Justin Harrell

[wist43]

1st round back ups... that pick sure worked out

[Packnut]

Re: Justin Harrell

I hope he can drop some weight and make it back. Where'd you come across this info Patler?

I don't think weight is a problem for him. They mentioned toward the end of last season that his weight was down about 10 pounds from what they had hoped he could stay at while rehabbing. The trainers commented about how hard and long he worked to do it, and he lost weight in spite of having been very limited in what he could do while rehabbing his back. My recollection is that he had gotten back down to about what he played at in college

Where did I get the information? Bits and pieces found in blogs and a few articles about the defense the past week or so, mostly GBPG and JSO.

It's good to hear that he's lost weight even while limited in what he can do. I think it might have been you Patler who has pointed out consistently to the bashers who call him lazy that he's always been a hard worker...

I have to believe playing DE at 300 vs. trying to bulk up and stay at 320 as a 4-3 DT would be better for him with his condition.

I hadn't seen any of the reports about how he (if healthy) is perfectly suited for a 3-4 DE. Thanks for those tidbits.

That's a big hole he could fill if he's able to make it back, and a big hole that needs to be filled if he can't.

After his rookie season, Harrell admitted to going back home and stuffing himself with his mother's cooking. He came back to GB way over-weight and THAT is when he injured his back for the first time. I don't know how you missed the whole thing as it was well documentated in the press. There were also articles about his work habits in his rookie year being "suspect". So the "bashers" as you call them have some facts to back up the "lazy" aspect while we have "your opinion" about how hard he works.

[Patler]

Re: Justin Harrell

I hope he can drop some weight and make it back. Where'd you come across this info Patler?

I don't think weight is a problem for him. They mentioned toward the end of last season that his weight was down about 10 pounds from what they had hoped he could stay at while rehabbing. The trainers commented about how hard and long he worked to do it, and he lost weight in spite of having been very limited in what he could do while rehabbing his back. My recollection is that he had gotten back down to about what he played at in college

Where did I get the information? Bits and pieces found in blogs and a few articles about the defense the past week or so, mostly GBPG and JSO.

It's good to hear that he's lost weight even while limited in what he can do. I think it might have been you Patler who has pointed out consistently to the bashers who call him lazy that he's always been a hard worker...

I have to believe playing DE at 300 vs. trying to bulk up and stay at 320 as a 4-3 DT would be better for him with his condition.

I hadn't seen any of the reports about how he (if healthy) is perfectly suited for a 3-4 DE. Thanks for those tidbits.

That's a big hole he could fill if he's able to make it back, and a big hole that needs to be filled if he can't.

After his rookie season, Harrell admitted to going back home and stuffing himself with his mother's cooking. He came back to GB way over-weight and THAT is when he injured his back for the first time. I don't know how you missed the whole thing as it was well documentated in the press. There were also articles about his work habits in his rookie year being "suspect". So the "bashers" as you call them have some facts to back up the "lazy" aspect while we have "your opinion" about how hard he works.

I'm not going to rehash this whole thing, other than to say:
-he was gone from GB about 6 weeks, how bad could it have been?
-it subsequently came out that he was about 8-10 lbs overweight in MARCH.
-320 pounders "ballooning" to 330 is barely a drop in the bucket.
-its doubtful the extra 10 pounds had anything to do with a weightlifting injury
-since his rookie TC, there have been plenty of comments about how hard he does work, including losing much more weight than they thought he could while doing nothing more strenuous than riding a stationary bike. One of the staff said it was because he spent hours and hours each day at it, much more than they asked him to do.

[Harlan Huckleby]

1st round back ups... that pick sure worked out

I know it sucks, but from where we are sitting now, a good rotation guy would be welcome.

[Fritz]

A back injury is serious business, for sure. I am bummed that it appears that this could be a recurring (and therefore career ending) injury.

I'm rooting for the guy. He seems nice enough, and though none of us truly knows his work habits, he does seem to care about more than his paycheck and his next dinner.

[Lurker64]

1st round back ups... that pick sure worked out

It didn't, but Thompson has historically gotten a lot of flak for always taking the safe pick and never taking a risk on a guy who has the potential to be a real difference maker. In the Harrell pick, Thompson definitely took a chance on a guy who had a shot at being great, and it just hasn't worked out for him.

That's the thing about the draft, sometimes guys just don't work out for you because nobody can see the future. If GMs could see the future, there would be no busts.

[mission]

I definitely agree that we can't count on him for anything from a personnel standpoint. I don't think it can/should affect anything we do in FA/draft ... we made this mistake on the DL last year. if he happens to come through and have a productive season then great, and happy for the kid. But the sliver of swiss in me would never let me bet even a dollar that he's healthy for most of next year.

[bobblehead]

1st round back ups... that pick sure worked out

burger kings nation wide are littered with first round picks, get used to it. Picks bust, if you lament every one of them you will never see the whole picture.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

That is why injured players fall in the draft.

I bicep tear is a long way from a back problem.

I understand that, but I wouldn’t draft a guy unless he has proven he can stay healthy over a long period of time. If I remember correctly Harrell only completed one healthy year during his college career. To be successful in the NFL you have prove that you have talent and can stay healthy. Yes the guy has talent, but for me to take you in the first round you have to be the total package. And picking at 16 there were a lot of other players who had equal talent without the injury history.

[TheCheese]

That is why injured players fall in the draft.

I bicep tear is a long way from a back problem.

I understand that, but I wouldn’t draft a guy unless he has proven he can stay healthy over a long period of time. If I remember correctly Harrell only completed one healthy year during his college career. To be successful in the NFL you have prove that you have talent and can stay healthy. Yes the guy has talent, but for me to take you in the first round you have to be the total package. And picking at 16 there were a lot of other players who had equal talent without the injury history.

Adrian Peterson.

[cheesner]

That is why injured players fall in the draft.

I bicep tear is a long way from a back problem.

I understand that, but I wouldn’t draft a guy unless he has proven he can stay healthy over a long period of time. If I remember correctly Harrell only completed one healthy year during his college career. To be successful in the NFL you have prove that you have talent and can stay healthy. Yes the guy has talent, but for me to take you in the first round you have to be the total package. And picking at 16 there were a lot of other players who had equal talent without the injury history.

Adrian Peterson.

Some of the best counter arguments are very short.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

That is why injured players fall in the draft.

I bicep tear is a long way from a back problem.

I understand that, but I wouldn’t draft a guy unless he has proven he can stay healthy over a long period of time. If I remember correctly Harrell only completed one healthy year during his college career. To be successful in the NFL you have prove that you have talent and can stay healthy. Yes the guy has talent, but for me to take you in the first round you have to be the total package. And picking at 16 there were a lot of other players who had equal talent without the injury history.

Adrian Peterson.

Good for Peterson, obviously ever case is different. But in general that is how I would operate as a GM. I would try to pick the player with the most talent and the highest possible chance at success in the NFL. You may not agree with that, but that is how I would approach it.

[sharpe1027]

That is why injured players fall in the draft.

I bicep tear is a long way from a back problem.

I understand that, but I wouldn’t draft a guy unless he has proven he can stay healthy over a long period of time. If I remember correctly Harrell only completed one healthy year during his college career. To be successful in the NFL you have prove that you have talent and can stay healthy. Yes the guy has talent, but for me to take you in the first round you have to be the total package. And picking at 16 there were a lot of other players who had equal talent without the injury history.

Brett Favre had injury questions stemming from his car accident and was later diagnosed with avascular necrosis, which ended Bo Jackson's career.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Is getting hurt in a car accident the same as consistently getting hurt on the playing field? I don't think it’s the same. Am thinking more of a player like Mike Brown.

[Bossman641]

Is getting hurt in a car accident the same as consistently getting hurt on the playing field? I don't think it’s the same. Am thinking more of a player like Mike Brown.

I understand Brown has been chronically injured in the NFL for the past few years, but he was the exact opposite in college.

Brown started 38 straight games for the Huskers, counting the last two bowl games and served as a team captain in 1999.

He also played in 11 games as a freshmen but didn't start.