Chad Pennington: MVP?

[Pacopete4]

On the other hand, it's not very enjoyable to Favre supporters to see him implode down the stretch, prompting a number of his teammates to say horrible things about him. I would think people do not want to see him keep playing if the man they see is the same man they saw in December.

Find me one Favre supporter that will tell me they don't want to see Brett play again and I'll show you a liar... Packer fans like you don't even deserve all the joy he brought to Packer fans

[Pacopete4]

Actually Paco..............I don't agree. I'd like for Favre to retire before they cart him off the field like they did Big Ben. The only thing is, BB is alot younger, and can bounce back.........I'd really hate for Favre to get injured in any way that might be life altering. As far as watching enjoyment, the first half of the season was fun........the 2nd was like getting a bikini wax..........ouch.

every year we hear the same thing about him getting hurt so bad that he has to be carried off the field... well he just completed another year at age 39 with a brand new offense and new players and the man is still standing even though he took a beating...

[Freak Out]

The Raven defense will make any QB look bad....."MVP" Pennington made some bad decisions to hurt his cause today but the Raven D was pretty damn tough.

[Bossman641]

Actually Paco..............I don't agree. I'd like for Favre to retire before they cart him off the field like they did Big Ben. The only thing is, BB is alot younger, and can bounce back.........I'd really hate for Favre to get injured in any way that might be life altering. As far as watching enjoyment, the first half of the season was fun........the 2nd was like getting a bikini wax..........ouch.

every year we hear the same thing about him getting hurt so bad that he has to be carried off the field... well he just completed another year at age 39 with a brand new offense and new players and the man is still standing even though he took a beating...

It's more than just being able to physically finish the year and be able to walk off the field after week 17. Favre hasn't finished a year strong for a number of years. I'm not saying it's not possible, but the odds are against it and he would really have to bust his ass this offseason.

[BallHawk]

its really only people that hate him, that are sick of him.. whether it be because they dont know a good QB when they see him or think hes a diva or whatever the excuse they have is.. i still love watching him on Sundays and thats more than i can say about watching this years packers team play which is very disheartening..

I don't hate Favre, but he needs to hang 'em up. I thought he should of stayed retired last offseason but he came back and he got traded and I wanted him to do well. And for a while he did. But then, as always, the end of the season came and he fell flat and was a large reason for the Jets implosion and subsequent fall out of the playoffs. I don't wanna see Favre dragged off the field. Everybody would of liked him to go out with a Super Bowl, but that's not gonna happen now. He just needs to get out of football on his own terms before he's forced out of the league. Favre was my childhood hero and I still wish him the best, but he needs to go.

[Pacopete4]

The Raven defense will make any QB look bad....."MVP" Pennington made some bad decisions to hurt his cause today but the Raven D was pretty damn tough.

Now this is just an awesome memory!

Favre
27 of 34, 337 yards, 3 TD's

"The way he played today explains why he's the three-time MVP quarterback," Starks said.

"We couldn't do anything to frustrate him," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "We couldn't blitz him as much as we wanted to and hit him in the backfield because he was getting the ball off going downfield. We couldn't get him off his game. And that's what we usually do to a quarterback. But Brett didn't allow us to do that."

"Brett keeps things alive," Ravens coach Brian Billick said. "That's part of his magic. He has the knack to break contain, back away and wait until the last second and make a throw. He's a phenomenal athlete, and they made the big plays when they needed to. They have a Hall of Fame quarterback and deserved to win today."

He shredded the Ravens' secondary with 17 completions to wide receivers - picking on cornerback Chris McAlister at times deep - and three passes of more than 36 yards. Against a defense that hadn't allowed a touchdown drive of more than 33 yards, Favre engineered ones of 74, 80 and 82 yards.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

The Raven defense will make any QB look bad....."MVP" Pennington made some bad decisions to hurt his cause today but the Raven D was pretty damn tough.

Now this is just an awesome memory!

Favre
27 of 34, 337 yards, 3 TD's

"The way he played today explains why he's the three-time MVP quarterback," Starks said.

"We couldn't do anything to frustrate him," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "We couldn't blitz him as much as we wanted to and hit him in the backfield because he was getting the ball off going downfield. We couldn't get him off his game. And that's what we usually do to a quarterback. But Brett didn't allow us to do that."

"Brett keeps things alive," Ravens coach Brian Billick said. "That's part of his magic. He has the knack to break contain, back away and wait until the last second and make a throw. He's a phenomenal athlete, and they made the big plays when they needed to. They have a Hall of Fame quarterback and deserved to win today."

He shredded the Ravens' secondary with 17 completions to wide receivers - picking on cornerback Chris McAlister at times deep - and three passes of more than 36 yards. Against a defense that hadn't allowed a touchdown drive of more than 33 yards, Favre engineered ones of 74, 80 and 82 yards.

Wow that's nice, I remember that too! But this is a thread discussing Chad Pennington, I'm sure they'd love that memory in the Favre thread.

[Bossman641]

The Raven defense will make any QB look bad....."MVP" Pennington made some bad decisions to hurt his cause today but the Raven D was pretty damn tough.

Now this is just an awesome memory!

Favre
27 of 34, 337 yards, 3 TD's

"The way he played today explains why he's the three-time MVP quarterback," Starks said.

"We couldn't do anything to frustrate him," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "We couldn't blitz him as much as we wanted to and hit him in the backfield because he was getting the ball off going downfield. We couldn't get him off his game. And that's what we usually do to a quarterback. But Brett didn't allow us to do that."

"Brett keeps things alive," Ravens coach Brian Billick said. "That's part of his magic. He has the knack to break contain, back away and wait until the last second and make a throw. He's a phenomenal athlete, and they made the big plays when they needed to. They have a Hall of Fame quarterback and deserved to win today."

He shredded the Ravens' secondary with 17 completions to wide receivers - picking on cornerback Chris McAlister at times deep - and three passes of more than 36 yards. Against a defense that hadn't allowed a touchdown drive of more than 33 yards, Favre engineered ones of 74, 80 and 82 yards.

Paco you can do better than that. Isn't that from 2001 when the Packers played the Ravens? How is that relevant at all?

I could just as easily post the Packer Ravens game from 2005 when the Pack lost 48-3 and Favre played like shit as evidence that Favre sucks. Point being, it doesn't show anything.

[vince]

I think Vince summed it up best, said exactly what i was going to say..

Partial your statement of Ronnie brown is more valuable to the team then Pennington shows your lack of intellectual thinking..
Think of this, with Ronnie brown out, at least you have a more then capable back in Ricky Williams,
Where as Pennington goes down, and so does your season...
Pennington wont win you over with flashy stats or huge plays, but his ability to come through when needed, and protect the football makes him the dolphins MVP

Vince i agree with you that one of those 3 running backs should have won the award, Manning had one of his worst years since 2001 and he still won it...

I'm saying the wildcat and a strong running attack had more to do with the resurgence than Pennington. That Wild Cat certainly won them a few games early in the season (The Patriots game comes to mind where everyone was shocked when Brown took the first direct snap).

Pennington has his moments where he is solid, but he doesn't have the talent of an Aaron Rodgers, Peyton or Eli Manning, etc. What that means is he isn't a playmaker at the position, and as a result he cannot single-handedly carry a team.

Partial...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you ignore the facts previously established which disprove your statements about Pennington and try to justify your position using one game where an outmatched team struggled in all aspects.

By that logic, you'd look at Favre's huge interception game against the Rams in the playoffs to discredit his career. Obviously that is faulty logic, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Obviously the Phins were outmatched against the 2nd ranked defense in the league and the league's leading INT and turnover defense. The Dolphins wide-outs couldn't get separation to save their life today and were blanketed all day long. And that vaunted Wildcat rushing attack that made such a huge difference netted the Dolphins the 17th ranked rushing attack at 4.2 ypc this year.

Chad Pennington, without a strong receiving corps, took over a 1-15 team and took them to the playoffs in one year. That's making a difference. His career history is littered with situations where his presence (when healthy) making a significant difference in his team's wins and losses relative to his predecessor and/or replacement when injured. His history includes some big playoff wins and strong performances, for marginal teams. His teammates overwhelmingly attribute their resurgence to Pennington as being the biggest difference-maker.

But you roll on the floor laughing at the very idea. You know more about the situation then they do. I shouldn't mention anything about the combination of arrogance and ignorance necessary to make such statements - particularly in the face of such a preponderance of contradicting facts.

[Pacopete4]

The Raven defense will make any QB look bad....."MVP" Pennington made some bad decisions to hurt his cause today but the Raven D was pretty damn tough.

Now this is just an awesome memory!

Favre
27 of 34, 337 yards, 3 TD's

"The way he played today explains why he's the three-time MVP quarterback," Starks said.

"We couldn't do anything to frustrate him," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "We couldn't blitz him as much as we wanted to and hit him in the backfield because he was getting the ball off going downfield. We couldn't get him off his game. And that's what we usually do to a quarterback. But Brett didn't allow us to do that."

"Brett keeps things alive," Ravens coach Brian Billick said. "That's part of his magic. He has the knack to break contain, back away and wait until the last second and make a throw. He's a phenomenal athlete, and they made the big plays when they needed to. They have a Hall of Fame quarterback and deserved to win today."

He shredded the Ravens' secondary with 17 completions to wide receivers - picking on cornerback Chris McAlister at times deep - and three passes of more than 36 yards. Against a defense that hadn't allowed a touchdown drive of more than 33 yards, Favre engineered ones of 74, 80 and 82 yards.

Paco you can do better than that. Isn't that from 2001 when the Packers played the Ravens? How is that relevant at all?

I could just as easily post the Packer Ravens game from 2005 when the Pack lost 48-3 and Favre played like shit as evidence that Favre sucks. Point being, it doesn't show anything.

I didn't post it to prove anything to anyone... I posted it cuz the comment he made, made me remember that game... not sure what your point is? But if you must, go ahead and post the Favre bashing material... thats cool with me

[Bossman641]

I think Vince summed it up best, said exactly what i was going to say..

Partial your statement of Ronnie brown is more valuable to the team then Pennington shows your lack of intellectual thinking..
Think of this, with Ronnie brown out, at least you have a more then capable back in Ricky Williams,
Where as Pennington goes down, and so does your season...
Pennington wont win you over with flashy stats or huge plays, but his ability to come through when needed, and protect the football makes him the dolphins MVP

Vince i agree with you that one of those 3 running backs should have won the award, Manning had one of his worst years since 2001 and he still won it...

I'm saying the wildcat and a strong running attack had more to do with the resurgence than Pennington. That Wild Cat certainly won them a few games early in the season (The Patriots game comes to mind where everyone was shocked when Brown took the first direct snap).

Pennington has his moments where he is solid, but he doesn't have the talent of an Aaron Rodgers, Peyton or Eli Manning, etc. What that means is he isn't a playmaker at the position, and as a result he cannot single-handedly carry a team.

Partial...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you ignore the facts previously established which disprove your statements about Pennington and try to justify your position using one game where an outmatched team struggled in all aspects.

By that logic, you'd look at Favre's huge interception game against the Rams in the playoffs to discredit his career. Obviously that is faulty logic, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Obviously the Phins were outmatched against the 2nd ranked defense in the league and the league's leading INT and turnover defense. The Dolphins wide-outs couldn't get separation to save their life today and were blanketed all day long. And that vaunted Wildcat rushing attack that made such a huge difference netted the Dolphins the 17th ranked rushing attack at 4.2 ypc this year.

Chad Pennington, without a strong receiving corps, took over a 1-15 team and took them to the playoffs in one year. That's making a difference. His career history is littered with situations where his presence (when healthy) making a significant difference in his team's wins and losses relative to his predecessor and/or replacement when injured. His history includes some big playoff wins and strong performances, for marginal teams. His teammates overwhelmingly attribute their resurgence to Pennington as being the biggest difference-maker.

But you roll on the floor laughing at the very idea. You know more about the situation then they do. I shouldn't mention anything about the combination of arrogance and ignorance necessary to make such statements - particularly in the face of such a preponderance of contradicting facts.

Partial if you disagree with this post please take it to PM.

[BallHawk]

In this thread: Paco's attempt to prove Favre superior fails and when he faces scrutiny he states that he posted the stats and game summary just for the hell of it.

Well-played, Paco.

[Pacopete4]

The Raven defense will make any QB look bad....."MVP" Pennington made some bad decisions to hurt his cause today but the Raven D was pretty damn tough.

2005 vs Packers

Favre 14 for 29, 144 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's
Rodgers 8 for 16, 65 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT



Happy Bossman?

[Bossman641]

The Raven defense will make any QB look bad....."MVP" Pennington made some bad decisions to hurt his cause today but the Raven D was pretty damn tough.

Now this is just an awesome memory!

Favre
27 of 34, 337 yards, 3 TD's

"The way he played today explains why he's the three-time MVP quarterback," Starks said.

"We couldn't do anything to frustrate him," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "We couldn't blitz him as much as we wanted to and hit him in the backfield because he was getting the ball off going downfield. We couldn't get him off his game. And that's what we usually do to a quarterback. But Brett didn't allow us to do that."

"Brett keeps things alive," Ravens coach Brian Billick said. "That's part of his magic. He has the knack to break contain, back away and wait until the last second and make a throw. He's a phenomenal athlete, and they made the big plays when they needed to. They have a Hall of Fame quarterback and deserved to win today."

He shredded the Ravens' secondary with 17 completions to wide receivers - picking on cornerback Chris McAlister at times deep - and three passes of more than 36 yards. Against a defense that hadn't allowed a touchdown drive of more than 33 yards, Favre engineered ones of 74, 80 and 82 yards.

Paco you can do better than that. Isn't that from 2001 when the Packers played the Ravens? How is that relevant at all?

I could just as easily post the Packer Ravens game from 2005 when the Pack lost 48-3 and Favre played like shit as evidence that Favre sucks. Point being, it doesn't show anything.

I didn't post it to prove anything to anyone... I posted it cuz the comment he made, made me remember that game... not sure what your point is? But if you must, go ahead and post the Favre bashing material... thats cool with me

Ah OK I see. Couldn't figure out what relevance a 2001 game had to Pennington or the 2008 Ravens.

That was a great game though, one that I'd enjoy watching again.

[Pacopete4]

In this thread: Paco's attempt to prove Favre superior fails and when he faces scrutiny he states that he posted the stats and game summary just for the hell of it.

Well-played, Paco.

I didn't post it for the hell of it... I posted it cuz Favre took down one of the best defenses in the past 10 years... get over it Ballhawk, my god