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    Why did McCarthy fire most of the staff?

    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/37094594.html


    Interesting read. They speculate that Mike Nolan is the leading candidate, and that McCarthy fired everybody that had roots in Sanders scheme. They speculate that the Packers will bring in somebody that runs a completely different system, and then that DC will bring in guys that can teach that system.

    I'd prefer somebody that runs a 4-3 blitzing scheme or even a 3-4, if they think they can make the personnel work. The more I think about it, Kampman might be the one guy that won't fit well. Our smaller DL (Hunter, Thompson) seem like they might be able to fit a 3-4 as pass rushing OLBs. Please, no Marinelli. I don't want any part of the Tampa cover 2 (or its many variations).
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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    I hope not. That sets the team back by a year, at least. You've got to draft a whole 'nother kind of player, and then teach it and practice it and all that.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Fritz
      I hope not. That sets the team back by a year, at least. You've got to draft a whole 'nother kind of player, and then teach it and practice it and all that.
      Is Mike Nolan definitely a 3-4 guy? As I recall, in San Francisco they were running a combination of 4-3 looks and 3-4 looks. Running 3-4 occasionally as a wrinkle, and not as a base defense, might not be the worst thing in the world.
      </delurk>

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      • #4
        Don't really know, lurker. I thought I'd read he was a 3-4 guy. I could be wrong.
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

        KYPack

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        • #5
          I think Lurker is right. I'm not sure what Nolan's base defense was, but I thought he used 3-4 and 4-3.
          Go PACK

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fritz
            I hope not. That sets the team back by a year, at least. You've got to draft a whole 'nother kind of player, and then teach it and practice it and all that.
            I wouldn't worry so much about that. The Packers, even totally healthy on D are only about average really. They need some new guys in there that can play line and linebacker. Good players will make most decent schemes look very good, even in the first year.

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            • #7
              I used to coach a little basketball, back in the day, and the thinking then was to use a system that fit the talent at hand. Adapt the scheme to the players.
              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

              KYPack

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              • #8
                This seems like a good place to bring up Chuck Cecil. Not a DC but on the sideline in green and gold in some capacity.
                Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                • #9
                  Pure speculation, but what if it is the 3-4 defense? Jenkins can play in it as a DE. I personally think Pickett would be fine as the NT. Kampman is a question mark. Can he get big enough for DE and become the Packers Aaron Smith? Possibly. Is he athletic enough to play pass rushing OLB? Probably not. Hunter and Thompson seem to have ideal qualities as pass rushing OLBs. I don't see Montgomery fitting the scheme, and he'd likely be gone. He's about as big as Kampman is now, but he's not nearly as stout in the run game. Could Jolly and Harrell fit as DEs in a 3-4?

                  Barnett and Chillar are question marks. I think Hawk could play in the 3-4. I think Poppinga could play in the 3-4. If the Packers go to a 3-4, I could see a the big Boston College NT or the USC LB as being the pick at #9. Bart Scott is available in UFA.
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • #10
                    I posted this in the Gullickson thread, think it applies here as well. We'll see. I still think Moss ends up being the guy....

                    Prepare Three Envelopes

                    A fellow had just been hired as the new CEO of a large high tech corporation. The CEO who was stepping down met with him privately and presented him with three numbered envelopes. "Open these if you run up against a problem you don't think you can solve," he said.

                    Well, things went along pretty smoothly, but six months later, sales took a downturn and he was really catching a lot of heat. About at his wit's end, he remembered the envelopes. He went to his drawer and took out the first envelope. The message read, "Blame your predecessor."

                    The new CEO called a press conference and tactfully laid the blame at the feet of the previous CEO. Satisfied with his comments, the press -- and Wall Street - responded positively, sales began to pick up and the problem was soon behind him.

                    About a year later, the company was again experiencing a slight dip in sales, combined with serious product problems. Having learned from his previous experience, the CEO quickly opened the second envelope. The message read, "Reorganize." This he did, and the company quickly rebounded.

                    After several consecutive profitable quarters, the company once again fell on difficult times. The CEO went to his office, closed the door and opened the third envelope.

                    The message said, "Prepare three envelopes."
                    McCarthy just opened envelope #2....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                      Pure speculation, but what if it is the 3-4 defense? Jenkins can play in it as a DE. I personally think Pickett would be fine as the NT. Kampman is a question mark. Can he get big enough for DE and become the Packers Aaron Smith? Possibly. Is he athletic enough to play pass rushing OLB? Probably not. Hunter and Thompson seem to have ideal qualities as pass rushing OLBs. I don't see Montgomery fitting the scheme, and he'd likely be gone. He's about as big as Kampman is now, but he's not nearly as stout in the run game. Could Jolly and Harrell fit as DEs in a 3-4?

                      Barnett and Chillar are question marks. I think Hawk could play in the 3-4. I think Poppinga could play in the 3-4. If the Packers go to a 3-4, I could see a the big Boston College NT or the USC LB as being the pick at #9. Bart Scott is available in UFA.
                      Since I know virtually nothing about defensive schemes, I'll throw out a question that puzzles me. Could GB adapt to a 3-4 and continue to use the "bump & run" secondary with Harris/Woodson? Or does moving to a 3-4 necessitate a change in secondary coverage?

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                      • #12
                        I was listening to Chmura talk about the D coordinator on his radio show last week. Chmura's take is that schemes are not the problem. He wants to see a more firey personality in the position, preferably a guy who has played in the NFL before (he mentioned Ron Rivera) who the players will be more movitated and excited by.

                        Maybe that's right. There are a couple different ways to skin a cat, (altho most methods start with an abdominal incisision) For instance, Jim Jones in Philly is no firebrand. But maybe the team needs a kick.

                        Watching Minnesota play defense yesterday was impressive.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sheepshead
                          This seems like a good place to bring up Chuck Cecil. Not a DC but on the sideline in green and gold in some capacity.
                          He would be a quality assassin - or a personal body guard for Ted Thompson. The job descriptions are the same.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by retailguy
                            I posted this in the Gullickson thread, think it applies here as well. We'll see. I still think Moss ends up being the guy....

                            Prepare Three Envelopes

                            A fellow had just been hired as the new CEO of a large high tech corporation. The CEO who was stepping down met with him privately and presented him with three numbered envelopes. "Open these if you run up against a problem you don't think you can solve," he said.

                            Well, things went along pretty smoothly, but six months later, sales took a downturn and he was really catching a lot of heat. About at his wit's end, he remembered the envelopes. He went to his drawer and took out the first envelope. The message read, "Blame your predecessor."

                            The new CEO called a press conference and tactfully laid the blame at the feet of the previous CEO. Satisfied with his comments, the press -- and Wall Street - responded positively, sales began to pick up and the problem was soon behind him.

                            About a year later, the company was again experiencing a slight dip in sales, combined with serious product problems. Having learned from his previous experience, the CEO quickly opened the second envelope. The message read, "Reorganize." This he did, and the company quickly rebounded.

                            After several consecutive profitable quarters, the company once again fell on difficult times. The CEO went to his office, closed the door and opened the third envelope.

                            The message said, "Prepare three envelopes."
                            McCarthy just opened envelope #2....
                            Good story. I like it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by retailguy
                              Since I know virtually nothing about defensive schemes, I'll throw out a question that puzzles me. Could GB adapt to a 3-4 and continue to use the "bump & run" secondary with Harris/Woodson? Or does moving to a 3-4 necessitate a change in secondary coverage?
                              Yes and no. Like a 4-3, depending on the scheme, you can use man (bump or off) or zone (off) coverage. Tampa cover 2 has the corners playing mostly zone/off. The Dallas cover 2 (or whatever it's called) has the corners playing mostly man/bump. Similarly, in a 3-4, you can play either zone or man (bump or off). I think the best defenses can mix it up, but you have to play to your strengths. Woodson could play either system. Harris would get killed playing off coverage.
                              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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