Wow Bush to get 4,5 Mil

[Packnut]

Bush

Well just another stupid move by a man who is getting accustomed to them. Don't get into bidding wars for a player that might help, but spend a boat-load on one of the most useless players EVER to where a Packer uniform.

I guess Teddy is paying this clown by the penalties. He gets rid of our best ST player last season and now gives up all this cash for our worst ST player.

I feel bad for the Thompson crowd here. This latest blunder has to make it even more difficult to defend him................

[Patler]

Re: Bush

Well just another stupid move by a man who is getting accustomed to them. Don't get into bidding wars for a player that might help, but spend a boat-load on one of the most useless players EVER to where a Packer uniform.

I guess Teddy is paying this clown by the penalties. He gets rid of our best ST player last season and now gives up all this cash for our worst ST player.

I feel bad for the Thompson crowd here. This latest blunder has to make it even more difficult to defend him................

Well, it could be that Bush is a younger version of Tracy White. White took several years and several teams before he was considered irreplaceable on ST. I don't consider the signing of Bush to be a mistake at all, I'm just surprised that TT gave him that much guaranteed.

As for releasing White last year, he almost didn't make the final 53 coming out of camp, and TT had told him so at the time. The article at the time said his ST play had deteriorated the second half of '07 from the physical beating he had taken on ST. It may have been his leadership more than anything else that was missed.

None of us can really assess Bush's value on ST because all we see are the replays of the penalties. Yes, he had 5 or 6 of those on ST, but he also had probably 250 or so other plays on ST. How did he do on those? Kind of like Favres 15-20 interceptions a year. If you focused only on those he wasn't much of a QB, but when you throw in the rest he is a HOFer. Not saying Bush is a HOFer, but maybe apart from his penalties he is a pretty darn good ST player. Sure were a lot of teams interested in him at a million+/year.

[Guiness]

Woodson, Harris, Williams, Blackmon, Lee
Collins, Bigby, Rouse, Smith

Throw in Bush and it seems one of the 9 mentioned above may not be on the team, and certainly will not be if there is a DB drafted.

They kept that many last year. If they draft a guy, then Rouse, Bigby, Smith, and Bush could all be on the bubble--depending on how the battles go.

I'm blanking out - who is this Smith? And by the way, don't forget everybody's hero - Charlie Peprah.

I'd add Blackmon to the bubble - if they have another punt returner. Maybe even a DB they draft.
If he doesn't show he can play D this camp (or if he gets hurt) he could be in trouble.

[Fritz]

I'm having a hard time imagining Rouse getting cut - he made some big plays as a rook. In addition, safeties often seem to take a few years to develop.

Let's see...Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon, Bush, Collins, Bigby, Smith, Rouse - that's ten.

And who would you cut if you kept nine? I see them keeping ten, unless someone gets hurt. Again, I can't see Rouse being cut in year three. Too many big plays his first year, plus he's still young and learning.

It'd be weird to draft someone in the early rounds, given this group.

[sharpe1027]

I'm having a hard time imagining Rouse getting cut - he made some big plays as a rook. In addition, safeties often seem to take a few years to develop.

Let's see...Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon, Bush, Collins, Bigby, Smith, Rouse - that's ten.

And who would you cut if you kept nine? I see them keeping ten, unless someone gets hurt. Again, I can't see Rouse being cut in year three. Too many big plays his first year, plus he's still young and learning.

It'd be weird to draft someone in the early rounds, given this group.

With a new defense, some of the borderline guys might get lost in the transition. I see Rouse, Smith, Bush and Blackmon as each having some question marks.

I see your point about Rouse, but I still think he needs to show improvement or he could get left out of the mix (I think he probably will improve).

[Bretsky]

Woodson, Harris, Williams, Blackmon, Lee
Collins, Bigby, Rouse, Smith

Throw in Bush and it seems one of the 9 mentioned above may not be on the team, and certainly will not be if there is a DB drafted.

They kept that many last year. If they draft a guy, then Rouse, Bigby, Smith, and Bush could all be on the bubble--depending on how the battles go.

I'm blanking out - who is this Smith? And by the way, don't forget everybody's hero - Charlie Peprah.

Smith is our forgettable free agent

TT read the poll is here about how soon his first free agent signing was going to be so he decided to get in with some bottom feedin action.

Maybe we need another poll for #2 ?

[Stevogbfan]

question 4 u... is three-years - $4.5 million really alot of money these days in the nfl?

[Bretsky]

question 4 u... is three-years - $4.5 million really alot of money these days in the nfl?

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nope; kind of a forgettable contract too; that's why everybody forgets the dude's name.

Smith should not be hard to remember

[vince]

question 4 u... is three-years - $4.5 million really alot of money these days in the nfl?

That's Bush's contract, and while I hope he gets beat out by a rook, it's not a "boat-load" by any objective means. Very manageable cap hit, particularly for a team that has put themselves in position to be able to make such decisions based on players' abilities rather than being handcuffed by their contracts.

[RashanGary]

I only like this move if Blackmon or Patrick Lee are replaced with a legitimate corner prospect or two. If we have the same group as a year ago, I'm not happy.

If you think Bush is better at ST's than Lee or Blackmon, great, but we need another young prospect to go along with Tramon. Blackmon is the worst corner in the NFL and who knows if Lee is any better. It sure doesn't look like he is.

[KYPack]

I only like this move if Blackmon or Patrick Lee are replaced with a legitimate corner prospect or two. If we have the same group as a year ago, I'm not happy.

If you think Bush is better at ST's than Lee or Blackmon, great, but we need another young prospect to go along with Tramon. Blackmon is the worst corner in the NFL and who knows if Lee is any better. It sure doesn't look like he is.

Give Lee a break, he's young and super green. Greener than goose shit, said an old line coach.

I don't think Blackmon sees himself as a corner. They converted him his last year at school. This is his 4th year coming up. The light should be on a little, but it isn't. I think he should be emergency corner/ emergency WR/Return freak. It should be tough for a rook to break in this environ.

Bush should improve, he's gettin' all that jing.

[Joemailman]

KyPack,

Unless I misunderstand what you're saying, you got it backwards with Blackmon. He was a DB for 3 years in college, and switched to WR as a senior. Packers drafted him as a DB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Blackmon

[SnakeLH2006]

Why are you guys shocked? The only thing that is guaranteed is the SB. He's a versatile DB and a solid ST player.

AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!Snake lost beer out his nose again!!! Thanks Partial for that solid post.

Bush is one of the most versatile guys to get toasted in a dime or nickel...not so much as a starting CB cuz he sucks so much. Yea, for every good play on ST, he makes the same (throw your beer at the Plasma play) in retrospect. Fuck these low-tier millionaires! Bush sucks much ass.

At least TT is loyal. Snake would pray to lock up a min. contract to be the towel/waterboy at Packer camp cuz I'd get 3 years and much over my value as such. Fuck this shit. Bush is garbage.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

So he will be what, $1.3 mill against the cap this year?

Here are his cap numbers, excluding the escalators he could earn in year 3.

2009: $1,333,333
2010: $1,433,333
2011: $1,733,333

This makes Bush the 20th highest paid Packer.

[KYPack]

KyPack,

Unless I misunderstand what you're saying, you got it backwards with Blackmon. He was a DB for 3 years in college, and switched to WR as a senior. Packers drafted him as a DB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Blackmon

You caught me on that one, Joe. (& it took me 4 days to figure it out.)

Yeah, I thought he was a WR that switched to DB.

A lot of the college tape I saw was of Blackmon returning kicks. I love the guy. He is a brilliant return man. Most mortals should have both feet planted and be squared up when you catch a punt. Wil is one guy who catch on the move and make a little shake move while he's catching it. Most young players botch the hell out of that move. Not Blackmon, he's a special return man.

Wish I could say the same about his DB play. His fundamentals there suck. He keeps his hands too low and his footwork is all wrong. Washington couldn't get him straightened out. Let's see if Darren Perry can get Blackmon going.

I guess I read his background wrong and had assumed he was a recent convert to the DBack world. There's even less of an excuse for his problems at DBack.

I am serious that maybe he could be a poor man's Troy Brown. Weak DBack, 7th WR, All-Pro returner.

We could use one of them, couldn't we?