Justin Harrell

[Fritz]

First of all, I just wanna say that I would not want to have both Waldo and Patler up my butt on any issue. Partial, you ain't gonna be able to get by just on "truthiness" with those two around.

Second, I agree with KY that two back surgeries and maybe a third is not a good sign for Harrell's future. That seems more than ominous to me.

Third, since Gullickson has been fired, wouldn't it be best to stop blaming Harrell for his injuries and just blame Gullickson for screwing him up in the weight room? We all, myself included, love to blame people for the happenings of the world, and since Gullickson's gone, he's an easy target. Let's throw the Rock under the bus, I say. HE screwed Harrell up, whether he did or not.

Watch Harrell start 16 games this year now that Rock is gone

That's the spirit!

[sharpe1027]

NOw I am unimpressed. As a 24 year old weighing 190lbs I put 225 up 23 times in the only time I ever even tried it....these guys are huge fucking pussies.

Congrats, that is pretty impressive. However, these guys you are calling pussies, I would love to so you get lined up opposite them on the line. I bet your 23 reps would kick their ass up and down the field.

I think most of us realize that there are plenty of guys that can out-lift professional football players, and that wasn't really the point of the discussion.

[bobblehead]

NOw I am unimpressed. As a 24 year old weighing 190lbs I put 225 up 23 times in the only time I ever even tried it....these guys are huge fucking pussies.

Congrats, that is pretty impressive. However, these guys you are calling pussies, I would love to so you get lined up opposite them on the line. I bet your 23 reps would kick their ass up and down the field.

I think most of us realize that there are plenty of guys that can out-lift professional football players, and that wasn't really the point of the discussion.

Very true, the 190 lbs of me wouldn't fare too well. I just wanted to call them pussies from the anonymity of my keyboard :P

[SnakeLH2006]

NOw I am unimpressed. As a 24 year old weighing 190lbs I put 225 up 23 times in the only time I ever even tried it....these guys are huge fucking pussies.

That's pretty strong bruh. I did six reps... but I was a 185 lb QB at 18.

Still, 23... nice.

I agree, those are nice numbers bro. In high school I was prob. 195-200 as a 6'4" Split End and QB. Don't remember what my 225 reps were at but I do remember being one of 5 guys on our team (a good team too even at Div. 6) to make the Super 1000. That involved squats, deadlifts, bench, 40 and mile runs in some super twisted formula to come to 1000 or more points. Got a nice t-shirt though!

I was faster than strong as I ran a 4.56 40 as a 6'4" white boy my junior year, as that was my forte, but could do some deece benches, but doubt I could come close to that, then or now.

I did some work as a spot starter/backup TE and DE at D3 in college at 220lb. as that's still my weight at 28 years old.

Those are some sick numbers bro, though, on bench at 190, as I just got back in the gym scene at a Snap Fitness. I go more reps of 8 times at 225 now, but would be interesting to see if I could go near that many in a sheer numbers of lifts. Doubt it though.

[bobblehead]

NOw I am unimpressed. As a 24 year old weighing 190lbs I put 225 up 23 times in the only time I ever even tried it....these guys are huge fucking pussies.

That's pretty strong bruh. I did six reps... but I was a 185 lb QB at 18.

Still, 23... nice.

I agree, those are nice numbers bro. In high school I was prob. 195-200 as a 6'4" Split End and QB. Don't remember what my 225 reps were at but I do remember being one of 5 guys on our team (a good team too even at Div. 6) to make the Super 1000. That involved squats, deadlifts, bench, 40 and mile runs in some super twisted formula to come to 1000 or more points. Got a nice t-shirt though!

I was faster than strong as I ran a 4.56 40 as a 6'4" white boy my junior year, as that was my forte, but could do some deece benches, but doubt I could come close to that, then or now.

I did some work as a spot starter/backup TE and DE at D3 in college at 220lb. as that's still my weight at 28 years old.

Those are some sick numbers bro, though, on bench at 190, as I just got back in the gym scene at a Snap Fitness. I go more reps of 8 times at 225 now, but would be interesting to see if I could go near that many in a sheer numbers of lifts. Doubt it though.

I have the advantage of spreading my 190 over 5'9" instead of 6'4" and I have relatively short arms. I'm 39 now and generally stick with dumbells, but damn, now I'm tempted to head over the the flat bench and give it shot.

[Guiness]

NOw I am unimpressed. As a 24 year old weighing 190lbs I put 225 up 23 times in the only time I ever even tried it....these guys are huge fucking pussies.

Do you have 34" long arms (most guys don't have 34" legs)?

There is a cubic relationship between arm length and bench reps/pectoral strength.

A longer arm, even a small amount, has a significant effect on the bench press exercise.

All too true Waldo. And Bobble re-inforced it later - he has short arms. The fulcrum (probably not 100% the right term) makes all the difference in the world.

Body type makes all the difference in the world for bench - that's why a some DE's don't put up big numbers, coaches like their DE's with long arms. One of the TE's on my uni team was very strong, had ridiculously long arms. Don't know how tall he was, but over 6'6" I'd guess, and 250-260lbs. He could struggle up 225 ONCE. We also had a tailback that stood 5'5, and couldn't reach the bottom of his pockets (this was obvious when it came to his round if you went to a bar with him) and would do 10 reps at 225 as part of his warm up.

When the TE did a rep, I bet the bar moved 3' from bottom to top. I don't know that it moved 6" when the halfback did it.

[SnakeLH2006]

NOw I am unimpressed. As a 24 year old weighing 190lbs I put 225 up 23 times in the only time I ever even tried it....these guys are huge fucking pussies.

That's pretty strong bruh. I did six reps... but I was a 185 lb QB at 18.

Still, 23... nice.

I agree, those are nice numbers bro. In high school I was prob. 195-200 as a 6'4" Split End and QB. Don't remember what my 225 reps were at but I do remember being one of 5 guys on our team (a good team too even at Div. 6) to make the Super 1000. That involved squats, deadlifts, bench, 40 and mile runs in some super twisted formula to come to 1000 or more points. Got a nice t-shirt though!

I was faster than strong as I ran a 4.56 40 as a 6'4" white boy my junior year, as that was my forte, but could do some deece benches, but doubt I could come close to that, then or now.

I did some work as a spot starter/backup TE and DE at D3 in college at 220lb. as that's still my weight at 28 years old.

Those are some sick numbers bro, though, on bench at 190, as I just got back in the gym scene at a Snap Fitness. I go more reps of 8 times at 225 now, but would be interesting to see if I could go near that many in a sheer numbers of lifts. Doubt it though.

I have the advantage of spreading my 190 over 5'9" instead of 6'4" and I have relatively short arms. I'm 39 now and generally stick with dumbells, but damn, now I'm tempted to head over the the flat bench and give it shot.

Actually I'm almost 6'6" now, but I do agree that it is more difficult having longer arms to bench. We had a RB who was probably 5'5" on our high school team that could bench lift over 300 lbs. no problem. I always gave him shit on how easy he made it look cuz he had such stout arms, but either way, 23 reps is beasting no matter how ya look at it. Squats are easier and my younger sis told me I still hold the cone/agility test record at my high school that I attribute to good agility, but very long arms and longs.

These physical tests are all moot though if Harrell can't play. Bottom line. Didn't the Eagles draft some DE over a decade ago with insane testing numbers in speed/strength and he was a pretty fair assessment of a bust. Not saying Harrell is yet, but I'm not holding my breath either.

Of anyone that remembers Harrell when he "was" healthy at Tennessee, was he dominant as a football player? What could we expect with him at DE (if healthy)? Just wondering...

[Guiness]

Of anyone that remembers Harrell when he "was" healthy at Tennessee, was he dominant as a football player? What could we expect with him at DE (if healthy)? Just wondering...

I assume you're talking about Mamula - often sited when refering to workout warriors. He went to the combine relatively unknown, put up freakish numbers, and the Eagles took him seventh overall.

He wasn't a bust in the common sense. He played out his rookie contract, and recorded 30 sacks. But then just wasn't interested in football and retired.

[bobblehead]

All this basically is pretty good info on workout numbers and such. It also is why in the end I prefer guys who produce on the field and am no so much impressed by 40 times and other factors. Size matters and as Waldo pointed out 34" arms are more valuable than powerful pecs. Snake pointed out that long arms and legs help a lot in things like the shuttle run.

In the end prototypical size and production on the field are more important to becoming a solid pro. Problem is that to be special you need all that , the strength and the size too...so when a team reaches for an impact player its usually production on the field that has been the thing lacking. That tends to be an all or nothing approach.

[Waldo]

All this basically is pretty good info on workout numbers and such. It also is why in the end I prefer guys who produce on the field and am no so much impressed by 40 times and other factors. Size matters and as Waldo pointed out 34" arms are more valuable than powerful pecs. Snake pointed out that long arms and legs help a lot in things like the shuttle run.

In the end prototypical size and production on the field are more important to becoming a solid pro. Problem is that to be special you need all that , the strength and the size too...so when a team reaches for an impact player its usually production on the field that has been the thing lacking. That tends to be an all or nothing approach.

Harrell didn't suck in college. Tn's run D was 2.5 ypc better when Justin was on the field, though he wasn't the most accomplished pass rusher in the draft, he had batted more than 2x as many passes as any other guy in the draft and was up there is TFL's. He was just lacking in sacks.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Of anyone that remembers Harrell when he "was" healthy at Tennessee, was he dominant as a football player? What could we expect with him at DE (if healthy)? Just wondering...

I assume you're talking about Mamula - often sited when refering to workout warriors. He went to the combine relatively unknown, put up freakish numbers, and the Eagles took him seventh overall.

He wasn't a bust in the common sense. He played out his rookie contract, and recorded 30 sacks. But then just wasn't interested in football and retired.

There's a reason why Harrell wore #92 at Tennessee. He was a dominant d-lineman and really thought to be the next John Henderson/Albert Haynesworth type D lineman that UT seems to produce every 4-6 years. I liked the pick when we got him, and I still do. You can't knock the kid for not being healthy.

[rbaloha1]

JH shall shine at de. Be patient. (Realize 2 years is a lifetime but JH is due.)

[KYPack]

Of anyone that remembers Harrell when he "was" healthy at Tennessee, was he dominant as a football player? What could we expect with him at DE (if healthy)? Just wondering...

He was a total bitch when healthy. Mostly a college DT in a 5-2 or 4-3. He had it all and was almost always doubled. He handled doubles with very little problems. I saw film on him when I was on Lake Cumberland two summers ago. It was a UTenn show. They were interviewing the kid that was gonna replace Harrell. They ran a lot of film on Harrell and he was VERY impressive. JH has all the moves. He can swim, rip, twist and split doubles with ease. The guy is extremely quick and strong. It was easy to see why he went as highly as he did. I think he played 4 games his senior year. If he'd played all 12, he would have easily been a top 5 pick.