brown but the Jamal Reynolds fiasco still lingers.

[BZnDallas]

TT conformed to conventional wisdom in 2006. Everyone saw the Hawk pick coming. A few were disappointed that we didn't get Vernon Davis, but that was one case of VD I'm glad we didn't get.

just wondering, is there a case of VD you would want to get???...

[RashanGary]

I believe very strongly in Everette Brown. I'm tempered a little by the arguement that FSU plays a DE friendly scheme, but watching Brown play it's more than that. He's dominate in the way he pushes up field or inside and then makes his counter move when the opposition is off balance. I saw him toss a 320 lb Wisconsin OG 2 yards with one arm. Of course he got him moving in the direction first with his explosive first step, but he still bitch slapped a monster. I don't remember seeing Kamerion Wimbley ever do that.

I'm just a big fan. I see him play and I see a dominate NFL pass rusher. His frame is big too. He's not heavy now, but he's a big kid. He has a big frame but more importantly, he plays with leverage and a knack for dominating the guy in front of him. He'll be more than big enough in the NFL. He has a lot of room to grow. Osuckpo has something like 18 sacks in 4 years. Brown has 24 or something like that in three. AFter his senior year he could have had over 40 sacks (unheard of in college). Productive player. Impressive player. I'm still in his corner, although I'm open to several other players too.

[cheesner]

TT conformed to conventional wisdom in 2006. Everyone saw the Hawk pick coming. A few were disappointed that we didn't get Vernon Davis, but that was one case of VD I'm glad we didn't get.

just wondering, is there a case of VD you would want to get???...

No, but there are some women who are worth it.

[packrulz]

I believe very strongly in Everette Brown. I'm tempered a little by the arguement that FSU plays a DE friendly scheme, but watching Brown play it's more than that. He's dominate in the way he pushes up field or inside and then makes his counter move when the opposition is off balance. I saw him toss a 320 lb Wisconsin OG 2 yards with one arm. Of course he got him moving in the direction first with his explosive first step, but he still bitch slapped a monster. I don't remember seeing Kamerion Wimbley ever do that.

I'm just a big fan. I see him play and I see a dominate NFL pass rusher. His frame is big too. He's not heavy now, but he's a big kid. He has a big frame but more importantly, he plays with leverage and a knack for dominating the guy in front of him. He'll be more than big enough in the NFL. He has a lot of room to grow. Osuckpo has something like 18 sacks in 4 years. Brown has 24 or something like that in three. AFter his senior year he could have had over 40 sacks (unheard of in college). Productive player. Impressive player. I'm still in his corner, although I'm open to several other players too.

Brown can add 10-15lbs of muscle, but I'm not sure he fits what the Packers want to do on defense, he would fit better in a 3-4 defense. He is a top candidate though, he's got skills. I don't know what your beef is with Orakpo, he plays hurt and produced all 4 years, I like the fact that he lifts weights, he won't have to "catch up" in the pros, he should produce his first year: Bench presses 515 lbs., squats 600 lbs. and power cleans 380 lbs. ... also has gained 50 lbs. of muscle while maintaining eight percent body fat ... posted 125 tackles (88 solo), 19.5 sacks, 34 TFL, 55 pressures, six PBD, five forced fumbles and a fumble recovery during his career.
Personally, I'd rather TT sign Peppers and draft a LT at #9 but I doubt that will happen.