Wow Bush to get 4,5 Mil

[red]

Why are you guys shocked? The only thing that is guaranteed is the SB. He's a versatile DB and a solid ST player.

he was absolutely pathetic at db last year, and almost just as bad on st

i'm really tired of this shit about keeping guys for special teams, we did that last year and we sucked on special teams and sucked on o and d because of the lack of depth

and this has nothing to do with the money for me, its keeping a horrible player in the first place. i would have been find with TT paying someone else to take him from us

[sharpe1027]

jesus christ

this is a horrible signing imo

bush is a complete liability when he's on the field on d, and last season he sucked hard on st too. i do not want this guy anywhere near the field for my team. everytime he was in there he made some stupid mistake or gave up a huge play

this move is almost laughably horrible

what the fuck is TT doing, honestly?

I am guessing you are equally pissed that they offered him the tender in the first place? If so, I tend to agree. I guess they don't have anyone better yet, they might as well hang onto him until he gets beat out? Who knows?

[Partial]

Why are you guys shocked? The only thing that is guaranteed is the SB. He's a versatile DB and a solid ST player.

he was absolutely pathetic at db last year, and almost just as bad on st

i'm really tired of this shit about keeping guys for special teams, we did that last year and we sucked on special teams and sucked on o and d because of the lack of depth

and this has nothing to do with the money for me, its keeping a horrible player in the first place. i would have been find with TT paying someone else to take him from us

I disagree. I think he's a pretty decent 5th DB/safety. How many good ones are there? Not many. I also think he's an excellent gunner, one of the best in the NFC. This guy gets way too much undeserved heat.

[red]

Why are you guys shocked? The only thing that is guaranteed is the SB. He's a versatile DB and a solid ST player.

he was absolutely pathetic at db last year, and almost just as bad on st

i'm really tired of this shit about keeping guys for special teams, we did that last year and we sucked on special teams and sucked on o and d because of the lack of depth

and this has nothing to do with the money for me, its keeping a horrible player in the first place. i would have been find with TT paying someone else to take him from us

I disagree. I think he's a pretty decent 5th DB/safety. How many good ones are there? Not many. I also think he's an excellent gunner, one of the best in the NFC. This guy gets way too much undeserved heat.

he was pathetic last year on st, absolutely pathetic. he did nothing as a gunner. in fact i think he was flagged many times as well.

and as for being an ok 5th cb. i completely disagree. i expect a 5th cb to have a clue when he's on the field and not make a mistake every time he gets on the field

edit. i shouldn't sy pathetic on st. he was invisible on st last season, except for the mistakes. he was not the gunner he was 2 years ago

[red]

jesus christ

this is a horrible signing imo

bush is a complete liability when he's on the field on d, and last season he sucked hard on st too. i do not want this guy anywhere near the field for my team. everytime he was in there he made some stupid mistake or gave up a huge play

this move is almost laughably horrible

what the fuck is TT doing, honestly?

I am guessing you are equally pissed that they offered him the tender in the first place? If so, I tend to agree. I guess they don't have anyone better yet, they might as well hang onto him until he gets beat out? Who knows?

yes, i was very confused when we tendered him. i was very happy he was a free agent

[mission]

So he will be what, $1.3 mill against the cap this year? I think they already offered him over a million for the tender. I am not a J. Bush fan by any means, but it is is only an additional $300,000 and they gain three years. IMO, not a deal breaker either way. Let him go or resign? I bet they flipped a coin.

This is probably the most reasonable reply so far.

He's really not getting much more than he already had, but a signing bonus and more job security. Still doesn't mean he's above getting cut, outside of that bonus.

I think it's OK, I guess... just interested to see how this could affect other contract restructuring as the year progresses.

[Old School]

I think it's a little short sighted to say "every" time he was on the field he screwed up. On 17 occasions he made a special team tackle. That was 2nd on the team.

All too often we undervalue our own players and give too much credit to opponents. That might be because much of what we see of opponents is on highlight reels when they make good plays. If we saw them game in and game out, we might discover that they have warts too.

The Packers (TT) found Bush as a free agent, and now about a half dozen teams are interested. For goodness sake; give TT a little credit where it's deserved. It's easy to be critical if we only look for the negative.

And last of all, Bush is one of our guys. Let's get behind him and hope he reaches the potential others see in him.

[Joemailman]

Why are you guys shocked? The only thing that is guaranteed is the SB. He's a versatile DB and a solid ST player.

he was absolutely pathetic at db last year, and almost just as bad on st

i'm really tired of this shit about keeping guys for special teams, we did that last year and we sucked on special teams and sucked on o and d because of the lack of depth

and this has nothing to do with the money for me, its keeping a horrible player in the first place. i would have been find with TT paying someone else to take him from us

The Packers did not do that last year. They cut Tracey White to keep Danny Lansanah, and it hurt special teams. I'm not a supporter of Bush, but I suspect TT does not want to let special teams come up short again.

[hoosier]

jesus christ

this is a horrible signing imo

bush is a complete liability when he's on the field on d, and last season he sucked hard on st too. i do not want this guy anywhere near the field for my team. everytime he was in there he made some stupid mistake or gave up a huge play

this move is almost laughably horrible

what the fuck is TT doing, honestly?

Same thing the Titans, Ravens, Jets and whoever else were trying to do: sign what is potentially one of the better ST players in the league. His shortcomings in the secondary may be less evident in Capers system. Tenn and Balt don't throw money around foolishly in free agency, and if those two teams as well as TT all think he's worth it, I'm more than willing to accept their judgment over what I can see on the TV monitor.

[Patler]

So he will be what, $1.3 mill against the cap this year? I think they already offered him over a million for the tender. I am not a J. Bush fan by any means, but it is is only an additional $300,000 and they gain three years. IMO, not a deal breaker either way. Let him go or resign? I bet they flipped a coin.

This is probably the most reasonable reply so far.

He's really not getting much more than he already had, but a signing bonus and more job security. Still doesn't mean he's above getting cut, outside of that bonus.

I think it's OK, I guess... just interested to see how this could affect other contract restructuring as the year progresses.

Not much more? Its a million dollars more. With the tender he could have been brought to camp and if cut would have cost nothing. I didn't have a problem with that. Now if he gets cut, he costs $1Million.

But, I am willing to acknowledge I have no idea at all how effective he is or isn't on ST. People complain about his penalties. He had five on ST this season, but I don't recall him having a penalty issue in past seasons. It didn't seem to scare off other teams, as a bunch were interested in him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/41337897.html

Analysis: Why the Packers matched the Bush offer

[hoosier]

So he will be what, $1.3 mill against the cap this year? I think they already offered him over a million for the tender. I am not a J. Bush fan by any means, but it is is only an additional $300,000 and they gain three years. IMO, not a deal breaker either way. Let him go or resign? I bet they flipped a coin.

This is probably the most reasonable reply so far.

He's really not getting much more than he already had, but a signing bonus and more job security. Still doesn't mean he's above getting cut, outside of that bonus.

I think it's OK, I guess... just interested to see how this could affect other contract restructuring as the year progresses.

Not much more? Its a million dollars more. With the tender he could have been brought to camp and if cut would have cost nothing. I didn't have a problem with that. Now if he gets cut, he costs $1Million.

But, I am willing to acknowledge I have no idea at all how effective he is or isn't on ST. People complain about his penalties. He had five on ST this season, but I don't recall him having a penalty issue in past seasons. It didn't seem to scare off other teams, as a bunch were interested in him.

I don't think the Packers are planning on cutting him in camp. Assuming he's slated to be one of their top special teams performers, a million more over three years really isn't a big deal. On the other hand, if he really doesn't put the "special" in special teams, 1.3 million per year is a lot to pay when you could be paying a late-round draft pick less than half of that.

[Fritz]

I think one can logically infer from this that the Packers are looking ahead to renegotiating Tramon Wiliams's deal. Looks to me like this is an acknowlegement not only of Bush's worth but Williams's as well.

[GBRulz]

I certainly hope this doesn't turn into a T Williams holdout now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I certainly hope this doesn't turn into a T Williams holdout now.

Not sure I understand. He was going to make more than Williams anyways. He's at a different place in his career--where he had the flexibility to explore other options. Williams doesn't. What's the difference if Bush makes $1M or $1.7M or whatever? Almost every DB on the roster makes more than Williams--at least, before the bonuses kicked in.