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Originally posted by mission
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Why bad news? I like Taylor Mays too...at #9 the Packers should have so much flexability that I don't think they can make a pick I dont like. To get locked in to one guy this early on, and with Ted Thompson drafting, is just short-sighted and stupid.Originally posted by rbaloha
I'd be happy with Mays at 9, one of the LT's, Michael Johnson or VD and Jenkins. A trade down for Raji, Smith, or a hand full of the other prospects that don't grade out @ 9 is also certainly plausable. Hell, I'll give you 3 to 1 odds that Mays isn't the pick, but that's only because of the multitude of ways that the Packers can go with this pick."I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince LombardiComment
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Mays hasn't declared yet, as far as I've heard. Plus, we haven't had the combine, the senior bowl, or any of the standard pre-draft machinations that cause guys to move around.
If Raji dominates in the senior bowl, and Mays runs poorly at the combine, then Raji will look like solid in the top 15 and Mays may end up a late first rounder. A lot can happen between now and April.</delurk>Comment
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Mays is ineligible for the Senior Bowl. By accounts Mays runs in the 4.3 range which is amazing for a man at his size. Dude hits well, solid tackler and great in coverage.Originally posted by Lurker64
USC guys generally test well at the combine. Extremely unlikely he drops to a late first rounder.
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I didn't say that Mays was playing in the senior bowl. I said that "if he runs poorly in the combine" he will slip. This is true of almost anybody. Also, USC is notorious for having a fast track. Almost everybody who has ever played for USC runs faster on their track than they do at the combine. So I wouldn't trust "accounts." I will trust the combine (not that 40 times aren't terribly overrated.)Originally posted by rbaloha
But regardless... the guy actually needs to declare for the draft before we can anoint him as the pick. USC guys may be notable for being fast, but they're also notable for sometimes staying in school when they're already top 10 picks because hell... playing in Southern Cal when the team is good and being one of the stars really might be more fun than wherever they end up in the draft.
Plus, remember this is Thompson. Thompson almost never takes the guy you expect him to pick. I wouldn't bet on anybody. Plus, if Mays is so good and he declares, who's to say he's even there at #9? Remember, Al Davis is drafting ahead of us. With the Cryptkeeper, it's plausible that anything could happen. The man does reliably take whichever guy runs the fastest, jumps the highest, etc. If he declares, Mays could very likely end up #7, regardless of what Oakland really needs. They didn't need a RB last year when they took McFadden, after all.
It's waaaaaaay to early for this. At this time, a three years ago, we were debating (on JSO) whether or not A.J. Hawk or Mario Williams should be the pick. Turns out that whether or not the Mario supporters were right, it was irrelevant since we never had a chance to draft him.</delurk>Comment
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Michael Oher is becoming very intriguing to me. I'm a huge fan of Eugene Monroe, but I think he'll be gone before we pick. Oher is an extremely powerful and athletic big man. He has the talent to be the best player in this draft according to reports, but his intelligence is a question.
If you think he's smart enough to get it and has the eye of the tiger (wants to work and study hard) then I think he could be well worth the #9 pick. He could end up being that superstud that plows holes in the run game and neutralizes DE's in the pass game. Certainly he's a very intriguing prospect. He's the type of player that if he pans out everyone says "Obviously this guy was a fucking man-beast. We all knew he was going to dominate" and if he fails everyone says "We all knew he was a dummy. TT is a retard for picking him". That's my favorite thing about forums, everyone talking big shit in hindsight. I can never get enough of that type of arrogance. We're all top tier GM's in our own little minds and I wouldn't want it any other way.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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I agree he's interesting. But read your post again and ask yourself if he sounds like a Ted pick. With four first rounders I'd say Ted has picked a smart, hard-working, ultra-productive player three times. In other words, he played it safe. Harrell was riskier as he was coming off a serious injury. And my guess would be that picking higher in the draft would make Ted more conservative, not less.Originally posted by JustinHarrell
The interviews at the combine will be important for a guy like Oher. It sounds like he's a good kid from a really rough background. Is it really a question of intelligence, or is he just unpolished and playing catch-up? He could still have a huge upside if he steps up the mental part of the game. But he's still a risk.
So again I come back to guys like Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe. Who else seems safe? Jenkins or Curry if they fall to #9. Maybe Mays.#14Comment
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He's played a lot of really good football against the best college talent. He's an extremely gifted athlete with rare lower body power. He showed some maturity going back to school in my opinion. He's started all 4 years in the SEC. I don't know, is he that big of a risk?
Overview
Oher (pronounced "Oar") arrived at Ole Miss with much fanfare -- partially because of his mammoth body and excellent athleticism and partially due to the Michael Lewis book "The Blind Side" detailing Oher's childhood and recruitment. Despite only two years of high school football -- one year on the offensive line -- he was named a Freshman All-American as a starter at right guard in 2005, then a second-team All-SEC left tackle as a sophomore before garnering first-team honors as a junior. Oher considered going pro, but returned intent on improving his run blocking and overall physicality. Oher raised his draft stock, earning All-American accolades along the way. Oher may not be able to duplicate Jake Long's feat of being the first player drafted overall, but many NFL scouts believe he is the draft's top talent.
Analysis
Positives: Prototypical left tackle build. ... Has good height and excellent athleticism. ... Unlike some left tackles, he has girth in his lower body. ... Uses his long arms to lock onto the defender to nullify the pass rush. ... Gets into his pass set quickly and has very good lateral movement. ... Not fooled by dancing on the line. ... Shows the feet to pull inside, get to either shoulder as a run blocker and nullify linebackers outside on screen passes. ... Sustains and mirrors as long as possible and will play through the whistle. ... Improvement as a run blocker as a senior. Began to play with more aggression and physicality at the second level. ... An ascending talent who should only get better.
Negatives: Only has three years experience at left tackle and is still learning the game. ... A better pass blocker than power-run blocker, as he does not consistently get great push off the edge. ... Needs more consistency in using his punch, which can be devastating against rush ends. ... Can be beaten in pass protection by quicker hands. ... Loses balance when lunging in pass pro. ... A bit tentative in the open field. ... Gets a bit lazy moving his feet when the play is run away from him and could stand to gain more stamina. ... Does not always adjust to outside blitzes, but handles inside pressure just fine. ... Has a very quiet, passive demeanor that some many characterize as lacking passion.
2007 Season
Named Fourth Team All-America by Phil Steele … Consensus First Team All-SEC selection … Named Mid-Season All-America first team by The Sporting News and a fourth team by Phil Steele, who also listed him on his All-SEC first team … Started all 12 games at left tackle… Helped pave the way for Green-Ellis’ 1,137 rushing yards, which ranks second on the school’s single-season chart … Earned his third letter … vs. Missouri (9/8): Helped the Rebels pile up their most yards since 2004 with 534, including 229 on the ground … vs. Florida (9/22): Earned the Rebel Quarterback Club Trench Award of the Week … vs. Arkansas (10/20): Earned the Rebel Quarterback Club Trench Award of the Week … vs. LSU (11/17): Helped the offense amass 466 total yards and 201 rushing … Earned the Rebel Quarterback Club Trench Award of the Week … Helped the Rebels not allow a sack against Georgia (9/29) and Northwestern State (11/3) … Preseason: Selected 2007 preseason first team All-America and All-SEC by Blue Ribbon College Football Yearbook and Lindy’s and third team by nationalchamps.net … Also selected by Lindy’s as the nation’s No. 3 offensive tackle and the SEC’s Best Run Blocker … Named to 2007 Outland Trophy (best interior lineman) preseason “Watch List” … Selected to the 2007 preseason All-SEC first team by The Sporting News and The Birmingham News and second team All-SEC by Athlon.
2006 Season
Earned second team All-SEC honors from the league’s coaches ... Has started 22 consecutive games over the last two seasons ... Started all 12 games at LT ... As a blocker helped BenJarvus Green-Ellis become the third 1,000-yard runner in Ole Miss history and record four 100-yard rushing games ... Earned his second letter ... vs. Memphis (9/3): As a blocker helped the Rebels run for a season-high 240 yards ... at Missouri (9/9): ... Named Rebel QB Club Trench Player of the Week for his performance ... vs. #9/10 Georgia (9/30): Started on offensive line that helped BenJarvus Green-Ellis run for a career-high 135 yards ... at Alabama (10/14): Named Rebel QB Club Trench Player of the Week for his performance ... vs. Northwestern State (11/4): Helped the Rebels roll up a season-high 401 yards of total offense ... Chosen preseason First Team All-SEC by Phipps Football Magazines and Second Team All-SEC by The Sporting News and Lindy’s.
2005 Season
Earned First Team Freshman All-America honors from Rivals.com and The Sporting News and Third Team distinction from CollegeFootballNews.com ... Named First Team Freshman All-SEC by the SEC Coaches and The Sporting News ... Played in all 11 games, starting the last 10 at right guard ... Helped pave the way for RB Mico McSwain to establish an Ole Miss freshman rushing record with 612 yards and three 100-yard performances ... Earned his first letter ... at Vanderbilt (9/17): Helped the Rebels pile up a season-high 400 yards of total offense .... vs. Wyoming (9/24): Helped McSwain record his first 100-yard ... vs. Wyoming (9/24): Helped McSwain record his first 100-yard rushing performance with a season-high 114 and a TD.
vs. Citadel (10.8): Helped the Rebel offense tally 366 yards of offense and McSwain notch his second 100-yard game of the year ... vs. Alabama (10/15): Received Rebel Quarterback Club Player of the Week Trench Award ... Helped the offensive line not allow a sack ... vs. Kentucky (10/22): Offensive line does not allow a sack for the second straight week ... Rebel offense totals 361 yards and McSwain reaches 100-yard plateau for third time.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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Mays is staying at USC for his senior season, according to this story.
He has a couple of days to change his mind, but at this rate it looks like another guy we might take isn't going to be available.
So right now I'm definitely leaning towards "It's going to be an OT" though I wouldn't rule out Jenkins or one of the DL, though many of the DEs have significant question marks. Knowing Thompson, though, this means the pick will almost certainly be a running back.</delurk>Comment
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Here's a clip of Tyson Jackson, I think he will be a good pro, like a healthy Jenkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YssdMgoWYE
Here's a clip of Orakpo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN2rN...eature=related
On the int they had 3 down lineman, he has good size, I think he'll be good.
Here's one of Michael Johnson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q_tb...eature=related
He has good size/speed, but he really only had one good year, I like the fact they lined him up on both ends.
I'm thinking TT might draft a DE at #9, the 3 top LT's might be gone.Thanks Ted!Comment
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Michael Johnson had only one year of good college play. Looks the part but unworthy of a #9 pick. Orakpo is a tweener that can be dominated at the point of attack. Workout warrior but imo not worthy of a #9 pick.Originally posted by packrulz
Jackson seems to have an upside but is a major risk due to work ethic. After Justin Harrell (which I thought was a good pick and eventually pans out) TT may be hesitant to select a d-lineman with major issues.Comment
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Bad news for the Packers as now 2 potential impact defensive players are unavailable for the draft.Originally posted by Lurker64
Unable to determine if the left tackles are worthy of a #9 pick. Possibly reaches.
Numerous lower rated juniors are declaring with more still deciding. Its possible the best move is to move down and land solid player like a left tackle or Brandon Spikes (undeclared).
Although TT rarely moves up is this the year with 4 picks in the top 100 to land a big time impact player by moving up?Comment
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I don't see the "impact players" being disproportionally found in the top 5 picks. More likely, yes, but given the high price tag, too often those picks hurt their teams more than they help. Trade down anytime you can get anything of decent value, there will still be impact players available, and they cost less.Originally posted by rbalohaComment
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Just for fun, I looked around at the most recent mock drafts online. There's a lot of different opinions about who the Packers will take. I don't have much idea which of these sources is the most reliable, but here you go:
1. Football'sFuture.com, Joe Montgomery and Jamaal Steady predict Michael Johnson, DE, Ga. Tech.
2. FFToolbox and The Football Expert (Michael Abramowitz) predict Brian Orapko, DE, Texas.
3. NFLDraftDog and NFL MockDraftAces predict Jason Smith, OT, Baylor.
4. Draft King predicts Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State.
5. NFL Draft Site predicts Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinnati.Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another.
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Considering that the bust rate for top 10 OTs is the lowest of any position (in the last 20 years there has been precisely one), and there are four OTs who could probably go in the top 4 this year, none of the top guys are a reach. If Smith, Smith, Oher, and Monroe are all gone then yes, an OT at #9 is a reach, but that's why you don't count your chickens before you're on the clock (*cough* "Mays is the pick" *cough*).Originally posted by rbaloha
Plus, I mean it's not like we're not staring at having to replace two offensive tackles.
Plus, considering it doesn't match the dominant opinion of the fans as to what we "need" means it smacks more and more of a Thompson pick:
2005 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Rodgers.
2006 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Hawk.
2007 we need "a weapon for Favre" and we draft Harrell.
2008 we need "an impact player" (and probably a CB) and Thompson trades out of the first round (and we take a WR).
Who we think is a need and is a value where we're drafting really has very little to do with what TT eventually does.</delurk>Comment
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