Greatest Need in the 2009 NFL Draft for Packers

[Waldo]

wait, i was right. the plane doesn't belong to anyone with the packers. its owned by a home design company

i bet its nothing

Just like a time share, companies buy planes and lease them to FBO's to operate. Quite a profitable endeavor actually (I work for the FAA).

Otherwise it would be unfeasible to own your own Jet. Very few people own private jets and only use them for themselves.

[red]

not really anything exciting coming into green bay today

fw flight from chicago, detroit and minnie.

one from bowling green with no departure time

and one from joplin, mo, then then flew to appleton

doesn't look like any agents or players are flying in today

[Fritz]

WTF? This suddenly turns into the conspiracy thread.

I know! This is freakin' awesome!!

[Bretsky]

not really anything exciting coming into green bay today

fw flight from chicago, detroit and minnie.

one from bowling green with no departure time

and one from joplin, mo, then then flew to appleton

doesn't look like any agents or players are flying in today

Leave TTT alone; he'll be inside studying film for the next seven weeks looking for the next Michael Hawkins

[3irty1]

Could be a free agent living or working out in the area. After all FA starts in 4.5 hours.

Marcus Tubbs?

[Bretsky]

Could be a free agent living or working out in the area. After all FA starts in 4.5 hours.

Marcus Tubbs?

Bring Back Gilbert Brown

What about Roell Preston; we found him on the job

[packer4life]

BRING BACK TACO WALLACE

[packer4life]

BRING BACK TACO WALLACE

http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/novak/

"Positives: NAME IS TACO...Team-oriented player"

BAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Guiness]

You're watching airport departure logs to see if there appears to be any Packer related traffic??? How good is that? lol

edit: just saw you work for the FAA. Makes some sense then!

[SnakeLH2006]

Why in poo perfect hell would you want to draft a DE in the first round if you're going to be running a 3-4???

A DE in a 3-4 is pretty much a bell weather against the run, eating up blockers so the LB's can make the plays... Good gravy, they're talking about moving Jolly, and Harrell to DE... those are the types of guys you're going to be seeing at DE in a 3-4.

No need for a 1st round DE in a 3-4... a 3-4 team, if they are going to invest in front 7 talent in the first round, will be looking at LB and NT, and that's about it.

DE's that fit a 3-4, simply don't have 1st round value.

I'm floored too. A DE in a 3-4 doesn't have much value that high in the draft as most are 270 lb. pass rushers. DE in our scheme now are run stuffers kinda like a quick 4-3 DT. Dime a dozen compared to a true NT like Raji (where Snake voted). What really blows me away is I was almost gonna pick OT and see that only 1/32 voted OT?? Huh? With all the problems last year at OT with Cliffy (old, deteriorating, DONE) and Tauchy (old, slowing, hurt)...we need at least one guy to step in to be a force at either OT spot whether in FA or the draft. Don't be surprised if we go 1-2 with a NT and an OT in the draft. But then again, it's TT, so probably looking at a WR and a RB, lol.

[Waldo]

Why in poo perfect hell would you want to draft a DE in the first round if you're going to be running a 3-4???

A DE in a 3-4 is pretty much a bell weather against the run, eating up blockers so the LB's can make the plays... Good gravy, they're talking about moving Jolly, and Harrell to DE... those are the types of guys you're going to be seeing at DE in a 3-4.

No need for a 1st round DE in a 3-4... a 3-4 team, if they are going to invest in front 7 talent in the first round, will be looking at LB and NT, and that's about it.

DE's that fit a 3-4, simply don't have 1st round value.

I'm floored too. A DE in a 3-4 doesn't have much value that high in the draft as most are 270 lb. pass rushers. DE in our scheme now are run stuffers kinda like a quick 4-3 DT. Dime a dozen compared to a true NT like Raji (where Snake voted). What really blows me away is I was almost gonna pick OT and see that only 1/32 voted OT?? Huh? With all the problems last year at OT with Cliffy (old, deteriorating, DONE) and Tauchy (old, slowing, hurt)...we need at least one guy to step in to be a force at either OT spot whether in FA or the draft. Don't be surprised if we go 1-2 with a NT and an OT in the draft. But then again, it's TT, so probably looking at a WR and a RB, lol.

Thing with OT....we've got 6 OT's (Clifton, Colledge, Sitton, Barbre, Moll, Giacominni) on the roster and 3 C's (Spitz, Wells, Carvalho). TT drafts OT's to play G, not G's.

Good 3-4 teams spend premium picks on DE's. They need to push the pocket somewhat, and do it agaisnt an OT often, being built like an interior DT doesn't work too well. Tall, long arms, and athletic is the name of the game. Jackson and Gilbert are the best 3-4 DE's in this draft and a better fit at 3-4 DE than 4-3 DT, both will be first round picks.

[SnakeLH2006]

Why in poo perfect hell would you want to draft a DE in the first round if you're going to be running a 3-4???

A DE in a 3-4 is pretty much a bell weather against the run, eating up blockers so the LB's can make the plays... Good gravy, they're talking about moving Jolly, and Harrell to DE... those are the types of guys you're going to be seeing at DE in a 3-4.

No need for a 1st round DE in a 3-4... a 3-4 team, if they are going to invest in front 7 talent in the first round, will be looking at LB and NT, and that's about it.

DE's that fit a 3-4, simply don't have 1st round value.

I'm floored too. A DE in a 3-4 doesn't have much value that high in the draft as most are 270 lb. pass rushers. DE in our scheme now are run stuffers kinda like a quick 4-3 DT. Dime a dozen compared to a true NT like Raji (where Snake voted). What really blows me away is I was almost gonna pick OT and see that only 1/32 voted OT?? Huh? With all the problems last year at OT with Cliffy (old, deteriorating, DONE) and Tauchy (old, slowing, hurt)...we need at least one guy to step in to be a force at either OT spot whether in FA or the draft. Don't be surprised if we go 1-2 with a NT and an OT in the draft. But then again, it's TT, so probably looking at a WR and a RB, lol.

Thing with OT....we've got 6 OT's (Clifton, Colledge, Sitton, Barbre, Moll, Giacominni) on the roster and 3 C's (Spitz, Wells, Carvalho). TT drafts OT's to play G, not G's.

Good 3-4 teams spend premium picks on DE's. They need to push the pocket somewhat, and do it agaisnt an OT often, being built like an interior DT doesn't work too well. Tall, long arms, and athletic is the name of the game. Jackson and Gilbert are the best 3-4 DE's in this draft and a better fit at 3-4 DE than 4-3 DT, both will be first round picks.

Maybe so, but could you argue against Raji at NT (as we do need a true NT) or a top 3 OT as both Cliffy and Tauchy are done soon and I wouldn't bank the farm we have anyone that can play at the level yet when they were at their prime and valuable. Colledge did OK, but that still leaves one more OT to enter the picture. I'm not willing to gamble that ARod would stay healthy for 16 games with Colledge and one of the holdovers doing it for 16 games.

[Waldo]

NT is a situational player. Needing a backup NT is akin to needing a backup nickel back. Granted it is an important situational player, but it is still situational.

We have guys that can play OT. While we could use some depth for sure, I'm not shaking in my boots over the prospects of the kids starting. IMO they are better than the starters anyway, who were only starting because of their paychecks and the couple game hiccup that a line shuffle would cause.

Poppinga and Chillar are absolutely pitiful options at elephant OLB. We don't have a starter on the roster.

[SnakeLH2006]

NT is a situational player. Needing a backup NT is akin to needing a backup nickel back. Granted it is an important situational player, but it is still situational.

We have guys that can play OT. While we could use some depth for sure, I'm not shaking in my boots over the prospects of the kids starting. IMO they are better than the starters anyway, who were only starting because of their paychecks and the couple game hiccup that a line shuffle would cause.

Poppinga and Chillar are absolutely pitiful options at elephant OLB. We don't have a starter on the roster.

I definitely agree with that statement.

As far as NT, do you really think Pickett is the long term answer. I understand if you think we'd be drafting a backup, but Pickett is old (30) and a FA to be in the last year of his contract. I'm not sold that he is the man-mountain a true 3-4 needs at NT. He's good, but really regressed last year in 2008 vs. 2007 and 2006. He got slowed a bit by injuries and at his size/age he may be slowing....Regardless he's a FA to be and I'd like a big guy to take over the middle as Snake feels his best is behind him not only because of those facts, but because, he may not be the force we need to command 2 blockers and collapse a pocket NOW. Esp. with FA coming, I'd like to draft his replacement now at #9 with Raji or at least in the 2nd. Either way...Snake would be extremely happy with a OT or NT at #9 and vice versa in the second.

[Waldo]

NT is a situational player. Needing a backup NT is akin to needing a backup nickel back. Granted it is an important situational player, but it is still situational.

We have guys that can play OT. While we could use some depth for sure, I'm not shaking in my boots over the prospects of the kids starting. IMO they are better than the starters anyway, who were only starting because of their paychecks and the couple game hiccup that a line shuffle would cause.

Poppinga and Chillar are absolutely pitiful options at elephant OLB. We don't have a starter on the roster.

I definitely agree with that statement.

As far as NT, do you really think Pickett is the long term answer. I understand if you think we'd be drafting a backup, but Pickett is old (30) and a FA to be in the last year of his contract. I'm not sold that he is the man-mountain a true 3-4 needs at NT. He's good, but really regressed last year in 2008 vs. 2007 and 2006. He got slowed a bit by injuries and at his size/age he may be slowing....Regardless he's a FA to be and I'd like a big guy to take over the middle as Snake feels his best is behind him not only because of those facts, but because, he may not be the force we need to command 2 blockers and collapse a pocket NOW. Esp. with FA coming, I'd like to draft his replacement now at #9 with Raji or at least in the 2nd. Either way...Snake would be extremely happy with a OT or NT at #9 and vice versa in the second.

P. Williams will be going on 37 this season. G. Jackson is 36. A lot of the big A gap tackles don't get good until their early 30's and they last a fairly long time. 30 isn't that old at all for a power tackle. 32-33, then its time to start looking for a replacement as a point of need, instead of a luxury upgrade (which Raji would be). Raji wouldn't do a whole lot to help the team for 2-3 years different than Pickett, it isn't until 4-5 years after the draft that the pick would actually have value.

Keep in mind, next year is a great DT draft. They all went back to school.