Packers express interest in Chris Canty

[Waldo]

Re: Canty

Just reading some stuff and it appears everyone wants Canty. I think the only shot we got is a solid offer and for Dom to light Canty's cell phone up and tell him how he'll be a stud in his 3-4 D. Begging might work.......

IMO this is a strong indication that if Canty signs elsewhere a full court press is coming on Igor afterwards (the front has been silent there, no interest from 4-3 teams seemingly). Igor isn't as good, but he is much closer to Canty in quality than Jolly.

We already have one relatively high paid, by 3-4 standards, DE in Jenkins. Do we really want two (Canty, Igor)? Seems we should be paying the bucks to our OLBs (Kampman, whoever). You can't pay everyone. I agree we have a need at DE, but at what price? In a 3-4 front seven I'd rather allocate our dollars to a nose and the OLBs.

Whoever doesn't exist. The only possible whoevers for more than a year are Julius Peppers or a draft pick. Draft picks are cheap.

Cullens 4M/yr contract is dirt cheap.

I can't recall a 3-4 NT worth more than a low end starting contract making it to FA. They are fairly cheap since they never make it to FA, so a bidding war has never happened and somebody "pulling a Snyder" to reset the market on NT's hasn't happened.

[red]

Re: Canty

Just reading some stuff and it appears everyone wants Canty. I think the only shot we got is a solid offer and for Dom to light Canty's cell phone up and tell him how he'll be a stud in his 3-4 D. Begging might work.......

IMO this is a strong indication that if Canty signs elsewhere a full court press is coming on Igor afterwards (the front has been silent there, no interest from 4-3 teams seemingly). Igor isn't as good, but he is much closer to Canty in quality than Jolly.

We already have one relatively high paid, by 3-4 standards, DE in Jenkins. Do we really want two (Canty, Igor)? Seems we should be paying the bucks to our OLBs (Kampman, whoever). You can't pay everyone. I agree we have a need at DE, but at what price? In a 3-4 front seven I'd rather allocate our dollars to a nose and the OLBs.

those de's are kind of important. if they don't do their job then there's no way those olb's are are going to be able to do much

[Farley Face]

Re: Canty

Just reading some stuff and it appears everyone wants Canty. I think the only shot we got is a solid offer and for Dom to light Canty's cell phone up and tell him how he'll be a stud in his 3-4 D. Begging might work.......

IMO this is a strong indication that if Canty signs elsewhere a full court press is coming on Igor afterwards (the front has been silent there, no interest from 4-3 teams seemingly). Igor isn't as good, but he is much closer to Canty in quality than Jolly.

We already have one relatively high paid, by 3-4 standards, DE in Jenkins. Do we really want two (Canty, Igor)? Seems we should be paying the bucks to our OLBs (Kampman, whoever). You can't pay everyone. I agree we have a need at DE, but at what price? In a 3-4 front seven I'd rather allocate our dollars to a nose and the OLBs.

Whoever doesn't exist. The only possible whoevers for more than a year are Julius Peppers or a draft pick. Draft picks are cheap.

Cullens 4M/yr contract is dirt cheap.

I can't recall a 3-4 NT worth more than a low end starting contract making it to FA. They are fairly cheap since they never make it to FA, so a bidding war has never happened and somebody "pulling a Snyder" to reset the market on NT's hasn't happened.

I'd hate to be cash strapped due to big dollars invested in another DE when the opportunity to pay/draft the whoever comes around.

My point again is you can't pay everyone. It is about what positions you deem worthy of a high percentage of your payroll.

Do you invest in OTs or interior line? CBs or Ss? WRs or RBs? My impression is the OLBs in a 3-4 are the playmakers, the DEs are pulling the plow. I'd rather have the cap space to throw at the OLB than invest in a DE now when two other 3-4 teams have deemed them expendable (Dallas/SD).

I believe this same logic applies to why Collins will eventually get a solid offer from GB but not a bank breaker. Ask Sharper.

I believe TT would rather pay a CB than a S, and an OLB than a DE in our new defense.

[Waldo]

Re: Canty

Just reading some stuff and it appears everyone wants Canty. I think the only shot we got is a solid offer and for Dom to light Canty's cell phone up and tell him how he'll be a stud in his 3-4 D. Begging might work.......

IMO this is a strong indication that if Canty signs elsewhere a full court press is coming on Igor afterwards (the front has been silent there, no interest from 4-3 teams seemingly). Igor isn't as good, but he is much closer to Canty in quality than Jolly.

We already have one relatively high paid, by 3-4 standards, DE in Jenkins. Do we really want two (Canty, Igor)? Seems we should be paying the bucks to our OLBs (Kampman, whoever). You can't pay everyone. I agree we have a need at DE, but at what price? In a 3-4 front seven I'd rather allocate our dollars to a nose and the OLBs.

Whoever doesn't exist. The only possible whoevers for more than a year are Julius Peppers or a draft pick. Draft picks are cheap.

Cullens 4M/yr contract is dirt cheap.

I can't recall a 3-4 NT worth more than a low end starting contract making it to FA. They are fairly cheap since they never make it to FA, so a bidding war has never happened and somebody "pulling a Snyder" to reset the market on NT's hasn't happened.

I'd hate to be cash strapped due to big dollars invested in another DE when the opportunity to pay/draft the whoever comes around.

My point again is you can't pay everyone. It is about what positions you deem worthy of a high percentage of your payroll.

Do you invest in OTs or interior line? CBs or Ss? WRs or RBs? My impression is the OLBs in a 3-4 are the playmakers, the DEs are pulling the plow. I'd rather have the cap space to throw at the OLB than invest in a DE now when two other 3-4 teams have deemed them expendable (Dallas/SD).

I believe this same logic applies to why Collins will eventually get a solid offer from GB but not a bank breaker. Ask Sharper.

I believe TT would rather pay a CB than a S, and an OLB than a DE in our new defense.

If you have to make a money decision, cut the DE and draft a new one if you need to sign your OLB (*cough* the Ware situation). We are at least 4-5 years away from paying an OLB big money. Canty will be near retirement by then.

[Farley Face]

Re: Canty

Just reading some stuff and it appears everyone wants Canty. I think the only shot we got is a solid offer and for Dom to light Canty's cell phone up and tell him how he'll be a stud in his 3-4 D. Begging might work.......

IMO this is a strong indication that if Canty signs elsewhere a full court press is coming on Igor afterwards (the front has been silent there, no interest from 4-3 teams seemingly). Igor isn't as good, but he is much closer to Canty in quality than Jolly.

We already have one relatively high paid, by 3-4 standards, DE in Jenkins. Do we really want two (Canty, Igor)? Seems we should be paying the bucks to our OLBs (Kampman, whoever). You can't pay everyone. I agree we have a need at DE, but at what price? In a 3-4 front seven I'd rather allocate our dollars to a nose and the OLBs.

Whoever doesn't exist. The only possible whoevers for more than a year are Julius Peppers or a draft pick. Draft picks are cheap.

Cullens 4M/yr contract is dirt cheap.

I can't recall a 3-4 NT worth more than a low end starting contract making it to FA. They are fairly cheap since they never make it to FA, so a bidding war has never happened and somebody "pulling a Snyder" to reset the market on NT's hasn't happened.

I'd hate to be cash strapped due to big dollars invested in another DE when the opportunity to pay/draft the whoever comes around.

My point again is you can't pay everyone. It is about what positions you deem worthy of a high percentage of your payroll.

Do you invest in OTs or interior line? CBs or Ss? WRs or RBs? My impression is the OLBs in a 3-4 are the playmakers, the DEs are pulling the plow. I'd rather have the cap space to throw at the OLB than invest in a DE now when two other 3-4 teams have deemed them expendable (Dallas/SD).

I believe this same logic applies to why Collins will eventually get a solid offer from GB but not a bank breaker. Ask Sharper.

I believe TT would rather pay a CB than a S, and an OLB than a DE in our new defense.

If you have to make a money decision, cut the DE and draft a new one if you need to sign your OLB (*cough* the Ware situation). We are at least 4-5 years away from paying an OLB big money. Canty will be near retirement by then.

We will need to extend an OLB (Kampman) to big money sooner than later. Or were you assuming that and speaking 4-5 years for his counterpart on the other side?

[Partial]

With Cole likely gone according to JSO, they need some depth badly.

They cannot go into the season counting on Harrell or Jenkins. Both have been perpetually injured, and when they have played the past two years it has been less than stellar as a result.

With that said, Jolly didn't have a great year last year and is switching positions as well. They need DE's like crazy!!!

[Waldo]

Re: Canty

Just reading some stuff and it appears everyone wants Canty. I think the only shot we got is a solid offer and for Dom to light Canty's cell phone up and tell him how he'll be a stud in his 3-4 D. Begging might work.......

IMO this is a strong indication that if Canty signs elsewhere a full court press is coming on Igor afterwards (the front has been silent there, no interest from 4-3 teams seemingly). Igor isn't as good, but he is much closer to Canty in quality than Jolly.

We already have one relatively high paid, by 3-4 standards, DE in Jenkins. Do we really want two (Canty, Igor)? Seems we should be paying the bucks to our OLBs (Kampman, whoever). You can't pay everyone. I agree we have a need at DE, but at what price? In a 3-4 front seven I'd rather allocate our dollars to a nose and the OLBs.

Whoever doesn't exist. The only possible whoevers for more than a year are Julius Peppers or a draft pick. Draft picks are cheap.

Cullens 4M/yr contract is dirt cheap.

I can't recall a 3-4 NT worth more than a low end starting contract making it to FA. They are fairly cheap since they never make it to FA, so a bidding war has never happened and somebody "pulling a Snyder" to reset the market on NT's hasn't happened.

I'd hate to be cash strapped due to big dollars invested in another DE when the opportunity to pay/draft the whoever comes around.

My point again is you can't pay everyone. It is about what positions you deem worthy of a high percentage of your payroll.

Do you invest in OTs or interior line? CBs or Ss? WRs or RBs? My impression is the OLBs in a 3-4 are the playmakers, the DEs are pulling the plow. I'd rather have the cap space to throw at the OLB than invest in a DE now when two other 3-4 teams have deemed them expendable (Dallas/SD).

I believe this same logic applies to why Collins will eventually get a solid offer from GB but not a bank breaker. Ask Sharper.

I believe TT would rather pay a CB than a S, and an OLB than a DE in our new defense.

If you have to make a money decision, cut the DE and draft a new one if you need to sign your OLB (*cough* the Ware situation). We are at least 4-5 years away from paying an OLB big money. Canty will be near retirement by then.

We will need to extend an OLB (Kampman) to big money sooner than later. Or were you assuming that and speaking 4-5 years for his counterpart on the other side?

Kamp plays on the left. He's already top 5 for LDE/SOLB. How much more do you want to pay him? If he moved to the premium position (RDE, WOLB), he'd get the big $$, as is he pretty maxed out, and he prefers the side he is on. Nothing wrong with that, just means Kamp isn't a greedy player seeking every buck possible. He might get a 1M/yr more than he gets, but that's about it, and it has little effect on the cap.

[Bretsky]

Given our Cap Situation, I'd jump at Canty. IMO he's a bit better than a healthy Jenkins and has nice upside. Has plenty of NFL Lifetime left.

However, this would be the type of prize that I don't see GB competing for.
Maybe this is a year I admit I'm wrong about TTT. He's come out of his shell quite early in free agency by already making a call so I give him credit for that.

Canty will get paid; my guess is 8+ Million a year on average. If we bring him in, draft the NG, our defense looks so much better going into next year

But Canty will be pursued by a lot of teams; IMO it's out of character for TT to win a bidding war................and this dude will get paid.

Get er done TTT

[Guiness]

With Cole likely gone according to JSO, they need some depth badly.

They cannot go into the season counting on Harrell or Jenkins. Both have been perpetually injured, and when they have played the past two years it has been less than stellar as a result.

With that said, Jolly didn't have a great year last year and is switching positions as well. They need DE's like crazy!!!

What???

When Jenkins has been on the field these past 2 yrs, the results have been pretty damn close to stellar by any account.

[TheCheese]

Given our Cap Situation, I'd jump at Canty. IMO he's a bit better than a healthy Jenkins and has nice upside. Has plenty of NFL Lifetime left.

However, this would be the type of prize that I don't see GB competing for.
Maybe this is a year I admit I'm wrong about TTT. He's come out of his shell quite early in free agency by already making a call so I give him credit for that.

Canty will get paid; my guess is 8+ Million a year on average. If we bring him in, draft the NG, our defense looks so much better going into next year

But Canty will be pursued by a lot of teams; IMO it's out of character for TT to win a bidding war................and this dude will get paid.

Get er done TTT

Well he was the highest bidder for Adam Vinatieri, Lavar Arrington, Charles Woodson...

[LEWCWA]

They need some depth dreadfully. I say bring him in.

What would be a fair deal for him?

Fair or realistic

Fair is 6 yr 30M, 12M guaranteed

Realistic is 6 yr 65M, 25M guaranteed.

Just the way it works.

Canty isn't getting anywhere near 6 for 65

Years 5-6 typically don't count. They make the deal look pretty and blow peoples doors off. The guaranteed money is what counts. 25M isn't quite half what big Al got. Remember, 4-3 teams are chasing him to play DE, that is his market, not 3-4 DE or DT. His deal will be compared to Allen more than Big Al.

I know this is apples and oranges, and likely belongs in another thread, but "just" $20 mill guaranteed for our QB is starting to look like a bargain. Vilma got $17 mill guaranteed for pete's sake.

It is a bargain. Those brainless GBPG and JSO robots have no ideal how incredibly good of a deal our QB is signed to. "Pulled the trigger too early"...."not worth the big bucks".....BS, AR's contract is a steal. He'd easily pull in 45-50M guaranteed in the current market. In FA $$ and draft picks, Aaron is one of the most valuable players in the NFL (he is worth at least 2 top 10 draft picks, if not more). I think that he is only trumped by Big Ben, Romo, Rivers, and Cutler in value, though his value is real close to Cutler's and Romo's.

Canty is a 3-4 DE, thats it. He can clog shit up. If you break the bank for this guy, you will rue the day....This place will be loaded with what the hell did way pay this guy for?topics!

[mission]

Canty is a 3-4 DE, thats it. He can clog shit up. If you break the bank for this guy, you will rue the day....This place will be loaded with what the hell did way pay this guy for?topics!

If that's the case then what they say is right.

You just can't win.

[Fritz]

What has been interesting to me this morning has been the fan reaction to TT's interest, both here and on the JSO blog comments section. The vast majority of posters, here and elsewhere, seem to rue TT's supposed lack of action - he won't sign a big name, he's cheap, he's the turtle, etc. Not everyone, but many, many people seem to take this tack.

Yet perusing the threads here and elsewhere this morning reveals a number - a large number - of comments that run along the lines of "Canty is in no way worth a big contract, if TT gets him it'll be the stupidest thing he's done yet," etc. etc.

This confirms my sense that TT gets an inordinate amount of fan criticism. He'll be skewered if he doesn't jump in right away and throw money at Canty, and it appears too that several folks will skewer him if he does sign Canty.

On another note, this interest in Canty makes me wonder what JH's future with the Packers is. Do they know something about his back that we don't?

[Fred's Slacks]

What has been interesting to me this morning has been the fan reaction to TT's interest, both here and on the JSO blog comments section. The vast majority of posters, here and elsewhere, seem to rue TT's supposed lack of action - he won't sign a big name, he's cheap, he's the turtle, etc. Not everyone, but many, many people seem to take this tack.

Yet perusing the threads here and elsewhere this morning reveals a number - a large number - of comments that run along the lines of "Canty is in no way worth a big contract, if TT gets him it'll be the stupidest thing he's done yet," etc. etc.

This confirms my sense that TT gets an inordinate amount of fan criticism. He'll be skewered if he doesn't jump in right away and throw money at Canty, and it appears too that several folks will skewer him if he does sign Canty.

On another note, this interest in Canty makes me wonder what JH's future with the Packers is. Do they know something about his back that we don't?

Yeah, TT can't please everyone. I wonder if there are a lot of Steelers fans that complain about their lack of FA activity?

Regarding your JH comment, I think they know exactly what we do. We can't expect to get anything out of JH. If we do it is just a bonus. We have to prepare as if he's not on the roster.

[Pugger]

Re: Canty

Just reading some stuff and it appears everyone wants Canty. I think the only shot we got is a solid offer and for Dom to light Canty's cell phone up and tell him how he'll be a stud in his 3-4 D. Begging might work.......

Can't he just say he's God and wants Canty to sign in Green Bay?

I must say I'm pleasantly surprised to see TT actively pursuing Canty. He looks like one big guy and with Kampy moving to LB this would be a nice move. I heard Seattle and the Gmen are interested too. One thing we have going for us is they use the 4-3 and Canty is a 3-4 guy. It will be very interesting to see what happens. I hope this dispells the notion of TT's aversion to FA.